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Just Curious

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I have read several articles since Friday's massacre of innocent children and teachers.
Most say there is no link between Autisn, Aspergers and crime but I am not convinced. I know this 5 year old kid who I suspect has autism and he does throw severe temper tantrums. I am concerned for his parents and feel sorry for the child but at the same time I would just like to spank the kid when he acts out.

Do any of you have any firsthand experience with children with Autism?

I do suspect that the recent shooter should have been in an institution for treatment.
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Please do not think that every child with Autism is a raving maniac. They are not! My best friends son has Autism. He did not ask for this - no child asks for a disability especially not a disability with so much unknown information linked to it. Spend a day with a child with Autism, I guarantee that you will come home wishing you could get in his/her brain just to see how and why he sees life like he does.

A child or adult with Autism needs nothing but scheduled structure and this child you see who may just need a spanking may have never had the strict up bringing he needed. A spanking may never work with him. Feel for the parent, they struggle with it 24/7. It's a challenge and a parent who can make a day or minute in a day successful for a child with Autism deserves many kudos. Many parents with a child like this may not even be able to hold down a job as this consumes all their every waking moment. My friend loves her son unconditionally and her son hung the moon in her eyes. I love her for her patience and card she gives her child.

We will never know why the boy in Conn snapped like he did. His first victim was probably the only one who did. It's sad he took it out on innocent children. A day parents will never forget.

I beg of you, do not hold it in your mind that any child with special needs will one day just 'snap'. They have enough challenges in their lives as it is.
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Card should have been CARE. could not correct in original post.
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Ok just round up all the autistic kids you know what we gotta do. Hey in Nazi germany they first took all the guns then they euthanized all the mental cases, deviants, homosexuals and anybody else deemed unfit
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Hate idiots wrote:
Please do not think that every child with Autism is a raving maniac. They are not! My best friends son has Autism. He did not ask for this - no child asks for a disability especially not a disability with so much unknown information linked to it. Spend a day with a child with Autism, I guarantee that you will come home wishing you could get in his/her brain just to see how and why he sees life like he does.
A child or adult with Autism needs nothing but scheduled structure and this child you see who may just need a spanking may have never had the strict up bringing he needed. A spanking may never work with him. Feel for the parent, they struggle with it 24/7. It's a challenge and a parent who can make a day or minute in a day successful for a child with Autism deserves many kudos. Many parents with a child like this may not even be able to hold down a job as this consumes all their every waking moment. My friend loves her son unconditionally and her son hung the moon in her eyes. I love her for her patience and card she gives her child.
We will never know why the boy in Conn snapped like he did. His first victim was probably the only one who did. It's sad he took it out on innocent children. A day parents will never forget.
I beg of you, do not hold it in your mind that any child with special needs will one day just 'snap'. They have enough challenges in their lives as it is.
f you will go back and read my comments carefully you will see that I said I have sympathy for the child and concern for the parents. I do not " hold it in my mind " that any child with special needs will " snap". I also know this young man who is about 35 now and has a mental illness. This child is one of the most loving and peaceful individuals I have ever known. He is truly an angel on earth. He is as close to an angel on this earth as is possible. My comments about spanking the other child is no more than that. I would never spank any child but sometimes this child behaves so badly that time out is just not enough, and I start thinking I would like to paddle him.( of course, I couldnt or wouldnt ) but he can push people to the brink. These are the only two people I know with a mental illness and the difference between the two is astonishing.
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Just Curious wrote:
<quoted text>f you will go back and read my comments carefully you will see that I said I have sympathy for the child and concern for the parents. I do not " hold it in my mind " that any child with special needs will " snap". I also know this young man who is about 35 now and has a mental illness. This child is one of the most loving and peaceful individuals I have ever known. He is truly an angel on earth. He is as close to an angel on this earth as is possible. My comments about spanking the other child is no more than that. I would never spank any child but sometimes this child behaves so badly that time out is just not enough, and I start thinking I would like to paddle him.( of course, I couldnt or wouldnt ) but he can push people to the brink. These are the only two people I know with a mental illness and the difference between the two is astonishing.
You also said that you have read several articles about no link between Autism and crime and you are not convinced. My fear is that the idiot who posted after me said let's round them all up. This is truly a troubled world and we should help one another, and not be foolish. I was not trying to come across as a person who was ready to start a fight with you but your comment about crime really hit a nerve. I fear that people will just do that - associate the two. I know several kids with varying mental issues, as I have done rispite care - no two mental issues are the same. There are just so many under lying issues these kids deal with, it's heart wrenching. Then, with many, factor in medication etc., if that child you know is on any meds for his mood swings? Meds do not solve any problem, but when a child is so out of bounds and just can not pull himself back in, that may be the answer. Also, some parents will not, under any circumstance, admit their child has Autism. Since there are no 'real' physical differences between a 'normal' kid and an Autistic child. My daughter started Kinder with a boy who was Autistic. His father said the child was normal, and as a child he acted the same way and his dad just took him and spanked him and fixed him. Sadly, there is no fix for Autism.
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Would you pleas post the articles between Autism and crime.

