Obama wants higher taxes: No deal for...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#782 Jan 11, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Once again you prove you are a liar.........
And once again you prove you dont know what you are talking about.....
And once again you prove you were never in the military.....
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And once again you proved you are a certified Moron (Note the capital M)
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#783 Jan 11, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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For morons like him the debt is something that you and I need to be worried about paying......
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Wasn't it the crooked Dick Chenney who said "deficits don't matter...???
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#784 Jan 11, 2013
Here is a moron wrote:
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Please get some mental help before it's too late. Many of the liberals who post here have given lists of numerous cuts that wouldn't touch the actual needs of the miltary.
Cut crop subsidies going to millionaires.
Limit FEMA payments to a "one time" payout.
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Only a sane person would allow for the notion he/she might need some mental help...

Crazy, far gone loons like LOCAL IDIOT, HERE IS ONE , TWP and SOCIOPATH will never consider the possibility they could benefit from some serious mental counseling....
one is a moron

Lincoln, CA

#786 Jan 11, 2013
Local wrote:
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Oh, are you teepee now?
Saving a few bucks is not the problem.
Limiting overall deficits could inlcude the few measly crumbs that you have mentioned, however, we are currently borrowing over 40% of our yearly budget($1.5 trillion borrowed).......so you need to get serious about spending cuts..........moron.
C'mon teepee/moron
Let's see some REAL balanced federal cuts to go along with your continual whining for higher and higher taxes.
As usual with crybaby liberals, the easy part is done (the talking about a balanced approach). Now list the cuts or admit that you really do not favor a balanced appproach. You just want higher and higher taxes.
How about we do a 25% cut in S.S. disbursements by means testing along with a 25% cut in defense spending by taking the fraud out of their procurement spending along with cutting all corporate welfare?

Butt before we do any of the above, how about you show everyone where I was ever continually whining for higher and higher taxes.

If you’re honest you’ll note that all I’ve ever advocated is to be able to pay the same percentage of my earnings in taxes as say mutt rummy (the rich) does.
Tea Party Solution

United States

#787 Jan 11, 2013
Local wrote:
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You have never mentioned any cuts in your "blanaced(lmao) approach"
A tax and spend liberal like you never wants to cut anything(except perhaps our nations defense budget).
You lie, like always. I HAVE suggested ways to cut spending.

Yes, the defense budget is bloated-- that's the one department the righties always want to give more money to. It needs to be overhauled. From usatoday:

"Many of the same members of Congress who complain so loudly about the impending defense cuts repeatedly block the Pentagon from making smart reductions. The military suggested closing more unneeded military bases and raising the super-low premiums and copays for the Tricare health insurance program for military retirees. Congress wasn't interested, but it continues to insist on building planes, tanks and other hardware the Pentagon doesn't want."

I've also discussed these ways to save:

Cut out the waste, fraud, and unneeded procedures from Medicare/ Medicaid:

"Smart cuts eliminate spending on medical tests, treatments and procedures that don’t work — or that cost significantly more than other treatments while delivering no better health outcomes. And they can be made without shortchanging patients.

The list of procedures Medicare pays for that are proven to have no benefit goes on and on. Cutting payment for these is not rationing. It saves money, but it also protects patients from the pain, stress and risks associated with unnecessary care.

Smart cuts can also be achieved through better coordination of patient care. One program, at the University of Pennsylvania, sends a nurse to visit older adults at home immediately after they have been discharged from the hospital. By reducing readmissions, the program saves $5,000 per Medicare patient."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/opinion/cut...

Medicare benefits should also be means tested, for people making millions a year or have huge savings. Social Security-- which is not actually part of our budget-- could be protected by raising the income limit to some figure over the current $105,000 a year.

For people who want to seriously consider all of our types of spending, and what cuts would do, check out this long paper from the CBO: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofil...

Make sure to go to the end of each section to read the reasons for and against the cuts in each of these departments. There is waste and costly overlaps everywhere-- and the Congress should get off their butts and look closely and objectively at each issue.

I'm for a SMART paring down of most departmental budgets. The keyword is SMART. The amount that each program should be cut would vary depending on how much waste can be eliminated, while minimizing the damage these cuts may cause to our economy.

If the cuts simply shift the costs to the states, or to the poor/ middle class, nothing's accomplished.

