Edgar County Sheriff Committee Meeting
Just Sayin

Indianapolis, IN

#42 Aug 29, 2011
Elmer Fudd wrote:
Just Sayin'......you sure are one angry female dog.
So let me get this right Elmer. Kirk Allen, John Kraft and company can create a website for the purposes of spreading tea party propoganda, but when I offer a counter argument, I'm an angry female dog? I love it when the chauvinists come out to play!
Get It Right

Danville, IL

#43 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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Nanette is an employee of The Edgar County 911 Board - not the County. Her pay and benefits are determined by the 911 Board. I appreciate the watchdog group, but please research your facts and keep your credibility intact.
Really? Then please explain how Nanette Crippes is the only person in the county employment that has FREE health Insurance, FREE Vision care, FREE Dental,FREE Vehicle,$200 a month for fuel, FREE cell phone and over $48,000.00 a year salary and a BONUS of $50 for every 911 meeting she attends, which by the way, THEY ONLY HAVE EVERY OTHER MONTH YET SHE GEST THIS BONUS MONTHLY! That amounts to an extra $300.00 a year for doing NOTHING and that has been going on since 2006 when they switched to meeting every other month. Schedule changed but her bonus sure didnt follow the change!
Please, tell us about this county policy. Like the one that county employees only get $.20 a mile reimbursmenet for fuel, or the one that requires them to pay for a portion of their health care and I may be wrong, but I dont know of any other county employees outside of law enforcement that get a free cell phone package, assuming those guys even do.
Yes, please tell us about this county policy as we are all dying to know what it is and who it applies to!
I have asked for a copy of it and no one seems to have a copy.
Nanette is an employee of The Edgar County 911 Board - not the County. Her pay and benefits are determined by the 911 Board. I appreciate the watchdog group, but please research your facts and keep your credibility intact.

Since: Jul 10

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#44 Aug 29, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
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So let me get this right Elmer. Kirk Allen, John Kraft and company can create a website for the purposes of spreading tea party propoganda, but when I offer a counter argument, I'm an angry female dog? I love it when the chauvinists come out to play!
I had NOTHING to do with setting up ANY web site!

Since: Jul 10

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#45 Aug 29, 2011
Get It Right wrote:
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Nanette is an employee of The Edgar County 911 Board - not the County. Her pay and benefits are determined by the 911 Board. I appreciate the watchdog group, but please research your facts and keep your credibility intact.
Thats like saying the people who work for the highway department dont work for the county becuase the highway department determines their pay and beneifts.

They are all paid by the Edgar County Treasure! They are ALL employees of this county. Just becuase we have divisions of county goverment making hiring descision doesnt mean they dont work for the county.

PS: Facts Researched!

Since: Jul 10

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#46 Aug 29, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
Just finished catching up with the Edgar County Watch Dogs website and I noticed a new video used at Sheriff Motley's Crisman town hall. What a lovely piece of propaganda. I wonder how many of my tax payer dollars were used to create the smooth video edit and jazzy background music?
None! So whats your next complaint?
Just Sayin

Indianapolis, IN

#47 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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I had NOTHING to do with setting up ANY web site!
Well, that's funny because when I visit edgarcountywatchdogs.com your name is ALL over the place. Also you salivate to let Topix readers know when an update has been made.

Founded 2011 We are a group of concerned citizens. Our purpose is to foster accountability, truth, and transparency in our local governing bodies.
Current Contributors: Chuck Hand Kirk Allen John Kraft Doyle Rhoads
Just Sayin

Indianapolis, IN

#48 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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None! So whats your next complaint?
So, it was made by the "friends" of Ed Motley then? Loud and proud his picture, name and title is the first slide of the video clip. Looks to me like he must of made it on the taxpayers time & dime.

Those are secured areas. How did the "private party" go about getting permission to film and how did it come about that Motley used it at his public meeting? Just curious. I'm interested to know how one might go about scheduling a tour. Are those offered on Sundays from 1-3pm?
Im Listening

United States

#49 Aug 29, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
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So, it was made by the "friends" of Ed Motley then? Loud and proud his picture, name and title is the first slide of the video clip. Looks to me like he must of made it on the taxpayers time & dime.
Those are secured areas. How did the "private party" go about getting permission to film and how did it come about that Motley used it at his public meeting? Just curious. I'm interested to know how one might go about scheduling a tour. Are those offered on Sundays from 1-3pm?
Why don't you attack what the video is showing instead of worrying to taped it. I'm sorry but after watching the video I was no longer hungry. I'm sure Channel 10 would come over and film it for no charge? If that will make you happy I will gladly call them!

