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Palin's Alleged Library Censorship Opens Up Wider Debate

There are 26 comments on the EDGEphiladelphia.com News Feed story from Sep 25, 2008, titled Palin's Alleged Library Censorship Opens Up Wider Debate. In it, EDGEphiladelphia.com News Feed reports that:

Past actions by Sarah Palin as the mayor of a small Alaskan city have ignited a wider debate as to the role of public libraries, socially progressive authors and conservative organizations.

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LIES AND SCHIZOPHRENIA

Manheim, PA

#1 Sep 26, 2008
McCain just told the biggest lie of his campaign, McCain told voters he was going to Washington and would not leave or campaign until legislation on bailout was finished.

Well bailout legislation is not finished and McCain is going to the debate. McCain is the biggest liar in a Presidential camapaign.

McCains lies and schizophrenic decisions.
Richard S

United States

#2 Sep 26, 2008
Why is McCain even going to the debate? According to his website, he has already won the debate.
Think the old guy needs a nap.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Raleigh, NC

#3 Sep 26, 2008
One interesting fact about Obama's college days that is left out of the conversation is his Father Obama Sr. was a Harvard Alum which would help "grandfather" (or "break a tie") Obama Jr into the school through their "Legacy" program.

Could this be the or one of the reasons why Obama refused to release his college records?

Did Obama get into Harvard the Same Way GW Bush got into Yale?

Just a thought...

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#4 Sep 26, 2008
The laughing liberal wrote:
One interesting fact about Obama's college days that is left out of the conversation is his Father Obama Sr. was a Harvard Alum which would help "grandfather" (or "break a tie") Obama Jr into the school through their "Legacy" program.
Could this be the or one of the reasons why Obama refused to release his college records?
Did Obama get into Harvard the Same Way GW Bush got into Yale?
Just a thought...
And your point is? This happens all the time.The only difference is that Obama graduated way at tyhe top of his class and Bush was a frickn "C" student!!!!

JWG

Since: Jul 08

Williamsburg

#5 Sep 26, 2008
USA TORTURES POWS

Harrisburg, PA

#6 Sep 26, 2008
Republicans may think McCain won but going on National tv in front of millions of viewers from the US and foreign leaders and not one but twice declare that the US does not abide by the Geneva Convention and tortures prisoners. John McCain just gave every country in every war the green light to torture US Military POWS. If you think McCain won I disagree, A US Senator just verified that the US tortures POWS twice in the debate.
Wasilla Resident

Chicago, IL

#7 Sep 26, 2008
Do not believe Palin propganda lies aginst her former brother in-law!

Matt Damon, who was smart enough to enter Harvard and is highly intelligent, says what is on the mind of many, if not most Americans. He raises valid points.

Besides, anybody who abuses their position of power to try to have fired a former brother in-law and fires a Commissioner simply because of personal vendettas and not on the basis of job merits is unethical, untrustoworthy and unfit to be a heart-beat from the highest office in the Land.
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#8 Sep 27, 2008
Freedom?
Obama Campaign Threaten Legal Action Over NRA Ads

Thursday, September 25, 2008

Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF).

The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running.

“Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the truth,” declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF.“Sen. Obama's statements and support for restricting access to firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and hunting.”

The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama's anti-gun record.

Obama Campaign Cease and Desist Letter

NRA-PVF Response Memo

NRA-PVF Response to Washington Post “fact check”

“Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in our nation's history. That's the truth,” concluded Cox.“NRA-PVF has the facts on our side. No amount of running from or lying about his record and then intimidating news outlets in the hope of deceiving American gun owners and hunters is going to work. Those strong arm tactics may work in Chicago, but not in Pennsylvania and Ohio, and not as long as NRA-PVF has anything to say about it.”

--nra - pvf--

Established in 1871, the National Rifle Association is America’s oldest civil rights and sportsmen's group. Four million members strong, NRA continues to uphold the Second Amendment and advocates enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation's leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the armed services.

