Should Crestwood residents pay for Ch...

Should Crestwood residents pay for Chief T's criminal defense lawyer

Created by Jim Walker on Oct 6, 2011

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Yes, residents should pay

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No way, she should go to jail

wait

Chicago, IL

#530 Jan 7, 2013
Agreed wrote:
<quoted text>I have heard nothing from any candidate. All three need to start putting the positions out. We do not need negative water crap. We all know about it. We want solutions.
The Water scandal is a huge issue! If it wasn't, stranczek would still be running and all the same trustees including Lou would be yesing him to death like always. The water issue is the 1 # concern. There is millions and millions of dollars in law suits on the line here, not to mention our home values. People don't want to move her because of that. Residents can't sell their houses because of its tainted reputation. The Water scandal is the only issue crestwood needs to worry about. This isn't something that's behind us, it's right in our direct path!!! This town is ruined if this isn't handled right! Wake up people think about it!!!
Undecided Voter

Chicago, IL

#531 Jan 7, 2013
Agreed - we need solutions not negative comments and finger pointing. Residents of Crestwood want and demand solutions for our future. Not on here trying to cause a debate just for once would like some positive campaigning! Tell us, the residents, what you're going to do for our village. No one wants to hear about the water anymore, tell us how you will prevent another water scandal or tell us how you plan on getting us out of debt and how are you going to create economic growth and how are you going to get our taxes back etc. As a registered voter, that is what I want to hear.
No Water Scandal

Chicago, IL

#532 Jan 8, 2013
wait wrote:
<quoted text>
The Water scandal is a huge issue! If it wasn't, stranczek would still be running and all the same trustees including Lou would be yesing him to death like always. The water issue is the 1 # concern. There is millions and millions of dollars in law suits on the line here, not to mention our home values. People don't want to move her because of that. Residents can't sell their houses because of its tainted reputation. The Water scandal is the only issue crestwood needs to worry about. This isn't something that's behind us, it's right in our direct path!!! This town is ruined if this isn't handled right! Wake up people think about it!!!
This is a non issue. It is dead time to move on never was bad and no tainted reputation here. It is only in your pea size head.
JIM - Crestwood

Melrose Park, IL

#533 Jan 8, 2013
You have to understand that Mr. Carr and Mr. Toscas are merely bringing to light the problems that the dumb decision of mixing the tainted well water with the city water has done to our Village. It is certainly fair to point out that Mr. Presta was involved in that decision and is responsible for the aftermath. We can all understand that some people have never heard of Presta. Yet, he has been on the Village Board for over 20 years. He is campaigning like he is a newcomer. He is not! Presta is acting like he had nothing to do with the problems our Village is facing because of HIS irresponsible decisions. Those decisions are: 1) he allowed the mixture of the tainted well water with clean water. 2)he voted to pay over 5 Million dollars (so far) to defend this stupid decision. 3) he has voted to pay the criminal legal fees and the civil legal fees of Chief and former public works official. 4) He voted to hire a Public Relations firm for $5000.00 per month. 5) He voted to have an outside company take over the Crestwood Adviser and pay the company more money than when it was done by employees. Lou Presta is the last person who should be running our Village!
concerned american

Morris, IL

#534 Jan 8, 2013
A Posioned Resident wrote:
I am not a sad American Citizen. I pay my taxes,I vote, and I question our govermental leaders and hold them accountable. I have also served faithfully in the military and in addition have served on a jury. I support our honest police, firemen and military servicemen. I despise bad cops who lie, cheat and abuse their authority. They hold a position of public trust and should never betray the public.
I hope I get called to serve on the jury who hears the Crestwood case.
<quoted text>
So you are SURE that you have all the TRUE FACTS! That's the problem with this country anymore. I thought you were supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I wonder how anyone would fell if someone close to them was falsely accused to protect the higher ups!
Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy

Chicago, IL

#535 Jan 9, 2013
JIM - Crestwood wrote:
You have to understand that Mr. Carr and Mr. Toscas are merely bringing to light the problems that the dumb decision of mixing the tainted well water with the city water has done to our Village. It is certainly fair to point out that Mr. Presta was involved in that decision and is responsible for the aftermath. We can all understand that some people have never heard of Presta. Yet, he has been on the Village Board for over 20 years. He is campaigning like he is a newcomer. He is not! Presta is acting like he had nothing to do with the problems our Village is facing because of HIS irresponsible decisions. Those decisions are: 1) he allowed the mixture of the tainted well water with clean water. 2)he voted to pay over 5 Million dollars (so far) to defend this stupid decision. 3) he has voted to pay the criminal legal fees and the civil legal fees of Chief and former public works official. 4) He voted to hire a Public Relations firm for $5000.00 per month. 5) He voted to have an outside company take over the Crestwood Adviser and pay the company more money than when it was done by employees. Lou Presta is the last person who should be running our Village!
Well if you are going to blame Presta for all of the alleged problems then you must also give him credit for being on the board when the tax rebates were given back to the residents. Over 50 million dollars back to the residents. Also he deserves credit for low crime rate, low vehicle stickers and no charge for residential garbage pickup. No town does that.
So far the IEPA and EPA are saying the water was safe and no one was ever in danger. That is probably why no one has been charged with any crimes over your alleged allegations. Go look it up for yourself.
We had to defend the village. What should we do sit back and let the lawsuits go? Remember both the IEPA and EPA have said the water was safe. If we didn’t defend the village what would have happened?
If the workers were doing their jobs and are being charged it is our obligation to defend them. Just like if someone accused you of wrong doing at your job say as a Wal-Mart greeter and you were innocent don’t you think Wal-Mart has to defend you?
I fully support having a PR person. I have owned my home in the village for over 27 years. We need some positive PR to save our property values and attract other business. Look at our mall hardly any vacancies. No go look at other nearby towns and look at all the vacant store fronts. It is money well spent. We should have had a PR person years ago. Most towns have a full time staff to do this task. So this is a bargain 5,000 per month. Remember no benefits, pension. It is a lot cheaper than hiring a full time staff.
And I had to laugh. I go to the Biela center and the wellness center. The people love the new layout of our Advisor. It looks so much more professional. Why would you complain about advancement or improvement of something?
wait

Blue Island, IL

#536 Jan 9, 2013
Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>Well if you are going to blame Presta for all of the alleged problems then you must also give him credit for being on the board when the tax rebates were given back to the residents. Over 50 million dollars back to the residents. Also he deserves credit for low crime rate, low vehicle stickers and no charge for residential garbage pickup. No town does that.
So far the IEPA and EPA are saying the water was safe and no one was ever in danger. That is probably why no one has been charged with any crimes over your alleged allegations. Go look it up for yourself.
We had to defend the village. What should we do sit back and let the lawsuits go? Remember both the IEPA and EPA have said the water was safe. If we didn’t defend the village what would have happened?
If the workers were doing their jobs and are being charged it is our obligation to defend them. Just like if someone accused you of wrong doing at your job say as a Wal-Mart greeter and you were innocent don’t you think Wal-Mart has to defend you?
I fully support having a PR person. I have owned my home in the village for over 27 years. We need some positive PR to save our property values and attract other business. Look at our mall hardly any vacancies. No go look at other nearby towns and look at all the vacant store fronts. It is money well spent. We should have had a PR person years ago. Most towns have a full time staff to do this task. So this is a bargain 5,000 per month. Remember no benefits, pension. It is a lot cheaper than hiring a full time staff.
And I had to laugh. I go to the Biela center and the wellness center. The people love the new layout of our Advisor. It looks so much more professional. Why would you complain about advancement or improvement of something?
Well first and foremost what you're saying is that the his goods out weigh the bads and that is just false. Say someone feeds you meals, gives you a place to stay and gives you $50,000 in cash! Then the next day the person that gave you all that stuff shoots you in the head and kills you! Now, Everyone (in their right mind) would say that that person was a piece of trash, a killer, murderer ect. But what you're saying is "oh well he did all that good stuff prior to that so, he's a good person". Well your wrong!!! Presta was there when they allowed contaminated water to be consumed and people may have or may not have gotten cancer from it. That is still to be determined!!! But one thing we know for certain, that well should never have been used for drinking, and it was!!! Now for your PR firm! If that same murderer then uses taxpayer money to spread positive PR SPIN to the residents and lie to there faces about what happened there is a big problem with that. They haven't used that pr firm to promote the village. It was all about water and they were telling the residents that it was all a lie and we were safe. Bullshit!! The EPA said that the water had vinyl chloride in!! That's a fact!!! Vinyl Chloride has a ZERO Safe Consumption Level!!! That is fact!! Don't tell people to look it up when you didn't bother too. Your the only one on here spreading lies and you sound a lot like you're the PR firm coming on here writing for LOU. That's what they were hired for anyway. This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They Indicated this people because what was done SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE!!! Wake Up MORON!!!! Oh and our crime rate was and is through the roof!! Our mayor just didn't report major crimes to the newspapers or other body's that every other town does. Again that is facts.
Long Time Resident

