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Keystone Oil Pipeline versus a Texas Farmer

There are 22 comments on the WUNC-FM Chapel Hill story from Sep 17, 2012, titled Keystone Oil Pipeline versus a Texas Farmer. In it, WUNC-FM Chapel Hill reports that:

Julia Trigg Crawford says she is not against the oil industry, but she is worried about the plans to move oil from Canada's tar sands across her farm near Paris, Texas.

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Mr lacy

United States

#1 Sep 19, 2012
That pipeline crap is a joke coming through Paris TX. Reason why I think it is a joke is because they want 803.00 dollars to get a stupid union card and handbook and it still doesn't guarantee you a job. I feel if anybody should have first options it should have been the locals. Something should really be done about this ASAP stand up Paris TX.

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lmao

Paris, TX

#2 Sep 19, 2012
Mr lacy wrote:
That pipeline crap is a joke coming through Paris TX. Reason why I think it is a joke is because they want 803.00 dollars to get a stupid union card and handbook and it still doesn't guarantee you a job. I feel if anybody should have first options it should have been the locals. Something should really be done about this ASAP stand up Paris TX.
Ya'll wanted the pipeline you've got the pipeline quit your whining. Go get your card and handbook and get to work. If you got the knowledge and experience and you're willing to work hard they'll hire you.

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busted rubber

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#3 Sep 19, 2012
Why can't she still farm the land? The once the pipeline is covered up she can plant whatever she likes on top of it.

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Unanimously

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#4 Sep 23, 2012
What is the Trans American Pipeline that is to go threw the North part of Mont Pleasant?
YELLOW TIRE BICYCLES

Azle, TX

#5 Sep 24, 2012
i understand that the pipeline is going to destroy the indian mounds on her place. it does look like they could move it over some.
heartandmind

Europe

#6 Sep 24, 2012
i thought in texas you didn't have to have be a member of the union to work? wouldn't state law over-ride the company's agreements with unions?

it still bothers me that a person can't control what happens to their land. and folks complain about HOA's? this situation is even worse - when people bought or inherited the land, they didn't sign anything agreeing to allow their property to be used for anything other than what they bought it for. whatever happened to a landowner's rights in texas? or is that just an empty phrase now-a-days?

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FYI

United States

#7 Sep 24, 2012
heartandmind wrote:
whatever happened to a landowner's rights in texas? or is that just an empty phrase now-a-days?
Nowadays? Try:

The US Constitution was adopted in 1787 effective 1789. Fifth Amendment ratified 1791; "...nor shall private property be taken [eminent domain] for public use, without just compensation."

The Texas Constitution of 1876 includes Art. 1 Section 17 relating to eminent domain. The provision was last amended in 2009. http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/pubsconamend/const...
Earl

Duncanville, TX

#8 Sep 24, 2012
I do not know what you Lamar County folks are crying about....this is what you wanted.

Sara Palin supports it:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1336699836001/...

Rick Perry supports it:
http://libertyslifeline.com/2012/02/12/rick-p...

Mitt Romney supports it:
http://thehill.com/video/campaign/222883-romn...

Rick Santorum supports it:
http://newhampshireprimary.blogspot.com/2012/...

Rush Limbaugh supports it:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/11/...

Glenn Beck supports it:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/04/17/how-do-wa...

You guys support these guys. You guys agree with these guys. They are your ideological leaders. Well then, support them.

Quit crying, quit acting like victims.

You wanted it, you got it. I do not see the problem.

