cops speeding down main st more off a...

cops speeding down main st more off a risk than a help?

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SydC

Georgetown, KY

#1 Nov 3, 2009
I moved back to Paris about 4 yrs ago and bought a place intown. My son likes to play in the front yard. However on more than one occasion I have seen Paris Police fly down Main St with their lights on hauling ass to some citizen in distress? Actually 9 times out of 10 they are just “hauling ass” to back up another officer in a routine traffic citation. This is a huge danger to everyone. The danger of one does not constitute putting the public as a whole in danger. Should one of these officers lose control of their vehicle on Main they would undoubtedly hurt, seriously injure or possibly even kill an innocent human being? Let’s face it there is no reason what so ever for ANYONE to be doing 80 down Main, Cop or not. People walking on the sidewalks, enjoying their front yards, porches are all at risk. Better yet what if you just happen to be one of the vehicles an officer feels he can pass doing 80 around the Woodford spears building area? Should they be just 12 inches off either way your dead! Someone is going to get hurt. There is no excuse! The danger of one does not constitute putting the mass danger of others at risk!!! WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
Law abiding citizen

Doniphan, MO

#2 Nov 4, 2009
the state cops are even worse. We were traveling towards Paris last week, a ksp did a u turn in the appropriate turn around area, appeared to be in no particular hurry. About a mile past that he came flying up behind the car that was passing me, we were doing 60 or so, and literally forced the car over into my lane into a situation that most drivers would not have handled as well as he did, on he went with no lights or siren at what had to be a minimum of 90mph to pull over a truck that had been driving along about a mile in front of us. Now I am under the impression that since he was not running emergency equipment had he caused the driver of the red car that almost hit me to wreck he would certainly been liable, right?
Oh, and to the guy with the truck he pulled over, I wish I had pulled off and waited for you, you will be better served to fight the ticket with an unbiased witness in your corner( me).
PKY Citizen

Lexington, KY

#3 Nov 4, 2009
SydC wrote:
I moved back to Paris about 4 yrs ago and bought a place intown. My son likes to play in the front yard. However on more than one occasion I have seen Paris Police fly down Main St with their lights on hauling ass to some citizen in distress? Actually 9 times out of 10 they are just “hauling ass” to back up another officer in a routine traffic citation. This is a huge danger to everyone. The danger of one does not constitute putting the public as a whole in danger. Should one of these officers lose control of their vehicle on Main they would undoubtedly hurt, seriously injure or possibly even kill an innocent human being? Let’s face it there is no reason what so ever for ANYONE to be doing 80 down Main, Cop or not. People walking on the sidewalks, enjoying their front yards, porches are all at risk. Better yet what if you just happen to be one of the vehicles an officer feels he can pass doing 80 around the Woodford spears building area? Should they be just 12 inches off either way your dead! Someone is going to get hurt. There is no excuse! The danger of one does not constitute putting the mass danger of others at risk!!! WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
I agree 100%. There is NO reason for the PPD (or anyone) to be driving that fast on Main Street or any residential area. But, be ready for the backlash....this message board will soon be flooded with messages like:

- You should only hope that the PPD will respond as quickly when you are in distress.

- How they put their lives on teh line every day for US.

- How ungrateful WE (Joe Public) are and how we don't "get it".

...so on and so forth........the problem is that many (not all) of the officers think the badge gives them the right to do whatever they want.

SydC

Georgetown, KY

#5 Nov 4, 2009
I agree that PPD puts their lives in harms way everyday for the public. However However I also served in our nations military and know the dangers of field combat. A smart operator does not put others at risk even durring a mission if it can be avoided. I am not downing the PPD. Just asking that they use a more caution. You know if the lost control goning that fast on parts of Main they could literally end up in someones home! I support the PPD and our Military. They do not get paid enough to do the job they do. WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?
tooter

Lexington, KY

#6 Nov 4, 2009
How many times have the paris police lost control speeding down main street and hurt an innocent bystander in the past 50 years?
Lol

