North Lamar school consolidation
Back the Blue

Paris, TX

#43 Feb 25, 2011
pops wrote:
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There is nothing to miss, if you took the total enrollment from all four area high schools then divided that total by 2 you would have two 4A high schools. That was information provided that if you put all four together you would be in 5A. I don't think any of the area schools could accomidate 2400 students so you would have to have the students split between NL and Paris HS at arount 1200 students each. But none of this will happen anytime soon.........If anything ever did happen......I could see one school district with multiple schools run by one administration instead of four. How about NL High School Fr & Soph, Paris High School Jr & Sr classes under one ISD???? I think the schools put together would be competitive in 4A academics, sports, band.....
How is what you are saying any different from my point? It's based on the high schools enrollment, not the enrollment of the district as a whole. The other post indicated that the person thought that whole district would automatically be classified a 4 or 5A. But, that isn't the way it works. Look at larger districts where there are 3 4 and 5A schools all under the same district.
To those that don't think the state will come in an force consolidation - remember the Wilmer Hutchins ISD? When they were short on money they were forced to become part of Dallas ISD. That's been in the last few years.
just imagine

Paris, TX

#44 Feb 25, 2011
I know there's a lot of athletic talent here in our county and if we could combine all of the kids together into one or two ISDs and forget the silly rivalries we would have some consistently good state level competitive teams. As it is though the star players are spread thin amongst the 5 school districts! That's just the athletic side of the coin. A larger consolidated school would = better opportunities for academics, clubs, and field trips too.
pops

Batesville, VA

#45 Feb 25, 2011
Back the Blue wrote:
<quoted text>How is what you are saying any different from my point? It's based on the high schools enrollment, not the enrollment of the district as a whole. The other post indicated that the person thought that whole district would automatically be classified a 4 or 5A. But, that isn't the way it works. Look at larger districts where there are 3 4 and 5A schools all under the same district.
To those that don't think the state will come in an force consolidation - remember the Wilmer Hutchins ISD? When they were short on money they were forced to become part of Dallas ISD. That's been in the last few years.
There are enough students in the 4 area schools, 5 if you count Roxton, to put 1 school into 5A numbers but there is not a school that could hold that many students in Lamar county. As I stated earlier the only way I can see one school, under one ISD, under one administration group, would be to split the schools with one for the Freshman and sophomore classes and one for the junior an senior classes. A 5A school with a North and South campus.
Back the Blue

Paris, TX

#46 Feb 25, 2011
pops wrote:
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There are enough students in the 4 area schools, 5 if you count Roxton, to put 1 school into 5A numbers but there is not a school that could hold that many students in Lamar county. As I stated earlier the only way I can see one school, under one ISD, under one administration group, would be to split the schools with one for the Freshman and sophomore classes and one for the junior an senior classes. A 5A school with a North and South campus.
POPS - we are on the same page but you are thinking I disagree with you. I have said there isn't a high school building in this county that can hold all the high school students. There would still be multiple high schools - we agree. Without building or adding onto one of the existing buildings, there would still be multiple classifications within the county. I also understand your comment about a grade 9/10 campus and a grade 11/12 campus.
I personally like the idea of magnet schools over a grade split, but then again I don't put major importance on what classification. I would love to see us with consistent athletic showings, but that is secondary to academics in my book.
Panther

Paris, TX

#47 Feb 25, 2011
Back the Blue wrote:
<quoted text>Savings on the cost of staff would be likely, but might not be as much as you might think. I would assume that there would still be about the same number of administrators, just not as many superintendents.
Financially the best thing would be that the tax base of the county would be consolidated as well. While one district in our county has at times had to send money to the state during Robin Hood days, others were struggling to get by. So as consolidated tax based divided by the total number of students and each district getting an equal amount per student would help to equalize the investment in each and every child. The way it is now, some students have more tax money spent on them than others. While I understand life isn't fair, these are kids and the future of our nation we are talking about.
Any savings would be good. Equity for the students would be better (tax dollar equity).
yyy

United States

#48 Feb 25, 2011
wow
whatever

Paris, TX

#49 Feb 26, 2011
sports should be of NO concern - the bigger concern should be the number of children "lost" when placed into such a large school, these children have individual personalities, some only thrive & succeed in small groups, you place them in large groups and they fade into the background and become LOST - the possible leaders of tomorrow lost because we wanted to save a few dollars....
You combine all 5 districts into one then you have taken away our freedom of choice - Not very American I would say
pops

Paris, TX

#50 Feb 26, 2011
Back the Blue wrote:
<quoted text>POPS - we are on the same page but you are thinking I disagree with you. I have said there isn't a high school building in this county that can hold all the high school students. There would still be multiple high schools - we agree. Without building or adding onto one of the existing buildings, there would still be multiple classifications within the county. I also understand your comment about a grade 9/10 campus and a grade 11/12 campus.
I personally like the idea of magnet schools over a grade split, but then again I don't put major importance on what classification. I would love to see us with consistent athletic showings, but that is secondary to academics in my book.
I never said I disagreed with you. IF a Paris school was to be 5A splitting the schools by class (Fr/Soph-Jr/Sr) would be the most logical way to do that. I don't have any problem if one of the schools was more focused on academics and one on the trades. I just think there would be a lot more involved to get our education system elevated to the standard to be a true magnet school, regardless of classification. A LOT!!! I'm not just talking about Lamar county schools.......
BBHC

Katy, TX

#51 Feb 26, 2011
whatever wrote:
sports should be of NO concern - the bigger concern should be the number of children "lost" when placed into such a large school, these children have individual personalities, some only thrive & succeed in small groups, you place them in large groups and they fade into the background and become LOST - the possible leaders of tomorrow lost because we wanted to save a few dollars....
You combine all 5 districts into one then you have taken away our freedom of choice - Not very American I would say
Good point. Mega-schools with everything to offer under one roof, except attention to the student. Remember that? Columbine?
whatever

Paris, TX

#52 Feb 26, 2011
thank you for agreeing, it seems many people have forgotten the personal attention students receive in small schools - it's why some of us chose those schools even if they don't offer as many options for class selections

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#53 Feb 26, 2011
BBHC wrote:
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Good point. Mega-schools with everything to offer under one roof, except attention to the student. Remember that? Columbine?
It is silliness to even call Columbine a "mega-school". Columbine High School has an enrollment of 1677 as of 2010. That is far smaller than a lot of schools around the country. What happened there was not because they were a "mega-school". It happened because the boys parents did not want to parent.