Since: Jul 10

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#50 Aug 29, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
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Well, that's funny because when I visit edgarcountywatchdogs.com your name is ALL over the place. Also you salivate to let Topix readers know when an update has been made.
Founded 2011 We are a group of concerned citizens. Our purpose is to foster accountability, truth, and transparency in our local governing bodies.
Current Contributors: Chuck Hand Kirk Allen John Kraft Doyle Rhoads
Another example of how stupi you look when you make assumptions.

CURRENT CONTRIBUTOR! I recieved an email letting me know about the site and was told they would post fact based documents pertaining to local government.

Since: Jul 10

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#51 Aug 29, 2011
Sorry, STUPID!

Since: Jul 10

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#52 Aug 29, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
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So, it was made by the "friends" of Ed Motley then? Loud and proud his picture, name and title is the first slide of the video clip. Looks to me like he must of made it on the taxpayers time & dime.
Those are secured areas. How did the "private party" go about getting permission to film and how did it come about that Motley used it at his public meeting? Just curious. I'm interested to know how one might go about scheduling a tour. Are those offered on Sundays from 1-3pm?
Again, another well thought out complaint. First your complaint was about the use of tax dollars. Now its who made the video. What difference does it make as to who made the video? It wasnt done with your money so get over it.

You are right, secured areas that belong to the public. It was taken in order to expose how bad things have gotten over the last 25 years and he presented it to people in an effort to get volunterrs to help clean it up because the county is broke. So broke they are busting his balls to fix pay issues he had nothing to do with.

This video is no different than when the News crew took video months ago. Didnt see you complain then. Hell, maybe the news crew provided the footage.

Yes it was used in a public meeting becuase its the peoples business.

Want a tour? Do something stupid and get arrested and you can have a free visit!

Want to honestly be a part of fixing things then call him and make an appointment and see what you might be able to do to work with people to make things better.
Id10t

Springfield, IL

#53 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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Again, another well thought out complaint. First your complaint was about the use of tax dollars. Now its who made the video. What difference does it make as to who made the video? It wasnt done with your money so get over it.
Please prove it with some Facts. Some of us will not take your word for it and "Get over it".

There are 2 items that scare me the most in watching this meeting.

Your open meeting acts contain provisions for moving to Executive Session to discuss personel matters. Once specific names were brought up, why didn't they immediately goto Executive Session? That reaks of someone having an agenda.

The thinly veiled threat to sue at the end of the meeting was also very disturbing. How much would that cost the taxpayers? It seems to me that just strains his already strained county board relationship even more.
Id10t

Springfield, IL

#54 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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Want to honestly be a part of fixing things then call him and make an appointment and see what you might be able to do to work with people to make things better.
Like you did with the 911 Board? You took an Olive Branch and set fire to it with Napalm.
Just Sayin

Indianapolis, IN

#55 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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Another example of how stupi you look when you make assumptions.
CURRENT CONTRIBUTOR! I recieved an email letting me know about the site and was told they would post fact based documents pertaining to local government.
Why must you continue to insult me by calling me names and demeaning my intellegence? Is that the only way you can get your point across? I don't give a flying flip if you designed the website, contributed to the website or paid Go Daddy for the url rights. YOUR name is all over that site and you are more than just a contributor. Does your mouth hurt because you seem to be talking from both sides?
Just Sayin

Indianapolis, IN

#56 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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It was taken in order to expose how bad things have gotten over the last 25 years and he presented it to people in an effort to get volunterrs to help clean it up because the county is broke. So broke they are busting his balls to fix pay issues he had nothing to do with.
This video is no different than when the News crew took video months ago. Didnt see you complain then. Hell, maybe the news crew provided the footage.
Yes it was used in a public meeting becuase its the peoples business.
Want a tour? Do something stupid and get arrested and you can have a free visit!
They are busting his genitals because he is the CURRENT office holder who promised to do a lot and has yet to do anything significant but fight with the county board and create a hostile work environment for his employees.