Local wrote:
<Now, quit the obfuscation with your phony progressive nonsense.
Congratulations--'obfuscation' -- you've learned a new word.
one is a liar

Lincoln, CA

#788 Jan 11, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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You lie, like always. I HAVE suggested ways to cut spending.
Yes, the defense budget is bloated-- that's the one department the righties always want to give more money to. It needs to be overhauled. From usatoday:
"Many of the same members of Congress who complain so loudly about the impending defense cuts repeatedly block the Pentagon from making smart reductions. The military suggested closing more unneeded military bases and raising the super-low premiums and copays for the Tricare health insurance program for military retirees. Congress wasn't interested, but it continues to insist on building planes, tanks and other hardware the Pentagon doesn't want."
I've also discussed these ways to save:
Cut out the waste, fraud, and unneeded procedures from Medicare/ Medicaid:
"Smart cuts eliminate spending on medical tests, treatments and procedures that don’t work — or that cost significantly more than other treatments while delivering no better health outcomes. And they can be made without shortchanging patients.
The list of procedures Medicare pays for that are proven to have no benefit goes on and on. Cutting payment for these is not rationing. It saves money, but it also protects patients from the pain, stress and risks associated with unnecessary care.
Smart cuts can also be achieved through better coordination of patient care. One program, at the University of Pennsylvania, sends a nurse to visit older adults at home immediately after they have been discharged from the hospital. By reducing readmissions, the program saves $5,000 per Medicare patient."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/opinion/cut...
Medicare benefits should also be means tested, for people making millions a year or have huge savings. Social Security-- which is not actually part of our budget-- could be protected by raising the income limit to some figure over the current $105,000 a year.
For people who want to seriously consider all of our types of spending, and what cuts would do, check out this long paper from the CBO: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofil...
Make sure to go to the end of each section to read the reasons for and against the cuts in each of these departments. There is waste and costly overlaps everywhere-- and the Congress should get off their butts and look closely and objectively at each issue.
I'm for a SMART paring down of most departmental budgets. The keyword is SMART. The amount that each program should be cut would vary depending on how much waste can be eliminated, while minimizing the damage these cuts may cause to our economy.
If the cuts simply shift the costs to the states, or to the poor/ middle class, nothing's accomplished.
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Congratulations--'obfuscation' -- you've learned a new word.
He'll get back to us as soon as he get's his talking points from drudge or tush bimbo.
Tea Party Solution

United States

#789 Jan 11, 2013
And how did we come up with our huge deficit?

The right-wing bubble goes nuts, frothing at the mouth, shouting "Obama did it!".

They ignore the Bush catastrophe, and pretend that our economy was just sailing along until President Obama took over.

Facts don't match the right-wing lies:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm...

"Some commentators blame major legislation adopted since 2008 — the stimulus bill and other recovery measures and the financial rescues — for today’s record deficits. Yet those costs pale next to other policies enacted since 2001 that have swollen the deficit.

Just two policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for $6 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019, including the associated debt-service costs.

By 2019, we estimate that these two policies will account for almost half — nearly $9 trillion — of the $18 trillion in debt that will be owed.

These impacts easily dwarf the Obama stimulus and financial rescues, which will account for less than $2 trillion (less than 10 percent) of the debt at that time."

So, Bush's policies will have given us 50% of the debt by 2019, and Obama's rescue policies will account for just 10% of the debt.
Tea Party Solution

United States

#790 Jan 11, 2013
one is a liar wrote:
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He'll get back to us as soon as he get's his talking points from drudge or tush bimbo.
Exactly.
one is a liar

Lincoln, CA

#791 Jan 11, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
And how did we come up with our huge deficit?
The right-wing bubble goes nuts, frothing at the mouth, shouting "Obama did it!".
They ignore the Bush catastrophe, and pretend that our economy was just sailing along until President Obama took over.
Facts don't match the right-wing lies:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm...
"Some commentators blame major legislation adopted since 2008 — the stimulus bill and other recovery measures and the financial rescues — for today’s record deficits. Yet those costs pale next to other policies enacted since 2001 that have swollen the deficit.
Just two policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for $6 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019, including the associated debt-service costs.
By 2019, we estimate that these two policies will account for almost half — nearly $9 trillion — of the $18 trillion in debt that will be owed.
These impacts easily dwarf the Obama stimulus and financial rescues, which will account for less than $2 trillion (less than 10 percent) of the debt at that time."
So, Bush's policies will have given us 50% of the debt by 2019, and Obama's rescue policies will account for just 10% of the debt.
Good post as usual.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#792 Jan 12, 2013
one is a liar wrote:
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Good post as usual.
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Agree, SOLUTION is one of the few intelligent posters remaining on the Chico forum....