Unless, of course, you disagree with the above good folk.
Dopey

Paris, TX

#9 Sep 24, 2012
Earl wrote:
I do not know what you Lamar County folks are crying about....this is what you wanted.
Sara Palin supports it:
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1336699836001/...
Rick Perry supports it:
http://libertyslifeline.com/2012/02/12/rick-p...
Mitt Romney supports it:
http://thehill.com/video/campaign/222883-romn...
Rick Santorum supports it:
http://newhampshireprimary.blogspot.com/2012/...
Rush Limbaugh supports it:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/11/...
Glenn Beck supports it:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/04/17/how-do-wa...
You guys support these guys. You guys agree with these guys. They are your ideological leaders. Well then, support them.
Quit crying, quit acting like victims.
You wanted it, you got it. I do not see the problem.
Unless, of course, you disagree with the above good folk.
Add Pres Obama to that list.
Not really

United States

#10 Sep 24, 2012
I want it

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pipeliner

Paris, TX

#11 Sep 25, 2012
Sorry to hear you poor folks are so upset; I really am but here's something to think on. This pipeline is being built by uniun employees ust as most all other pipelines are. A previous comenter posted the buying of a union card still did not guarantee a job, and yes he is exactly right. The other side of that coin is alot of other pipeliners from all across the country that do this full time for a living didn't get hired on this line either s they went to other projects.
ou local people are crying foul but your the ones wnting your cake and pie and eat em both. You want to just buy a card and get to work here at home and its all good. Try living across the country and not seeing your wife and kids but maybe 20 or 30 days a year then tell us about fair. Its a life. You want in buy in and go to workwhere you can just like us.
One more thing. We do help your local economy greatly. Just look at the hotels or the camp grounds. Go to wal mart in the evenings. Look at the cafes. This all has an impact on your town.
I would love to pipeline at home but it just doesnt work that way. Hope you can try to understand our side and then give it some thought. This may be the life for you too, maybe not. Good luck whatever you guys ( locals that think the hiring practices is unfair ) decide.

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Hahh

Caddo Mills, TX

#12 Sep 26, 2012
pipeliner wrote:
Sorry to hear you poor folks are so upset; I really am but here's something to think on. This pipeline is being built by uniun employees ust as most all other pipelines are. A previous comenter posted the buying of a union card still did not guarantee a job, and yes he is exactly right. The other side of that coin is alot of other pipeliners from all across the country that do this full time for a living didn't get hired on this line either s they went to other projects.
ou local people are crying foul but your the ones wnting your cake and pie and eat em both. You want to just buy a card and get to work here at home and its all good. Try living across the country and not seeing your wife and kids but maybe 20 or 30 days a year then tell us about fair. Its a life. You want in buy in and go to workwhere you can just like us.
One more thing. We do help your local economy greatly. Just look at the hotels or the camp grounds. Go to wal mart in the evenings. Look at the cafes. This all has an impact on your town.
I would love to pipeline at home but it just doesnt work that way. Hope you can try to understand our side and then give it some thought. This may be the life for you too, maybe not. Good luck whatever you guys ( locals that think the hiring practices is unfair ) decide.
Unions have destroyed the "working class" of America because of their greed and corruption. Try to find an honest union delegate, that's like trying to find an honest politician.
busted rubber

United States

#13 Sep 26, 2012
heartandmind wrote:
i thought in texas you didn't have to have be a member of the union to work? wouldn't state law over-ride the company's agreements with unions?
it still bothers me that a person can't control what happens to their land. and folks complain about HOA's? this situation is even worse - when people bought or inherited the land, they didn't sign anything agreeing to allow their property to be used for anything other than what they bought it for. whatever happened to a landowner's rights in texas? or is that just an empty phrase now-a-days?
How deep do you think you own that land?

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busted rubber

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#14 Sep 26, 2012
Besides the land owners are being well compensated for their troubles. Hell for the amount of money they are giving them I would let em run a pipe line under my house!