Find this item at: http://www.nrapvf.org/news/Read.aspx...
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#9 Sep 27, 2008
http://www.factcheck.org/search/
Sliming Palin
September 8, 2008
Updated: September 9, 2008
False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate.
Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.
Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.
She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.
Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.
Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
We'll be looking into other charges in an e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.
Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by Kilkenny. Only one of the claims – about the librarian's firing – was similar to an item in that e-mail. We regret the error.
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#10 Sep 27, 2008
Clarification: The summary originally said that Palin "tripled" per-student funding. The bill Palin signed will triple per-student funding for what Alaska calls "intensive needs" students, but has not done so yet. We also reworded that sentence to make clear the tripling is for funding for special needs students with particularly high costs. Special needs funding overall increased as well.
Analysis
Since Republican presidential nominee John McCain tapped Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, information about Palin's past has been zipping around the Internet. Several claims are not true, and other rumors are misleading.
No Cut for "Special Needs" Kids
It's not true, as widely reported in mass e-mails, Web postings and at least one mainstream news source, that Palin slashed the special education budget in Alaska by 62 percent. CNN's Soledad O'Brien made the claim on Sept. 4 in an interview with Nicolle Wallace, a senior adviser to the McCain campaign:
O'Brien, Sept. 4: One are that has gotten certainly people sending to me a lot of e-mails is the question about as governor what she did with the special needs budget, which I'm sure you're aware, she cut significantly, 62 percent I think is the number from when she came into office. As a woman who is now a mother to a special needs child, and I think she actually has a nephew which is autistic as well. How much of a problem is this going to be as she tries to navigate both sides of that issue?
Such a move might have made Palin look heartless or hypocritical in view of her convention-speech pledge to be an advocate for special needs children and their families. But in fact, she increased special needs funding so dramatically that a representative of local school boards described the jump as "historic."
According to an April 2008 article in Education Week, Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding. In particular, it would increase spending for certain special needs students that Alaska calls "intensive needs" (students with high-cost special requirements) from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 per student in 2011. That almost triples the per-student spending in three fiscal years. Palin's original proposal, according to the Anchorage Daily News, would have increased funds slightly more, giving intensive needs students a $77,740 allotment by 2011.
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#11 Sep 27, 2008
the eye