“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#793 Jan 13, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Wasn't it the crooked Dick Chenney who said "deficits don't matter...???
Once again the village liar proves how stupid she is

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china??

You claim a m-16 is more powerful than a m-14 and everyone that ever even looked at the ammo knows you are wrong

Are you trying to say the he was correct about everything he said??

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#794 Jan 13, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Only a sane person would allow for the notion he/she might need some mental help...

Crazy, far gone loons like LOCAL IDIOT, HERE IS ONE , TWP and SOCIOPATH will never consider the possibility they could benefit from some serious mental counseling....
Words of wisdom from the village liar that claims a m-16 is more powerful than a m-14
Here is One

United States

#795 Jan 13, 2013
Local wrote:
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You have never mentioned any cuts in your "blanaced(lmao) approach"
A tax and spend liberal like you never wants to cut anything(except perhaps our nations defense budget).
Now, quit the obfuscation with your phony progressive nonsense.
Let's see how you would cut spending at the federal level.
btw, a lowering of the growth of spending is not really a cut in spending now is it. So don't give us any of that hogwash.
When One taxes and spends there is by definition NO DEFICIT. The taxes pay for the spending.

But, like Bush Repubs, when you BORROW and SPEND the debt builds until we are in a situation like today.

CHINA LOVES REPUBLICANS!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#798 Jan 13, 2013
Here is One wrote:
<quoted text>When One taxes and spends there is by definition NO DEFICIT. The taxes pay for the spending.
But, like Bush Repubs, when you BORROW and SPEND the debt builds until we are in a situation like today.
CHINA LOVES REPUBLICANS!
As usual, you speak with forked tongue.

Deficit spending is directly attributable to HOW MUCH YOU SPEND, moron.

Especially when the approximate income is anticipated.
In other words meathead, If you make $100k per year, and you then spend $140k per year, you are spending more than you make.
You have two choices.
Cut spending, or find a second job that will pay $40k.

You may choose to work day and night to pay the extra $40k. Ok, go for it. I would rather cut spending.
So, go ahead and get your second job and just mail your donation check($40k) into the federal government as a donation.
We will both be happy.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#799 Jan 14, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Words of wisdom from the village liar that claims a m-16 is more powerful than a m-14
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Yeap

Most militaries, even the most backwards third world countries, insurgents and mass murderers everywhere prefer the M16 or it's cousin the AK 47 to the M14 .....LOL

Maybe they know something you haven't figured out yet....ROTFLMAO
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#801 Jan 14, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Once again the village liar proves how stupid she is
What does that have to do with the price of tea in china??
Are you trying to say the he was correct about everything he said??
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What I am saying is that all you racist conservatives were OK with Bush ramping up the deficit and running the economy into the deepest hole it has been in since the great depression in the 20's and after OBAMA gets elected, all you hypocritical conservative morons get religious on us about he deficit......ROTFLMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#802 Jan 14, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Yeap

Most militaries, even the most backwards third world countries, insurgents and mass murderers everywhere prefer the M16 or it's cousin the AK 47 to the M14 .....LOL

Maybe they know something you haven't figured out yet....ROTFLMAO
Still trying to cover your lie..........LOL

Tell us again how the m-16 is more powerful than a fn FAL

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#803 Jan 14, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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What I am saying is that all you racist conservatives were OK with Bush ramping up the deficit and running the economy into the deepest hole it has been in since the great depression in the 20's and after OBAMA gets elected, all you hypocritical conservative morons get religious on us about he deficit......ROTFLMAO
Oslama has run the deficit up more in four years than any other president ever.......
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#804 Jan 14, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Oslama has run the deficit up more in four years than any other president ever.......
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That is because OBAMA had to pay for all the phony wars and the drug plan Bush put on the charge car plus he also had to pay for the large two truck to pull the Nation out of the deepest financial hole since the Great Depression, where Bush left it....
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#805 Jan 14, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Still trying to cover your lie..........LOL
Tell us again how the m-16 is more powerful than a fn FAL
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If an fn FAL were pore powerful than the m-16 than the US military and child murderers would be using the fn FAL...

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