Bishop calls faith open

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The Episcopal Church invites questioning, varied viewpoints and diversity in leadership and lifestyle, the presiding bishop of the church said Saturday in Papillion ...

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“... truth will out.”

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#21 Mar 31, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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... And if you don't think the selection of a pope results in the directed course of interpreted morality for most of the world's Roman Catholics, then you ain't no Roman Catholic.
KGC
And how exactly does a supposed Episcopal cleric determine the Catholicity of others?
RevKen wrote:
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Since the pope became selected by secret ballot ...
Again, what does a secret ballot have to do w/biblical morality, or is every political election in the US an immoral event?

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#22 Mar 31, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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And how exactly does a supposed Episcopal cleric determine the Catholicity of others?
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Again, what does a secret ballot have to do w/biblical morality, or is every political election in the US an immoral event?
Well, LMAO, HaHaHa! Yeah, every political election in the US and even more so, everywhere else, IS an immoral event! That's just the nature of politics.

Now, we can go a step forward in this analogy and ask if every gathering of theologians convened for the purpose of deciding controversial dogmatic and doctrinal issues is in some way political. The fact is, yes, unquestionably. Politics is the art of developing consensus. A constitutional framework provided for the purpose of assuring the minority interests a voice in the examination of issues is an enlightened method of finding consensus while exposing all avenues of possibility.

But, the fact is that the element of political wrangling and corruption of power, forcefully applied in order to achieve a desired result is always a presence. There is always an element of immorality that has to be recognized before it can be rendered ineffective.

Was there a gentle and submissive unanimity present in the decisions made regarding all of the issues before the Council of Nicea?

No Way, Jose.

It was a down and dirty affair with back room deals made and Judases wandering throughout each crucial vote. Theological careers were put on the line and in some cases sacrificed.

Read up on your own church history, Brother. It has never been "milk and cookies."

KGC

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#23 Apr 1, 2010
RevKen wrote:
Was there a gentle and submissive unanimity present in the decisions made regarding all of the issues before the Council of Nicea?
No Way, Jose.
It was a down and dirty affair with back room deals made and Judases wandering throughout each crucial vote. Theological careers were put on the line and in some cases sacrificed.
Read up on your own church history, Brother. It has never been "milk and cookies."
KGC
What if it was?
How does that justify making decisions regarding biblical morality based on percentages?

Do the "deals" of the Council of Nicea justify Schori's actions in TEC today, or Obama's "Louisiana Purchase" to ensure universal health care?

Sounds like "the ends justify the means" to me.

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#24 Apr 1, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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What if it was?
How does that justify making decisions regarding biblical morality based on percentages?
Do the "deals" of the Council of Nicea justify Schori's actions in TEC today, or Obama's "Louisiana Purchase" to ensure universal health care?
Sounds like "the ends justify the means" to me.
Well, YOU said it, Joe, not me.

The people in Nebraska are going to turn Sen. Nelson out come November. Why? Because he thought he was doing something good for his constituents - nevermind that it would be done at the expense of everybody else!

You asked if biblical morality was ever determined by percentage consensus. Well, yes it is. In fact, it always is. What do you not understand about this?

When the Magisterium of the RCC posts doctrinal analysis for the purpose of guiding the moral standards of the Roman Church, do you think they arrive at their policies through perfect unanimity in a state of blissfully divine revelation?

Come ON, JOE! Enough of your coy and feigned idiocy.

“Plays well with others.”

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#25 Apr 1, 2010
Ken 1...Joe 0

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#26 Apr 1, 2010
RevKen wrote:
... You asked if biblical morality was ever determined by percentage consensus. Well, yes it is. In fact, it always is. What do you not understand about this?
When the Magisterium of the RCC posts doctrinal analysis for the purpose of guiding the moral standards of the Roman Church, do you think they arrive at their policies through perfect unanimity in a state of blissfully divine revelation?
Come ON, JOE! Enough of your coy and feigned idiocy.
So the RCC determines biblical morality by vote for everyone, including you?

So how long have you been a "closet Roman"?

“... truth will out.”

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#27 Apr 1, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
Ken 1...Joe 0
On this forum, you are the null set.

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#28 Apr 1, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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On this forum, you are the null set.
I beat you so badly on so many posts that I stopped keeping score long ago.

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#29 Apr 1, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So the RCC determines biblical morality by vote for everyone, including you?
So how long have you been a "closet Roman"?
I don't regard myself as a "closet Roman." Although, that is an amusing descriptive name for an Episcopalian, considering the subject of the conversation.

I more prefer to think of myself as a "fresh-water" Catholic.(Although, I can and have passed as a "salt-water" Catholic. But, one does not generally go where one is not readily recognized as being a member.)

All Christians are catholics. Even those who just find their way to a baptism on their own. You see, Christ welcomed and welcomes everyone who set their feet and heart upon the Way. None of us is any more genuine than any other if our intent is to live in service to God through Christ.

You can be a "TA" and believe the most cockamamie ideas about Creation and the bible and still be a true Christian. You can be an avid golfer, lesbian and pistol-packing Mama like Selecia and still be a true Christian.

But, you cannot be a bigoted, misogynistic, fake Roman Catholic HYPOCRITE bearing an imaginary scepter in the shape of a dildo against all that is Episcopalian like Joe De Caro and still be a true Christian!!!

..........

HaHaHaHaHa!!! April Fools, Joe.

Jesus chained you to the base of the Cross a long time ago and I know it.

I sincerely hope that you have a Happy Easter. TA, too.

Grinning in Christ,

KGC

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#30 Apr 1, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>I beat you so badly on so many posts that I stopped keeping score long ago.
You're truly a legend in your own mind.

“... truth will out.”

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#31 Apr 2, 2010
RevKen wrote:
... Christ welcomed and welcomes everyone who set their feet and heart upon the Way. None of us is any more genuine than any other if our intent is to live in service to God through Christ.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions," but Happy Easter regardless.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#32 Apr 2, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>I beat you so badly on so many posts that I stopped keeping score long ago.
If you run out of fingers, you can always count w/your toes.

Happy Easter.

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LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#33 Apr 2, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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If you run out of fingers, you can always count w/your toes.
Happy Easter.
That will not work as the numbers are EXPONENTIAL!!!!! Joe...that mean way more than you can count on YOUR toes.

“... truth will out.”

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#34 Apr 3, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
... Joe...that mean way more than you can count on YOUR toes.
But at least I can see my toes!

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#35 Apr 3, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions," but Happy Easter regardless.
So, Joe, do you edit this thread with good intentions?

“Plays well with others.”

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LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#36 Apr 3, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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But at least I can see my toes!
Yes, you can as YOUR FOOT is ALWAYS in your MOUTH!!!! You get to see them often. And yes, I see my feet too. They are firmly planted on your backside....as you often need a good kick in the pants.

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