Thousands of schools everyday have thousands of students attend everyday without any issues.

People in Paris still think like high school kids and think the world will come to an end if the silly rivalry dies. The problem people who have that attitude is they don't see the forest for the trees. The town and the county are slower shrinking and cannot afford to keep 3 districts within the city boundaries.
OldWhitey

Paris, TX

#54 Feb 26, 2011
whatever wrote:
sports should be of NO concern - the bigger concern should be the number of children "lost" when placed into such a large school, these children have individual personalities, some only thrive & succeed in small groups, you place them in large groups and they fade into the background and become LOST - the possible leaders of tomorrow lost because we wanted to save a few dollars....
You combine all 5 districts into one then you have taken away our freedom of choice - Not very American I would say
School size would remain relatively the same. You would divide each current school district into separate campuses. For example, Paris High would only be Junior/Seniors. North Lamar could be Freshman/Sophmore. You could have two Jr Highs and 4 elementary campuses. You would give students a greater chance to "thrive" with increase activities. Now let me ask one question: Do you see more successful students coming out of small school districts like Chisum/Prariland or from Paris/North Lamar? Which districts produce national merit scholars and have more trade courses?
Back the Blue

Paris, TX

#55 Feb 26, 2011
whatever wrote:
thank you for agreeing, it seems many people have forgotten the personal attention students receive in small schools - it's why some of us chose those schools even if they don't offer as many options for class selections
No one high school building in Lamar County can house the total high school population. There would still be multiple elementary schools, middle or jr high and high schools. The number of schools would likely not change at all or very very little. The key would be the tax base being used to fund all schools rather than split up and portions of the tax base funding this district and another section funding another district. Second to that would be consolidation of administration.
The kids would still get at least as the same amount of personal attention that they get now.
pops

Batesville, VA

#56 Feb 26, 2011
BGMann wrote:
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It is silliness to even call Columbine a "mega-school". Columbine High School has an enrollment of 1677 as of 2010. That is far smaller than a lot of schools around the country. What happened there was not because they were a "mega-school". It happened because the boys parents did not want to parent.
Thousands of schools everyday have thousands of students attend everyday without any issues.
People in Paris still think like high school kids and think the world will come to an end if the silly rivalry dies. The problem people who have that attitude is they don't see the forest for the trees. The town and the county are slower shrinking and cannot afford to keep 3 districts within the city boundaries.
You keep bringing up the rivalries, but I don't see that being brought up by anyone else. New rivalries would be made with other schools. I think the focus is saving costs by consolidating the districts.
I agree with you about Columbine, if school size were the cause Allen with over 5000 students, would have a "Columbine" annually....and that's just not the case..........
Susanne

United States

#57 Feb 26, 2011
bologna wrote:
When pigs fly into a frozen hell
AMEN!!!
LOL

United States

#58 Feb 27, 2011
I know all of you are going on a "What if" situation, but trust me, none of this will happen unless TEA comes in and makes a school fold because of financial or continuous unacceptable ratings. I am very well in the know that Paris is going to be in a lot of trouble with the cuts coming, but get back to reality. They will do fine but will have to suffer some bleeding first.
cash

Clarksville, TX

#59 Feb 27, 2011
teach your own kids no tax dollars
BBHC

Katy, TX

#60 Feb 27, 2011
LOL wrote:
I know all of you are going on a "What if" situation, but trust me, none of this will happen unless TEA comes in and makes a school fold because of financial or continuous unacceptable ratings. I am very well in the know that Paris is going to be in a lot of trouble with the cuts coming, but get back to reality. They will do fine but will have to suffer some bleeding first.
School districts can initiate consolidation on their own. They do not have to wait for TEA to come storming the administration building, though some will wait till that's the only option left. By that time, the "junior" district in the consolidation exercise will not have any leverage over who stays or what buildings are left standing.
WhyNot

United States

#61 Feb 27, 2011
BBHC wrote:
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Another Texas education solution driven by athletics and extracurriculars. Way to go.
My highschool academics has very little to do with my success or lack thereof. The lessons learned on the playing field and the other extracurricular activities have proven to be more important. The size of the stage is important to the actor. I applaud the Paris ISD decision to build the new highschool - we need another one on the north side, combine Paris, NL, Chisum, and Prairieland into two 4A highschools. We elminated a lot of overhead and get to compete at a higher level not only with atheletics and other activities but in academics too.
LOL

United States

#62 Feb 27, 2011
BBHC wrote:
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School districts can initiate consolidation on their own. They do not have to wait for TEA to come storming the administration building, though some will wait till that's the only option left. By that time, the "junior" district in the consolidation exercise will not have any leverage over who stays or what buildings are left standing.
That's what I mean. No two schools in Paris will intiate consolidation. It won't happen. So why is everyone in an uproar? This was started by some idiot that has NO CLUE!

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