Oak Forest, IL

#537 Jan 9, 2013
wait wrote:
<quoted text>
Well first and foremost what you're saying is that the his goods out weigh the bads and that is just false. Say someone feeds you meals, gives you a place to stay and gives you $50,000 in cabe consumed and people may have or may not have gotten cancer from it. That is still to be determined!!! But one thing we know for certain, that well should never have been used for drinking, and it was!!! Now for your PR firm! If that same murderer then uses taxpayer money to spread positive PR SPIN to the residents and lie to there faces about what happened there is a big problem with that. They haven't used that pr firm to promote the village. It was all about water and they were telling the residents that it was all a lie and we were safe. Bullshit!! The EPA said that the water had vinyl chloride in!! That's a fact!!! Vinyl Chloride has a ZERO Safe Consumption Level!!! That is fact!! Don't tell people to look it up when you didn't bother too. Your the only one on here spreading lies and you sound a lot like you're the PR firm coming on here writing for LOU. That's what they were hired for anyway. This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They Indicated this people because what was done SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE!!! Wake Up MORON!!!! Oh and our crime rate was and is through the roof!! Our mayor just didn't report major crimes to the newspapers or other body's that every other town does. Again that is facts.
Ok let’s keep this REAL. If you shoot someone that is a major CRIME. It is a very stupid analogy.
What crime has Presta been charged with? I just found out, it is not against the law to mix the water. I looked it up and the other people’s claims are correct. The IEPA and EPA have said the water is and was always safe was once again no crime. If there was a crime committed by Presta why has he not been charged? If the well was so bad why did the IEPA say it was ok to use in an emergency?
Once again your murder analogy is just a dumb analogy. You are building a case for a PR firm with your post right here. We cannot sink the ship to prove a point. If what you are saying is all true then why are you against trying to rebuild the reputation for our town? The other guy is 100% correct. Other towns have full time personnel that their sole purpose is to promote the town. This is a lot cheaper. We need now more than ever to try and turn our reputation around. 5,000 a month is a very small fee to save the town. That is being very shortsighted on your part.
The EPA did say there was a very minute finding of vinyl chloride. It also said the water was safe. It would take someone 70 years drinking 4 or 5 quarts of water STRAIGHT FROM THE WELL to get a 1/10,000 chance of acquiring cancer. Come on man in today’s modern day world you have a much great chace getting cancer walking through a recently fertilized field. Now I am going to cut you off at the pass. The IEPA allows minute parts of vinyl chloride in their testing. The EPA goes above and beyond that because it MAY have cancer causing agents in it. That is all facts go look them up for yourself.
The people were indicted for improper record keeping. That is right improper record keeping nothing else.
As far as your crime I have lived in Crestwood for 33 years we have crime. Every town has crime but it is not that bad. That is a fact and it is straight.
As far as the crime reporting you are correct. For what ever reason all petty crime are not reported to the media. All major crime are reported because it is in the news. As for me I do not agree with reporting all crimes. It gives busy body neighbors information to gossip about residents. Did you see Marge was arrested for drunk driving. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and I see no value in reporting Marge’s drunk driving arrest.
Long Time Resident

