Nevada City to require a permit for homeless people

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“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#1 Nov 22, 2012
Nevada City police chief James Wickham has come up with an unusual way of managing the growing homeless population in the city.

The law will make only a few exceptions and give out a small number of permits that allow public sleeping. The ordinance aims to reduce the crime and trouble supposedly caused by the swelling homeless population. The police chief is to give out about 6 to 10 permits initially, and will look to review the program in 6 months to check whether it is working. Wickham has identified at least 60 homeless people in the immediate community and up to 500 countywide. Any homeless person found sleeping in public without a permit will be arrested.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/21/why-you-nee...
Bill Mash

United States

#2 Nov 23, 2012
Let's see if I understand this... The police Chief decides which 6 to 10 are worthy of the indignity a permit for having no residence. The rest are left at the mercy of the law, subject to arrest. Wow.

Have we sunk so low as a people to even consider such a draconian way of dealing with those in need? Was this voted on?

Sincererly Flabagasted

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#3 Nov 24, 2012
Bill Mash wrote:
Let's see if I understand this... The police Chief decides which 6 to 10 are worthy of the indignity a permit for having no residence. The rest are left at the mercy of the law, subject to arrest. Wow.
Have we sunk so low as a people to even consider such a draconian way of dealing with those in need? Was this voted on?
Sincererly Flabagasted
You will be seeing more and more of this as more and more people are losing their homes....

Mexico has changed its immigration laws to stop the exodus of people from the USA.
You can still enter on a tourist visa (FMT) that is still good for a 180 days. It will soon be shortened to 90 days only with a required 90 days out of the country.

For a immigration visa (full time) the rules for FM3 and FM2 has now radically changed.
The old law said you must show 1,500 dollars of income coming from within or outside of Mexico. The new law says you must prove 5,000 per month income from a source outside of Mexico. Working FM3 and FM2 are now limited and only to be given to someone that has skills and or education that cant be filled by a national. The skills and or education must be Apostlled from the USA.

Live aboard boats now must be insured and valued at 100k USD.

Mexico is clamping down on who they will even allow to live here now..
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#4 Nov 25, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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You will be seeing more and more of this as more and more people are losing their homes....
Mexico has changed its immigration laws to stop the exodus of people from the USA.
Blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah
Mexico is clamping down on who they will even allow to live here now..
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You appear to still be living in Mexico so they must not be clamping down too hard...LMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Colima, Mexico

#5 Nov 25, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You appear to still be living in Mexico so they must not be clamping down too hard...LMAO
More childish school yard rants from the moron that claims fraud CAUSED the housing crisis
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#6 Nov 25, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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More childish school yard rants from the moron that claims fraud CAUSED the housing crisis
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Whose fault is it you are too stupid to Google the role of fraud on the housing crisis...? LMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Colima, Mexico

#7 Nov 25, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Whose fault is it you are too stupid to Google the role of fraud on the housing crisis...? LMAO
No need to
I forgot more about mortgages than you will ever know

And not one link agrees with your moronic statement that fraud CAUSED the housing crisis

And not one economist agrees with you

But you are so stupid that you claim you know more about the economy than every single economist........LOL
Annoyed

Chico, CA

#8 Nov 26, 2012
Bill Mash wrote:
Let's see if I understand this... The police Chief decides which 6 to 10 are worthy of the indignity a permit for having no residence. The rest are left at the mercy of the law, subject to arrest. Wow.
Have we sunk so low as a people to even consider such a draconian way of dealing with those in need? Was this voted on?
Sincererly Flabagasted
Hey Bill.

nevada city is a place tourists go from sacramento and the bay area. they only want tourist trap spenders in their town and not scruffy non-spending folk that remind the tourists of home. The last time I passed through if you wanted a glass of water to wash down a pill it was $0.99.

If you're homeless in the United States, for any reason, you're looked down on and shunned and chased out of town, in just about every city...with a very few exceptions. This isn't new; where have you been?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#9 Nov 26, 2012
Annoyed wrote:
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Hey Bill.
nevada city is a place tourists go from sacramento and the bay area. they only want tourist trap spenders in their town and not scruffy non-spending folk that remind the tourists of home. The last time I passed through if you wanted a glass of water to wash down a pill it was $0.99.
If you're homeless in the United States, for any reason, you're looked down on and shunned and chased out of town, in just about every city...with a very few exceptions. This isn't new; where have you been?
Yes and that is why California under liberals now has the highest percentage of people living at or below the poverty level......