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unknown

Severn, Canada

#15 Oct 1, 2012
busted rubber wrote:
Why can't she still farm the land? The once the pipeline is covered up she can plant whatever she likes on top of it.
-> Oil pipelines are generally situated above ground. That be if for any reason the pipeline leaks and needs to be immediately fixed it can be reached with convince. The insulation of the pipeline would take away from much of the farming due to the building process of the pipeline. With that said, how would you feel if your grass was destroyed by heavy machinery and you couldn't replant it for another year or so. When you put yourself in others shoes, especially when there is a profit made from the crops, it changes things a bit.
Info

Caddo Mills, TX

#16 Oct 1, 2012
unknown wrote:
<quoted text>
-> Oil pipelines are generally situated above ground. That be if for any reason the pipeline leaks and needs to be immediately fixed it can be reached with convince. The insulation of the pipeline would take away from much of the farming due to the building process of the pipeline. With that said, how would you feel if your grass was destroyed by heavy machinery and you couldn't replant it for another year or so. When you put yourself in others shoes, especially when there is a profit made from the crops, it changes things a bit.
In addition to that for 50ft on each side of the pipeline the landowner has no say in its future use, cannot build or do anything with it other than mow it and pay taxes on it. So basically the landowners lose a 100ft wide swath of land without their permission, and are "compensated" a trivial amount in return for a CORPORATION making billions of dollars off the scheme.
NOTE- corporation, this is not a waterway or something for the betterment of the local community, but a foreign corporation that is using imminent domain in their favor because they have the money to pay off the judges who rule on the issue. Coal companies, power companies, etc are doing the same thing. Nobody actually owns land anymore, we just pay (taxes) for the priviledge of maintaining the property, or else it's taken away from you.
Yes there are old Caddoan Indian sites on the land in question, but they have been excavated back in the early 1900s and hunted ever since then by amateur archaeologists, and they have been farmed and bulldozed around for as long as that also, so they have no anthropologic value anymore, but plenty of other places along the pipelines route have not been discovered or excavated.
lmao

Paris, TX

#17 Oct 1, 2012
Info wrote:
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In addition to that for 50ft on each side of the pipeline the landowner has no say in its future use, cannot build or do anything with it other than mow it and pay taxes on it. So basically the landowners lose a 100ft wide swath of land without their permission, and are "compensated" a trivial amount in return for a CORPORATION making billions of dollars off the scheme.
NOTE- corporation, this is not a waterway or something for the betterment of the local community, but a foreign corporation that is using imminent domain in their favor because they have the money to pay off the judges who rule on the issue. Coal companies, power companies, etc are doing the same thing. Nobody actually owns land anymore, we just pay (taxes) for the priviledge of maintaining the property, or else it's taken away from you.
Yes there are old Caddoan Indian sites on the land in question, but they have been excavated back in the early 1900s and hunted ever since then by amateur archaeologists, and they have been farmed and bulldozed around for as long as that also, so they have no anthropologic value anymore, but plenty of other places along the pipelines route have not been discovered or excavated.
"Drill baby Drill"

“2nd Amendment insures the rest”

Since: Apr 08

Texas

#18 Oct 2, 2012
Mr lacy wrote:
That pipeline crap is a joke coming through Paris TX. Reason why I think it is a joke is because they want 803.00 dollars to get a stupid union card and handbook and it still doesn't guarantee you a job. I feel if anybody should have first options it should have been the locals. Something should really be done about this ASAP stand up Paris TX.
What does this have to do withthe Forum topic?

“2nd Amendment insures the rest”

Since: Apr 08

Texas

#19 Oct 2, 2012
unknown wrote:
<quoted text>
-> Oil pipelines are generally situated above ground. That be if for any reason the pipeline leaks and needs to be immediately fixed it can be reached with convince. The insulation of the pipeline would take away from much of the farming due to the building process of the pipeline. With that said, how would you feel if your grass was destroyed by heavy machinery and you couldn't replant it for another year or so. When you put yourself in others shoes, especially when there is a profit made from the crops, it changes things a bit.
FYI; here in Texas the the pipe lines are underground unlike Canada and Alaska. Once the line is in, the land is back in opperation. No one should be remotely interested in building on top of any kind of a pipe line including a water or sewer line.

Generaly the landowner will receive surface damage funds in addition.

“2nd Amendment insures the rest”

Since: Apr 08

Texas

#20 Oct 2, 2012
busted rubber wrote:
Why can't she still farm the land? The once the pipeline is covered up she can plant whatever she likes on top of it.
The land owner has full use the land for pasture or crop production once the line is installed.

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