I will not just GET OVER IT which seems to be your tag line to dispute a reasonable arguement after you've finished insulting the intellegence of anyone who disagrees with you and you are unable to provide a counterargument. The video is different from what the news crew shot because if it had been footage by Channel 10, Motley would need to credit them as a source or he would be in violation of copy right laws. Common, Kirk, you know that as well as I do. Stop playing games and TELL THE TRUTH!
Just Sayin

Indianapolis, IN

#57 Aug 29, 2011
Im Listening wrote:
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Why don't you attack what the video is showing instead of worrying to taped it. I'm sorry but after watching the video I was no longer hungry. I'm sure Channel 10 would come over and film it for no charge? If that will make you happy I will gladly call them!
I'm waiting for Ed to stick some tools in the hands of his inmates and get to work. Stop complaining, get creative and DO SOMETHING!! Several of those tweakers used to be decent day laborers before they became meth heads.

Since: Jul 10

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#58 Aug 29, 2011
Id10t wrote:
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Please prove it with some Facts. Some of us will not take your word for it and "Get over it".
There are 2 items that scare me the most in watching this meeting.
Your open meeting acts contain provisions for moving to Executive Session to discuss personel matters. Once specific names were brought up, why didn't they immediately goto Executive Session? That reaks of someone having an agenda.
The thinly veiled threat to sue at the end of the meeting was also very disturbing. How much would that cost the taxpayers? It seems to me that just strains his already strained county board relationship even more.
Interesting how you want others to prove or disprove with facts. Why not file your own FOIA request for the financial expendatures and see for yourself. That way you dont have to beleieve anyone. I know for a fact no tax dollars were spent to creat the video. Dont take my word for it though. Im glad your not but dont expect me to do your work for you.

You can go into excecutive session to discuss personel matters but its not a requirement. They MAY hold a closed meeting.
(5 ILCS 120/2)(from Ch. 102, par. 42)
(Text of Section from P.A. 96&#8209;1235)
Sec. 2. Open meetings.
(c) Exceptions. A public body MAY hold closed meetings to consider the following subjects:

What you call a thinly veiled threat may be percieved that way just watching the video but if you knew of the underlying comments made about not paying obligations made by the county board you would understand the purpose, which was that the county board is obligated to pay those expenses. Yes, that is heresay as I dont have any documentation to support what I overheard by certain board members. If the County Board refuses to pay them then I believe they are in violation of the statute and the sheriff could take legal action and case precidence is there.

Some take that as a threat, others take that as a polite way of letting them know he knows the law.

Since: Jul 10

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#59 Aug 29, 2011
Id10t wrote:
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Like you did with the 911 Board? You took an Olive Branch and set fire to it with Napalm.
An olvie branch? Care to share that one? No such Branch has ever been offered.

If your refering to their offer to sit on an illegal comittee as an olive branch then you are clueless of what has been going on in that place for 15 years.

Since: Jul 10

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#60 Aug 29, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
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I'm waiting for Ed to stick some tools in the hands of his inmates and get to work. Stop complaining, get creative and DO SOMETHING!! Several of those tweakers used to be decent day laborers before they became meth heads.
If you would have attended the town hall meeting you would know why such an action has or has not occured.

ONLY convicted inmates can be assigned labor details. If they have not been convicted you cant have them doing work. He fully plans on doing just as you described but his hands are pretty much tied by statute. When they do get convicted they get shipped off to a DOC some where else.
Id10t

Terre Haute, IN

#61 Aug 29, 2011
Kirk Allen wrote:
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Interesting how you want others to prove or disprove with facts. Why not file your own FOIA request for the financial expendatures and see for yourself. That way you dont have to beleieve anyone. I know for a fact no tax dollars were spent to creat the video. Dont take my word for it though. Im glad your not but dont expect me to do your work for you.
You can go into excecutive session to discuss personel matters but its not a requirement. They MAY hold a closed meeting.
(5 ILCS 120/2)(from Ch. 102, par. 42)
(Text of Section from P.A. 96&#8209;1235)
Sec. 2. Open meetings.
(c) Exceptions. A public body MAY hold closed meetings to consider the following subjects:
What you call a thinly veiled threat may be percieved that way just watching the video but if you knew of the underlying comments made about not paying obligations made by the county board you would understand the purpose, which was that the county board is obligated to pay those expenses. Yes, that is heresay as I dont have any documentation to support what I overheard by certain board members. If the County Board refuses to pay them then I believe they are in violation of the statute and the sheriff could take legal action and case precidence is there.
Some take that as a threat, others take that as a polite way of letting them know he knows the law.
First of all, you are the one that deals in facts, so prove your position.

Second of all, I know they dont HAVE to goto executive session to discuss personel matters. My opinion is that by not doing so, showed a lack of Professionalism by all people at that meeting.

Finally....yes that was a threat.

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