I'm certainly not convinced. There is no link between autism and crime.
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A frind of mine was misdiagnosed with Aspergers. The link between that and an emotional traumatic experience is so similar it is unreal.
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This is about the most stupid thread I have ever seen in my life.

Aspergers and Autisim are more likely to be victimized than to victimize.
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If a child is autistic, spanking them is not going to help. Severe temper tantrums don't mean a child is autistic. Stop trying to diagnose people's kids with autism because they throw fits.
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Hate idiots wrote:
Please do not think that every child with Autism is a raving maniac. They are not! My best friends son has Autism. He did not ask for this - no child asks for a disability especially not a disability with so much unknown information linked to it. Spend a day with a child with Autism, I guarantee that you will come home wishing you could get in his/her brain just to see how and why he sees life like he does.

A child or adult with Autism needs nothing but scheduled structure and this child you see who may just need a spanking may have never had the strict up bringing he needed. A spanking may never work with him. Feel for the parent, they struggle with it 24/7. It's a challenge and a parent who can make a day or minute in a day successful for a child with Autism deserves many kudos. Many parents with a child like this may not even be able to hold down a job as this consumes all their every waking moment. My friend loves her son unconditionally and her son hung the moon in her eyes. I love her for her patience and card she gives her child.

We will never know why the boy in Conn snapped like he did. His first victim was probably the only one who did. It's sad he took it out on innocent children. A day parents will never forget.

I beg of you, do not hold it in your mind that any child with special needs will one day just 'snap'. They have enough challenges in their lives as it is.
How do you know they won't snap???
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How do you know they won't snap???
Anyone can 'snap'.
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Aspberger's/Autism are NOT mental illnesses! A mental illness would be schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar. Please educate yourself on the difference.
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I'm sick to death of everyone trying to say that there is something wrong with so many little kids. MOST of them are just immature and lack structure. they may throw a fit....Autism? Hardly. They may not communicate well, so diagnose them with Autism? NO! Stop the labeling. Give them time to mature and give them structure and security.
If you want to know what's wrong with the kids, then look in their homes. Shocking.
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How do you know they won't snap???
Dang, there is an inflammation of the idiots on here. How do you know you won't snap?
How do you know someone getting a divorce won't snap? How do you know that anyone that is frustrated won't snap....which is the problem with the tantrums of Autism.
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Former teacher wrote:
I'm sick to death of everyone trying to say that there is something wrong with so many little kids. MOST of them are just immature and lack structure. they may throw a fit....Autism? Hardly. They may not communicate well, so diagnose them with Autism? NO! Stop the labeling. Give them time to mature and give them structure and security.
If you want to know what's wrong with the kids, then look in their homes. Shocking.
I agree with stopping the labeling part for sure.

I agree with the security part too. I wonder how many of these kids that were diagnosed with Autism had some sort of trauma in their life that would explain it better. I know for one adult that was diagnosed with Autism, who had some huge traumas in his childhood, I think they missed the boat.

He doesn't trust people, therefore he has a difficult time making meaninful relationships and connections. When you can't trust your parents to do what is best for you, who can you trust?
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Aspberger's/Autism are NOT mental illnesses! A mental illness would be schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar. Please educate yourself on the difference.
It is a mental disorder. It is dianosed by criteria in the DSM.
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Mental Disorders:

Alzheimers Disease ,Anxiety ,Asperger Syndrome, Attention Deficit Disorder,ADHD,Autism,Bipolar,B orderline Personality Disorder,Dementia,Depression,I nsomnia,Mood Disorders,Obsessive Compulsive Disorder,Oppositional Defiant Disorder,Paranoid Personality Disorder,Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,Postpartum Depression,Schizophrenia.

Aspergers and Autism are indeed classified as mental disorders.

Sticking our heads in the sand and refusing to recognize it could be part of the problem.
Nobody has a problem calling , for instance, Alzheimers a mental disorder, yet they refuse to call Autism and Aspergers a mental disorder.

it is my personal opinion that they are both a mental disorder and have been associated with some degree of violence. Especially in teens and young adults. Facing a problem head on is much more admirable and beneficial to the individuals than refusing to call it what it is. As with any health condition, there are degrees of severity.

BTW- it does appear that Aspergers and crime was clearly related in last Fridays massacre. He had Aspergers, he was extremely violent and committed the most horrific, evil upon innocent children in American history. I suspect if he had not had Aspergers, he maybe could have controlled his violent rage better.

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