Jerry

Fort Worth, TX

#410 Oct 18, 2011
I bet he does a little hunting or at least a little target practice now and then.
BirdBrain

Boise, ID

#411 Oct 18, 2011
as aforementioned, Dallas is good about ignoring the law.
Big Rick

Morongo Valley, CA

#412 Oct 19, 2011
I'm sure that there's more than a few Idaho law enforcement officers that would give their left nut to catch Claude Dallas out in the wild with a gun.
Sitting in a 6x9 cell for over 22 years probably took the fight out of him, and he knows he'd go right back if he was found in possession of ANY kind of weapon. He also knows that being caught with a gun would be a license to kill for any LEO who crosses his path. They are MUCH better trained & equipped than they were in 1981. The days of the six-shooter are long gone.
Yulp

Fort Worth, TX

#413 Oct 23, 2011
I bet he does a little target practice when no one is around. What happened to his gun collection? Where is he living and working at these days
Yulp

Fort Worth, TX

#414 Oct 25, 2011
No one knows.
Big Rick

Morongo Valley, CA

#415 Oct 25, 2011
I'd bet the family farm that he's within one hundred miles of where all this went down back in '81. Maybe even back where he started, the Alvord ranch, putting up windmills.
Yulp

Arlington, TX

#416 Oct 26, 2011
Is the Alvord ranch still going. That would probably be a good bet.
Yulp

Arlington, TX

#417 Oct 30, 2011
Yes. It is. One of the last
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#418 Nov 1, 2011
The law is the law wrote:
Sam Ward, what is Jesus doing in your life?
I'm studying this, obviously, from a whole other angle. And yes, I've done as much research as I could.
I have been a buckaroo, and I've been a cop. I have worked hand in hand with fish and game and have also had my disagreements. In the academy, the story of Dallas was one of the first things they told us. I have also cowboyed in some of the same areas Dallas did. I know about seclusion and wanting to be left alone. But I also know God, and my moral compass points due UP. So in all these conversations youve had with Dallas, has he ever mentioned repentance, true remorse or a conviction to apologize to the families?
A convicted felon cannot possess a firearm. Does he? I'm not a gambler, but I'd take that bet. IF he does, then nothing about his make up has changed. Investigate THAT.
Not only would he never dream of appologizing to the families, but we asked at his last parole hearing, for the location of my father's wedding ring, gun and badge. He conveniently "forgot" what he had done with them. Things that would have meant so much to our family and he doesn't have the decency to tell us where they are. Things that my family will always wish we had, and wonder why we don't. Thanks for your kind words and thoughts regarding our family.
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#419 Nov 1, 2011
Lee Logue wrote:
Sam Ward, who claims to chum with Claude Dallas, claims that Claude expressed remorse to HIM personally.
No, not to the victims wives, children and siblings. "No sir, that's just not going to happen." But he expresses remorse to Sam Ward.
And then he autographs Sam's book (Sam claims) just because Sam asked him to. And all because Claude is sooo accomodating. "He's like that."
Excuse me for a moment but I think my lunch is coming back up....
I just love some of you guys! Thanks for making me laugh when I really want to cry at reading most of these. I'm glad there are finally a few guys who aren't buying the bullshit that the first 3/4 of these posts were feeding to people.
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#420 Nov 1, 2011
Lee Logue wrote:
Dear Mr. Ward,
In your post earlier this morning you summed me up as: "YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. YOU APPEAR TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING BUT DISGUST FOR THINGS THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. GROW UP."
I live in Canyon County, Idaho where the trial was held almost 30 years ago. The Owyhee desert is my back yard and I also own land close to the Snake River in Owyhee County. Every time I look out my windows I look upon the soft undulations of the Owyhee Front.
For many visitors (or even locals) the Owyhees look just like a long brown blob on the hazy horizon. But I know much better.
The Owyhee Desert covers much of Southwestern Idaho, Northern Nevada and Eastern Oregon. The heart of Owyhee County is about as far as you can get away from pavement in the lower United States. To me it represents one of the last wild frontiers with it's jagged canyons, flat table lands of full blown American Desert, roaming herds of wild mustangs, the piercing screech of the red tailed hawk. This rough and mostly untravelled terrain also holds a colorful, vivid and often violent history.
This land has a strong and mysterious hold on me. It draws me and I gravitate towards it and into it whenever I can. I cherish the isolation and the wide open spaces, absorb the remoteness of the Big Quiet and feel a measure of peace.
I have criss-crossed "the Mountain" from the time-stood-still hamlet of Paradise Valley to the crumbling ruins of the Wickahoney Stage stop, from Jordan Valley to the abandoned and treacherous mine shafts of the Tuscarora's, camped out by the hole-in-the-ground cabin at Devil's Corral, rooted around Rattlesnake Springs, narrowly avoided serious confrontations with growers of illegal marihuana plots, shot the breeze and chewed the cud with ranchers and cowboys, lumbered through the Bloody Run Hills, pressed my nose at the windows of the now shuttered roadside bar of George Nielsen in Paradise Hill, searching for that coyote den off of Sand Pass Road, admired the carpet of wild flowers on the Santa Rosa mountains, squeezing through obscure canyon mazes where the water hides from the sun, making my four wheel drive think it had become a mountain goat, sucking in the potent sagebrush scent between Greeley's Crossing and the torturous descent to Crutcher's Crossing, pissed into the river at Three Forks, rested up at the isolated Star Valley Ranch, and last, but not least, dropped more than one quarter into the slots of blip-on-the-road McDermitt.
Many times I have hiked the faint trail leading down to Bull Camp, rested between the roofless stone cabins, fixed my gaze on the gently sloping riverbank and in my mind's eye imagined the tragic events playing out on that chilly January day more than thirty years ago.
Mr. Ward, as for your last admonition to me this morning: "GROW UP." I strive every day to learn more thruogh other people's view points and to widen my horizon and to have empathy and goodwill toward my fellow man.
Sincerely yours,
Lee Logue
I'm sorry for these sudden comments on this thread, but it's been a long time since I've been on. I was, frankly, sick of reading the crap that people are so willing to believe because they heard it from their great Aunt Martha's next door neighbor who happened to have a second cousin who had a sister who had a run-in with a Game Warden, thereby, all this information about Bill Pogue just HAD to be true.