United States

#7 Nov 4, 2009
tooter wrote:
How many times have the paris police lost control speeding down main street and hurt an innocent bystander in the past 50 years?
exactly. I bet the ratio of miles they drive in comparison to at fault accidents. Is far less then the average citizen or illegal immigrants. And the conditions they are forced to drive in, makes this a remarkable figure
tweeter

Anderson, SC

#8 Nov 4, 2009
tooter wrote:
How many times have the paris police lost control speeding down main street and hurt an innocent bystander in the past 50 years?
None in at least the last 12-years that I know of....
but thats ok

Flemingsburg, KY

#9 Nov 4, 2009
tweeter wrote:
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None in at least the last 12-years that I know of....
There is always a first time. I see them also I sure do hope they are going to an emergency call hate to think they may kill an innocent person for no reason. But then to hear them they do not speed down the main street???
but thats ok

Flemingsburg, KY

#10 Nov 4, 2009
Lol wrote:
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exactly. I bet the ratio of miles they drive in comparison to at fault accidents. Is far less then the average citizen or illegal immigrants. And the conditions they are forced to drive in, makes this a remarkable figure
And when dose the public hear of any accidents they cause, I doubt it would be in the newspaper.
Remember

Middleville, MI

#11 Nov 5, 2009
Don't forget about the big crash out on the bypass several years back when the two units were allegedly racing. We had the one deputy who was hurt running the sanitation department up until he was fired for racial comments. One of the PPD officers was given a job as a buyer or was to get government surplus donated until he was let go for some alleged impropriety.
boots

Milwaukee, WI

#12 Nov 5, 2009
phil hutchison ran the dump, but he wasn't fired for racial blah.
PKY Citizen

Lexington, KY

#13 Nov 5, 2009
tooter wrote:
How many times have the paris police lost control speeding down main street and hurt an innocent bystander in the past 50 years?
I can think of 3 times. One was already mentioned. But, THAT isn't the point. What they are doing is DANGEROUS!!! The public shoudl not have to wait until something happens to be concerned about it.
Lol

United States

#14 Nov 5, 2009
PKY Citizen wrote:
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I can think of 3 times. One was already mentioned. But, THAT isn't the point. What they are doing is DANGEROUS!!! The public shoudl not have to wait until something happens to be concerned about it.
I could not agree more. It's very dangerous. Imagine having to drve like that on a consistent basis. Putting ur life on the line everyday for people you don't know and those same people who could care less about these officers. Then they get on here and bash the PPD for doing what they are obligated, trained, and paid to do. Little pay at that. You people jump to accusations before knowing the facts. Of course this is Paris right, nothing dangerous happens. But just in the last 30 days we have had officers shot at and a murder. These officers have family and friends in the downtown area as well. Here is an idea: instead of coming down so hard on PPD, focus ur frustration on the powers to be who can administer justice to the people that cause the calls for emergency service. Hmmm. I have done a few ride alongside and can confirm that most officers do not like having to drive fast most of the time. But are required to do so. It may be ur son daughter or loved one who is getting their ass kicked and need some help.
Noticed

Flemingsburg, KY

#15 Nov 5, 2009
Lol wrote:
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exactly. I bet the ratio of miles they drive in comparison to at fault accidents. Is far less then the average citizen or illegal immigrants. And the conditions they are forced to drive in, makes this a remarkable figure
Even if there was one life lost in 50 years that is still a life lost a family changed forever! Why risk it!
SydC

Georgetown, KY

#16 Nov 5, 2009
Lo L --- I agree they do not get aneough praise or pay for what they do. However your just getting angry and not looking at both sided of the issue. No I do not know they percentages of PPD involved accidents, do you? Better yet... What is the percentages on the near missed or caused accident by civilians freaking out when a PPD comes flying up behind them doing 80? Granted PPD does have training and it is there job, however the general public does not and the do not handle the situation well at all. Point blank thers should be NO speeding down Main or any or our residential areas. As far as if it were my family members, Yes of course I would want help as soon as possible. However not if it ment the possible negative intereaction of a citizen along the way. This is not a bash the PPD Blog. This is an adult conversation about a very serious issue. So do you have those percentages?
SydC