Taxes raise the cost of everything and force business to lower wages......Or move..........LOL
Local

Clearlake, CA

#10 Nov 26, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Yes and that is why California under liberals now has the highest percentage of people living at or below the poverty level......
Taxes raise the cost of everything and force business to lower wages......Or move..........LOL
California leads the nation in many respects. The elitist progressive/radical environmental agenda has been in charge for decades in Calif.. The results are obvious......more poor folks without the hope of a job.
In the coming years, the entire nation(with a few exceptions) will look like California..........very rich.....or very poor.
These people do not need a permit issued to them to legitimize their homelessness.........they need a job.
Guilded One

San Jose, CA

#11 Nov 26, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Yes and that is why California under liberals now has the highest percentage of people living at or below the poverty level......
Taxes raise the cost of everything and force business to lower wages......Or move..........LOL
Yes, let's return to the days of total deregulation, when a 10 year old could work a 10 hour day six days a week. Those were the days!!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#12 Nov 26, 2012
Local wrote:
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California leads the nation in many respects. The elitist progressive/radical environmental agenda has been in charge for decades in Calif.. The results are obvious......more poor folks without the hope of a job.
In the coming years, the entire nation(with a few exceptions) will look like California..........very rich.....or very poor.
These people do not need a permit issued to them to legitimize their homelessness.........they need a job.
Here are some differences between red states and blue states.

Here are some (based on 2010 U.S. Census data):

• Blue states tend to have a more educated populace. California is typical with 37.4 percent of adults holding college degrees. Deeply blue Massachusetts ranks first in this category with 53.4 percent of adults holding at least a bachelor’s degree. Minnesota, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Iowa, and Maryland (all blue in 2008) come next, interrupted in the red only by North Dakota with 49.5 percent.

At the bottom is a corps of red states including Alaska at 26.6 percent, Texas at 32.2 percent, and Arizona with 33 percent.

• Unemployment is highest in 2008 blue states Nevada (12 percent in July), Rhode Island (10.8 percent), and here in California (10.2 percent in September). States with the least unemployment were North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Oklahoma, but five of the next six lowest unemployment rates were in blue states.

• Red states tend to have a far higher percentage of persons abusing drugs, led by West Virginia with 25.8 persons out of every 100,000 dying of drug overdoses, Utah with 18.4 and Alaska with 18.1 in 2008, the last year for which statistics are available, followed closely by extremely red Kentucky at 17.9 per 100,000.

Red states like Louisiana, Arizona, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Tennessee all topped 14 per 100,000 in this sad category. California, a fairly typical blue state in drug abuse, saw 10.4 persons out of every 100,000 die of drug overdoses, both from illegal drugs and prescription ones, still too many. The leader among 2008 blue states here was Florida at 16.9.(statistics from the Policy Impact Report of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention).

• It’s much the same in Census-determined poverty rates: red states are poorer; Mississippi the poorest with 22.4 percent of its populace below the federal poverty line, followed by Alabama and Kentucky (both 19 percent), Arkansas, West Virginia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Texas, Georgia and Tennessee, all red and together making up the 10 states with the highest proportion of poor citizens. California sits at 15.8 percent in poverty, about the mid-range for blue states.

• States with the highest Census-reported divorce rates are also almost exclusively red, including Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alaska, Alabama, Kentucky, Nevada (the only blue state here, but also the only one with an active quickie divorce industry), Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee and Arizona. What was that about family values?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#13 Nov 26, 2012

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#14 Nov 26, 2012
"The numbers, for decades now, have been quite clear: With some exceptions, what we regard as red states are sent a whole lot more of your hard-earned tax dollars than the traditional blue states. In effect, supposedly indolent,“tax and spend” liberals actually subsidize the individualistic, pure, and hard-working lifestyle of our conservative countrymen."

Here’s a list of the top 10 states that got the most back in terms of federal benefits, followed by the bottom 10. I’ve added the reasons why, when they’re obvious, in the space to the right.

To save space below,“pension benefits” include both Medicare and Social Security; “anti-poverty aid” includes Head Start, Low Income Home Energy Assistance, Food Stamp and nutrition programs for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), and several school-lunch-style benefits.

Top Ten (Source: Tax Foundation):

1. New Mexico Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs

2. Mississippi Farm subsidies, military spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs.

3. Alaska Per capita No 1 recipient of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork projects.

4. Louisiana Disaster relief, farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending.

5. W. Virginia Farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid.

6. N. Dakota Farm subsidies, energy subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian reservations.

7. Alabama Retirement programs, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending, farm subsidies.

8. S. Dakota Retirement programs, nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian reservations.

9. Virginia Civil service pensions, military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty aid.

10. Kentucky Retirement programs, nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies.

Now consider the bottom 10, i.e., the ones that give more to the federal government in taxes than they get in return. From 1 to 10, they are:

New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.

Anything strange about that list? Yes, they are all blue states (or the deepest of purple).

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012...
Local

Clearlake, CA

#15 Nov 26, 2012
Let's compare apples to apples.
Red state Texas vrs. Blue state(Calif.

All of your nonsense goes out the window...

beginning with:
Compare and contrast: Texas (rich state) California (poor state)
http://anguishedrepose.com/2011/02/08/compare...

Over the last 3 years, calif. has gotten worse, and texas has gotten even better.

In all areas except one, Texas won by a large margin. In that one aarea the two states where essentially tied (taxes on consumption). The study goes on to examine the regulatory and spending policies, and again Texas wins.

"Winning," in this study, means creating environments where businesses want to be and grow. When you see the status of California and Texas it should not be a surprise that the Lone Star State is considered a business magnet and the number one job creator in the country. In fact, Texas has not only been creating more jobs than California, it has created more jobs than all the other states combined.