Lee, your description of the Owyhees is EXACTLY why they were my dad's favorite place on earth. The only consolation to this whole "event" is that he died in the place he loved. Other than that, yes, it's "over and done with" - for those of you who didn't lose someone in this horror. For our family, it will never be "over and done with."
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#421 Nov 1, 2011
Big Rick wrote:
<quoted text> Other Daughter just told you. Most people can read between the lines...no offense.
Well, I for one, have no idea who Lee Logue is. Not a Pogue family member that I know of. There are only 2 of us that have found this thread - my sister and I. I would never want my mom to see this, my brother has no computer, and my other sister has never seen this thread. Just sayin'
dave

Eureka, CA

#422 Nov 1, 2011
Jodi , What did you think of the movie and book I sent you?
Big Rick

Morongo Valley, CA

#423 Nov 4, 2011
Jodi, I guess I was wrong when I assumed that Lee Logue was Dee Pogue. The way the writing was so detailed,I figured it HAD to be someone VERY close to this story, someone that had spent a great deal of time in the area. Is it possible that your Mom or your other sister, or maybe even your brother, could know of this thread without you being aware of it? Whoever L.L. is, they have written the most compassionate post here, out of all 413 and my gut tells me that it's someone close to you OR the Elms family. Just sayin'.
Big Rick

Morongo Valley, CA

#424 Nov 4, 2011
Jodi, I assumed (wrongfully) that Lee Logue was your mom, Dee Pogue.(couldn't ignore the obvious) The writing was just so detailed, so passionate, that I figured it had to be someone VERY close to you or the Elm's family. Whoever it is, they definitely have a great deal of knowledge about the area and it just seemed to me, to have some kind of personal stake in this. Whoever he, or she is, they got my vote for the #1 post out of 413.
Just sayin'.
jclayton27

Hood River, OR

#425 Nov 4, 2011
cksh8me wrote:
Claude is traveling around the country living the life he enjoys.
Really? He's a convicted felon genious. He can't live the life he enjoys since he can't carry a gun.
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#428 Nov 10, 2011
dave wrote:
Jodi , What did you think of the movie and book I sent you?
Oh my gosh Dave, I forgot about the book, I appologize. I already had the movie taped. I'll look for that address and send the book on to the person you meant to have it. Thanks.
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#429 Nov 10, 2011
Big Rick wrote:
Jodi, I guess I was wrong when I assumed that Lee Logue was Dee Pogue. The way the writing was so detailed,I figured it HAD to be someone VERY close to this story, someone that had spent a great deal of time in the area. Is it possible that your Mom or your other sister, or maybe even your brother, could know of this thread without you being aware of it? Whoever L.L. is, they have written the most compassionate post here, out of all 413 and my gut tells me that it's someone close to you OR the Elms family. Just sayin'.
Well, I know it wasn't my mom. She's never really been to the Owyhees and neither have my sisters. My brother hasn't spent much time there and he's a logger, not a writer, and that didn't sound like something that would have come from him at all. I've seen letters he's written to the Editor of the paper. I can honestly say it wasn't someone from the Elms family, there's only Conley's widow and daughter, who don't get involved in this stuff and have also never been to the Owyhees. I wish I knew who it was as well, I'd like to thank him for the way he put into words, the things I would have liked to have said so many times.
jPogue

Garden City, ID

#430 Nov 10, 2011
Big Rick wrote:
Jodi, I assumed (wrongfully) that Lee Logue was your mom, Dee Pogue.(couldn't ignore the obvious) The writing was just so detailed, so passionate, that I figured it had to be someone VERY close to you or the Elm's family. Whoever it is, they definitely have a great deal of knowledge about the area and it just seemed to me, to have some kind of personal stake in this. Whoever he, or she is, they got my vote for the #1 post out of 413.
Just sayin'.
Rick, I so agree with you - and I wish I knew you. You seem to be a great guy. Thanks for the support.
dave

Eureka, CA

#431 Nov 10, 2011
Jodi, After my friend reads the book I can have her send it back if you would like to keep it. I remember you said yor friend knows the author. Dave

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