Georgetown, KY

#17 Nov 5, 2009
LOl Better yet, what about the effect of just one accident. The people both officer and civilian that it would touch? What are the percentages on that? You loook at it as just one accident, however it will touch and effect many more lives than that. A Captain once told me " Its damn near impossible to condcut a mission and to evaluate the possible losses when you can not predict the strength or weakness of the enemy."
Lol

United States

#18 Nov 5, 2009
SydC wrote:
Lo L --- I agree they do not get aneough praise or pay for what they do. However your just getting angry and not looking at both sided of the issue. No I do not know they percentages of PPD involved accidents, do you? Better yet... What is the percentages on the near missed or caused accident by civilians freaking out when a PPD comes flying up behind them doing 80? Granted PPD does have training and it is there job, however the general public does not and the do not handle the situation well at all. Point blank thers should be NO speeding down Main or any or our residential areas. As far as if it were my family members, Yes of
course I would want help as soon as possible. However not if it men
the possible negative intereaction of a citizen along the way. This is
not a bash the PPD Blog. This is an adult conversation about a very
serious issue. So do you have those percentages?
wow. Ok. First I don't know exact percentages. However it in open records. I just know that most of police officers accidents are a result of other drivers. You talk about the general public not knowing what to do. Well there is this publication out that tells people what to do. It's called the Kentucky drivers manual. Hmm. Pretty sure that is discussed in there. You said no speeding on main or residential streets. Well that's poses a problem. How can police respond to a emergency call poking along behind people who are just out and about. Listen the police face danger. This is part of it. It's unfortunately a evil necessity that comes along with having a police that take an oath to protect. Can u figure a way so all cars between the officers location and the destination of a call will be notified so they can just pull over and wait till he officer comes thru traveling at the posted speed limit. And what about ambulance and fire trucks. Should they not speed too. Hmm. Nobody has anproblem with them. Maybe cause they don't have to arrest ppl.
SydC

Georgetown, KY

#19 Nov 5, 2009
LOL I agree, they do face danger. However doing 80 down main st is not worth putting themselves and others in danger. As far as the manual, when was the last time you, myslef or anyone else actually red it? Of course officers need to drive above the limit sometimes, however the current judgment being used is causing more of a danger than a benefit. Below is a table that puts the facts into a mathmatical formula.
From eye to brain to foot to wheel to road

MPH Thinking Distance Braking Distance Total feet and time
25 27 ft. 34.7 ft. 61.7 ft.(1.07 seconds)
35 38 ft. 68 ft. 106 ft.(2.1 seconds)
45 49 ft. 112.5 ft. 161.5 (2.4 seconds)
55 60 ft. 168 ft. 228 (2.8 seconds)
65 71 ft. 234.7 ft. 305.7 (3.2 seconds)

So just at 65 mph your thinking distance is just 71 ft, braking distance is 305 ft( to come to a stop) which under "perfect conditions" non wet pavement etc it will take roughly 3.2 seconds...AT BEST!
Do you or anyone want to be in a vehicle anywhere near someone trying to slow from those speeds on any street in that confined of an area? Not to mention the force or inertia of another vehicle? Basically the kinetic energy is roughly 4 times that of the speed if you are sitting still. Does not sound so good does it? Again not saying the PPD should not be doing their job, just the risk is two high. What is the greater good?
SydC

Georgetown, KY

#20 Nov 5, 2009
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/departments/nrd-...

This is the only info I could find without combing throught the records. However it is not that indepth.
tweeter

Anderson, SC

#21 Nov 5, 2009
Ok, the figure of "80 mph" keeps being brought up. Does someone out there have a radar so that you know EXACTLY how fast they are going down Main Street or any other street for that matter?

I understand the point you're trying to make, but unless you have clocked them on radar, you could be seriously over-estimating their speed. Going down Main Street even 40 or 50 will seem a lot faster than it actually is from a bystander's point of view.

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