Texas seems to understand that, if you want to make a state wealthy public policy needs to make a state competitive for attracting and keeping business. That is a lesson the national government needs to learn as it tries to prevent companies from leaving this nation for more prosperous
Taxes on Capital

- State and Local Property Tax Burden: California ($32.89) and Texas ($36.50)

- Estate/Inheritance Tax Levied: California (NO) and Texas (NO)

- Top Marginal Rate: Income, Dividends, and Cap. Gains: California (10.55%) and Texas (0%)

-Top Marginal Corporate Income Tax Rate: California (8.84%) and Texas (1% GRT)

Taxes on Consumption

- State Sales Tax Rate: California (8.25%) and Texas (6.25%)

- Sales and Local General Sales Tax Burden per $1,000 of personal income: California (8.25%) and Texas (6.25%)

Overall Tax Environment

- Overall Tax Burden: California ($115.96) and Texas ($94.00)

- Personal Income Tax Progressivity: California ($36.19) and Texas ($0)

- Recent Legalised Tax Changes per $1,000 of Personal Income (2008 and 9): California ($6.19) and Texas (-$2.59)

- Number of Tax Expenditure Limits: California 2 and Texas 1.

and most importantly.....the rates of unemployment and poverty are far less in Texas than in calif.
Local

Clearlake, CA

#16 Nov 26, 2012
Unemployment rate 2012
Texas 6%
Calif. over 10%

Poverty rate

California Poverty Rate Highest In Nation Based On New Census Department Figures

The Golden State's jump between the supplemental and conventional measures was the largest swing of any state, and the Sacramento Bee attributes it to California's high cost of living.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/cali...

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#17 Nov 26, 2012
Local wrote:
Let's compare apples to apples.
Red state Texas vrs. Blue state(Calif.
All of your nonsense goes out the window...
beginning with:
Compare and contrast: Texas (rich state) California (poor state)
http://anguishedrepose.com/2011/02/08/compare...
Over the last 3 years, calif. has gotten worse, and texas has gotten even better.
In all areas except one, Texas won by a large margin. In that one aarea the two states where essentially tied (taxes on consumption). The study goes on to examine the regulatory and spending policies, and again Texas wins.
"Winning," in this study, means creating environments where businesses want to be and grow. When you see the status of California and Texas it should not be a surprise that the Lone Star State is considered a business magnet and the number one job creator in the country. In fact, Texas has not only been creating more jobs than California, it has created more jobs than all the other states combined.
Texas seems to understand that, if you want to make a state wealthy public policy needs to make a state competitive for attracting and keeping business. That is a lesson the national government needs to learn as it tries to prevent companies from leaving this nation for more prosperous
Taxes on Capital
- State and Local Property Tax Burden: California ($32.89) and Texas ($36.50)
- Estate/Inheritance Tax Levied: California (NO) and Texas (NO)
- Top Marginal Rate: Income, Dividends, and Cap. Gains: California (10.55%) and Texas (0%)
-Top Marginal Corporate Income Tax Rate: California (8.84%) and Texas (1% GRT)
Taxes on Consumption
- State Sales Tax Rate: California (8.25%) and Texas (6.25%)
- Sales and Local General Sales Tax Burden per $1,000 of personal income: California (8.25%) and Texas (6.25%)
Overall Tax Environment
- Overall Tax Burden: California ($115.96) and Texas ($94.00)
- Personal Income Tax Progressivity: California ($36.19) and Texas ($0)
- Recent Legalised Tax Changes per $1,000 of Personal Income (2008 and 9): California ($6.19) and Texas (-$2.59)
- Number of Tax Expenditure Limits: California 2 and Texas 1.
and most importantly.....the rates of unemployment and poverty are far less in Texas than in calif.
No response to what I said then?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#18 Nov 26, 2012
Local wrote:
Unemployment rate 2012
Texas 6%
Calif. over 10%
Poverty rate
California Poverty Rate Highest In Nation Based On New Census Department Figures
The Golden State's jump between the supplemental and conventional measures was the largest swing of any state, and the Sacramento Bee attributes it to California's high cost of living.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/cali...
The article also attributes the jump to "California is struggling more because it's relatively harder there to qualify for food stamps and other benefits."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/cali...

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#19 Nov 26, 2012
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
California leads the nation in many respects. The elitist progressive/radical environmental agenda has been in charge for decades in Calif.. The results are obvious......more poor folks without the hope of a job.
In the coming years, the entire nation(with a few exceptions) will look like California..........very rich.....or very poor.
These people do not need a permit issued to them to legitimize their homelessness.........they need a job.
The liberals have nearly killed the state and four more years of the economy slayer will do the same to the whole country......

Look for another credit rating downgrade.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#20 Nov 26, 2012
Guilded One wrote:
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Yes, let's return to the days of total deregulation, when a 10 year old could work a 10 hour day six days a week. Those were the days!!
Did I mention regulations?????

NOPE.......ROTFLMAO

Normal liberal spin spin spin and then duck and dodge

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