Paso Robles, CA

#12 Sep 27, 2008
According to an analysis by Congressional Quarterly, McCain has voted for bills favored by President Bush 90 percent of the time. The nonpartisan publication, which has analyzed voting by members of Congress since 1953, said the report took into account all legislation that Bush had taken a clear position on. It spans from the beginning of Bush's term to Congress's recess in August.
lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#13 Sep 27, 2008
OK, did anyone ever consider that some of the statements might be true, some false, some incomplete, some misleading - a whole variety of possibilities, in the case of almost any statemtn. According to a reputable fact-check - the story on the special needs cut was not correct. There was some shifting around in the budget. She did not demand that books be banned. She asked the librarian about it three times, according to the story on this topic. also according to the article, the librarian resisted giving her any encouragement about banning books. Also according to the article, a certain book was being attacked in Palin's church at that time, and copies of that book were stolen from the shelves and never returned.(that was easier than banning them, one supposes!) Palin fired the librarian. There was community outrage and protest, and the librarian was rehired. Palin made up some lame excuse for firing the librarian - similar to the lame excuse which she used as governor for firing the guy who would not fire her ex-brother in law when she asked him to - in violation of rules and regulations. She was not a member of the alaskan Independence Party. Her husband was. They both attended at least one of its meetings. She did a nice welcoming video message for their state convention which is posted on youtube. She also talks about Alaska as a place of refuge in the times of tribulation on youtube, in the church videos that survive! Many of the church videos disappeared quickly when people inquired about them after she was chosen to be VP. Some are surfacing and showing what a right-wing nut religious church it is - also how the male ministers love the excuse to put their hands on her. Wonder if that's where the original motive for laying on of hands came from? An excuse for ministers to put long lingering hands on hottie females? Sorry, I'm very suspicious these days. The regular minister may be almost as nuts as the witch-hunter, but maybe not as evil , unless he too ran an old woman out of some town by persecuting her and accusing her of witchcraft, like the Kenyan missionary preacher did -- the one who blessed Sarah, and whom she is so grateful to. Just watch the youtube videos. They aren't fake - like the bikini photo! Steve Forbes is nearly as nuts as Buchanan, and Buchanan loves her.
lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#14 Sep 27, 2008
The site cited by Aneee is reputable. It is Annenburg. Where have you heard that name before? It also points out all the lies that McCain and Palin and others tell about Obama and Biden. Most of the misstatements about Palin do not originate from the Obama campaign. Many lies about Biden and Obama do originate with the McCain campaign and with McCain and Palin personally, in speeches and ads. The article that heads this topic tells much more detail about the librarian episode and is worth reading carefully. The fact remains that Palin wants the trooper-firing-request episode to be investigated secretly by people she appointed, and will not cooperate with an open, public-accountable (a report was to be released before the election) investigation already ordered by the Alaska legislature, and which she had prviously pledged to cooperate with - before she became the McCain vP choice. The other stuff about her - the church stuff - is on video, and is clearly her. She can't deny that! The stuff about how she behaved when she was allegedly going to have the baby is also documented - the long flight to Alaska, the trip past two full-service superior hospitals, etc. Was that responsible behavior for the mother-to-be of a handicapped child who might need special attention? The video of Sarah Palin : killkillkill, and the discussions about her love of bloodsport hunting from helicopters is also not a fiction. Just because some stories critical of her are not true, does not mean that all are not true. Further, in the light of the lies about Obama, the people who complain about misstatements about Palin are hardly likely to be defenders of the truth and the whole truth - else they would send us to the Annenberg site and other reputable fact-checker sites, to look at all sorts of misleading statements, misunderstandings, lies, and misinterpretations, from a variety of sources, against a variety of targets. I do not mind at all when misstatements are corrected. there are enough true things bad about McCain and Palin, one does not have to rely on anything that is not true. One can raise questions about allegations which are unanswered, however! One can raise other questions - not outright accusations - regarding whatever one wishes. Especially when one does not work for Obama, and does not have to obey his requirement that his employees not discuss any personal stuff about McCain or Palin. If Obama's mother "had to marry" Obama's father, and Sarah Palin "had to marry" her husband, and Sarh's daightrer
'has to marry" her boyfriend for example, is this not a wonderful opportunity not to put any more stigma on unmaarried girls who get pregnant? Both sides have their incidents - so let's not be nasty to any of them! That is great progress. No double standard permitted, same rule for young unmarried women of all races, colors, faiths, ethnicity, nationalities. But protect them from statutory rape, which we don't seem to be doing in the FLDS case, and did not do in the Koresh case. In Arkansas, sometimng seems to be going on to protect young women from that guy. And maybe we can discuss safe and effective birth control, as well as abstinence, in an enlightened modern age? Maybe talk to girls about the freer, more varied and adventurous, world-exploring, self-actualizing life they can live if they do not have a baby too young, or marry too young, or both? But never, never attach a nasty stigma to them. Is that a fair proposal? Maybe we should use this situation to reach that agreement, instead of pretending the situation does not exist!
lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#15 Sep 27, 2008
the eye wrote:
According to an analysis by Congressional Quarterly, McCain has voted for bills favored by President Bush 90 percent of the time. The nonpartisan publication, which has analyzed voting by members of Congress since 1953, said the report took into account all legislation that Bush had taken a clear position on. It spans from the beginning of Bush's term to Congress's recess in August.
Thank you. CQ is a professional, accurate, non-partisan source.
Joey

New Orleans, LA

#16 Sep 27, 2008
Doesn't this freakin scare you guys???? Truth Squads???? Is this still the USA??? Or is this China???

Washington D C

United States

#18 Sep 28, 2008
Washington D C

United States

#19 Sep 28, 2008
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#20 Sep 30, 2008
A READER AT A MAJOR NEWSROOM EMAILS: "Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working." I asked permission to reprint without attribution and it was granted.

UPDATE: The Anchoress hears similar things. < http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/29/the-... ; And reader Eric Schubert: "The Edwards debacle was proof enough of where the heart of the MSM lies, and lack of curiousity of the press about Edwards probably cost Hillary the nomination. And that shameful episode offers a warning to the MSM. What if Obama does have a skeleton in his closet (such as a shady deal or outright bribe) that is revealed after he wins the election? While the chance of this scenario is remote, imagine the backlash against the MSM if it could be shown that a reasonable investigation by the MSM would have easily revealed this secret to the public prior to the election?"

ANOTHER UPDATE: Rand Simberg isn't so sure: "Where was the backlash against this about Bill Clinton in 1992? They just seem to continue to get away with it." Well, yes and no. Their reputation and readership/viewership keep falling. And layoffs keep happening. I think they're willing to pull out all the stops because they realize this is the last election where they have a chance at swinging things this way. No point saving your credibility for the future when you don't have a future, I guess ....

posted at 09:22 PM by *Glenn Reynolds*
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#21 Sep 30, 2008

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