Oak Forest, IL

#538 Jan 9, 2013
wait wrote:
<quoted text>
Well first and foremost what you're saying is that the his goods out weigh the bads and that is just false. Say someone feeds you meals, gives you a pl we know for certain, that well should ne Your the only one on here spreading lies and you sound a lot like you're the PR firm coming on here writing for LOU. That's what they were hired for anyway. This isn't some sort of conspiracy. They Indicated this people because what was done SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE!!! Wake Up MORON!!!! Oh and our crime rate was and is through the roof!! Our mayor just didn't report major crimes to the newspapers or other body's that every other town does. Again that is facts.
Ok let’s keep this REAL. If you shoot someone that is a major CRIME. It is a very stupid analogy.
What crime has Presta been charged with? I just found out, it is not against the law to mix the water. I looked it up and the other people’s claims are correct. The IEPA and EPA have said the water is and was always safe was once again no crime. If there was a crime committed by Presta why has he not been charged? If the well was so bad why did the IEPA say it was ok to use in an emergency?
Once again your murder analogy is just a dumb analogy. You are building a case for a PR firm with your post right here. We cannot sink the ship to prove a point. If what you are saying is all true then why are you against trying to rebuild the reputation for our town? The other guy is 100% correct. Other towns have full time personnel that their sole purpose is to promote the town. This is a lot cheaper. We need now more than ever to try and turn our reputation around. 5,000 a month is a very small fee to save the town. That is being very shortsighted on your part.
The EPA did say there was a very minute finding of vinyl chloride. It also said the water was safe. It would take someone 70 years drinking 4 or 5 quarts of water STRAIGHT FROM THE WELL to get a 1/10,000 chance of acquiring cancer. Come on man in today’s modern day world you have a much great chace getting cancer walking through a recently fertilized field. Now I am going to cut you off at the pass. The IEPA allows minute parts of vinyl chloride in their testing. The EPA goes above and beyond that because it MAY have cancer causing agents in it. That is all facts go look them up for yourself.
The people were indicted for improper record keeping. That is right improper record keeping nothing else.
As far as your crime I have lived in Crestwood for 33 years we have crime. Every town has crime but it is not that bad. That is a fact and it is straight.
As far as the crime reporting you are correct. For what ever reason all petty crime are not reported to the media. All major crime are reported because it is in the news. As for me I do not agree with reporting all crimes. It gives busy body neighbors information to gossip about residents. Did you see Marge was arrested for drunk driving. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and I see no value in reporting Marge’s drunk driving arrest.
Dont Understand

Pearland, TX

#539 Jan 9, 2013
I don't mean to sound stupid here but why does 1 goverment agency not allow any vinyl chloride in their testing and another agenct allows trace amounts? It just doesn't make any sense either it is bad or it isnt.Also why if the well was bad would any goverment agency give permission tou use the well for emergencies. This just doesn't make sense.
Firefighter

Midlothian, IL

#541 Jan 9, 2013
Dont Understand wrote:
I don't mean to sound stupid here but why does 1 goverment agency not allow any vinyl chloride in their testing and another agenct allows trace amounts? It just doesn't make any sense either it is bad or it isnt.Also why if the well was bad would any goverment agency give permission tou use the well for emergencies. This just doesn't make sense.
The emergencies was for fires.
Dont Understand

Pearland, TX

#542 Jan 9, 2013
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text>The emergencies was for fires.
ok please don't call me dumb but even if there was a fire and they used the well wouldn't that water still make it to our faucets in the home?
Let me help you

Lansing, IL

#543 Jan 9, 2013
Dont Understand wrote:
<quoted text> ok please don't call me dumb but even if there was a fire and they used the well wouldn't that water still make it to our faucets in the home?
Understand it was meant for any type of watr source.
Would you

Midlothian, IL

#544 Jan 9, 2013
Long Time Resident wrote:
<quoted text>Ok let’s keep this REAL. If you shoot someone that is a major CRIME. It is a very stupid analogy.
What crime has Presta been charged with? I just found out, it is not against the law to mix the water. I looked it up and the other people’s claims are correct. The IEPA and EPA have said the water is and was always safe was once again no crime. If there was a crime committed by Presta why has he not been charged? If the well was so bad why did the IEPA say it was ok to use in an emergency?
Once again your murder analogy is just a dumb analogy. You are building a case for a PR firm with your post right here. We cannot sink the ship to prove a point. If what you are saying is all true then why are you against trying to rebuild the reputation for our town? The other guy is 100% correct. Other towns have full time personnel that their sole purpose is to promote the town. This is a lot cheaper. We need now more than ever to try and turn our reputation around. 5,000 a month is a very small fee to save the town. That is being very shortsighted on your part.
The EPA did say there was a very minute finding of vinyl chloride. It also said the water was safe. It would take someone 70 years drinking 4 or 5 quarts of water STRAIGHT FROM THE WELL to get a 1/10,000 chance of acquiring cancer. Come on man in today’s modern day world you have a much great chace getting cancer walking through a recently fertilized field. Now I am going to cut you off at the pass. The IEPA allows minute parts of vinyl chloride in their testing. The EPA goes above and beyond that because it MAY have cancer causing agents in it. That is all facts go look them up for yourself.
The people were indicted for improper record keeping. That is right improper record keeping nothing else.
As far as your crime I have lived in Crestwood for 33 years we have crime. Every town has crime but it is not that bad. That is a fact and it is straight.
As far as the crime reporting you are correct. For what ever reason all petty crime are not reported to the media. All major crime are reported because it is in the news. As for me I do not agree with reporting all crimes. It gives busy body neighbors information to gossip about residents. Did you see Marge was arrested for drunk driving. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and I see no value in reporting Marge’s drunk driving arrest.
If they turned the well back on today would you let your loveones drink it. Tell the truth.Gossip like joe blows house down street was robbed last night
Mad As Hell

Blue Island, IL

#545 Jan 9, 2013
Would you wrote:
<quoted text>If they turned the well back on today would you let your loveones drink it. Tell the truth.Gossip like joe blows house down street was robbed last night
I am mad.I wish they would turn the well on. Our class action suit was thrown out.I wanted some money. Maybe if they turned the well back on we could sue again.I really thought us residents hit the jackpot.
red herring

Midlothian, IL

#546 Jan 10, 2013
Dont Understand wrote:
<quoted text> ok please don't call me dumb but even if there was a fire and they used the well wouldn't that water still make it to our faucets in the home?
They just said it was for emergencies so they could say this is why we have a well. The IEPA said turn the well off the village said ok but we will keep it for emergencies. Its was all b.s
you know

Midlothian, IL

#547 Jan 10, 2013
Mad As Hell wrote:
<quoted text>I am mad.I wish they would turn the well on. Our class action suit was thrown out.I wanted some money. Maybe if they turned the well back on we could sue again.I really thought us residents hit the jackpot.
You know I know we all know the lawsuits were not thrown out.I think its a waste of our money but lieing about it will not make them go away.
Dont Understand

Irving, TX

#548 Jan 10, 2013
red herring wrote:
<quoted text>They just said it was for emergencies so they could say this is why we have a well. The IEPA said turn the well off the village said ok but we will keep it for emergencies. Its was all b.s
Could you please site your reliable source?
Dont Understand

Irving, TX

#549 Jan 10, 2013
you know wrote:
<quoted text> You know I know we all know the lawsuits were not thrown out.I think its a waste of our money but lieing about it will not make them go away.
it is not a lie I have been redearching this issue the Tribune and the Southtownstar/Sun Times have articles on it.
would you

Midlothian, IL

#550 Jan 10, 2013
Would you wrote:
<quoted text>If they turned the well back on today would you let your loveones drink it. Tell the truth.Gossip like joe blows house down street was robbed last night
thought so

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