California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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#12946 Nov 12, 2012
Mr Anderson wrote:
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so no studies?/ huh??
from your side of the arguement I mean...
your clumping everyone together??
how is that fair?/
how do you know the difference between how weed or tobacco effects your lungs??/ do you have any studies?? NO??
ciggarettes are full of ADDED carcinogens.....while weed is pure and natural.
and they just legalized it in two states....so you haters are losing.
if anything??....those chemys cause the cancer.
actually, I'm so confident that marijuana is bad for you that I'm willing to let you users have it your way for a while.

the way I see it, good riddance.

when the shit hits the fan, it'll be easy to just take the money off you bums. it'll be easy money.

get it? while you smokers are drunk from the marijuana, I'll just club you over the head and take your money. it'll be fun. like a turkey shoot. can't wait for it to be legalized.

studies? there are many. but hey. why bother to list them when you drug addicts won't read them?
Bruno24

Brussels, Belgium

#12947 Nov 13, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>More BS and nonsense. Smoking anything is not good for your lungs. I should have the right to breath smoke free air. people smoking weed often breathe very deeply, and hold the smoke in their lungs for a length of time. This way of smoking allows the carcinogens to have prolonged contact with the cells of the lungs.
marijuana smoke acts as an irritant to the lung tissue, which can cause a cough and an increased production of mucus. The irritants may also prevent the lungs from clearing infectious agents, increasing the frequency of lung infections.
smoking weed drastically increases heart rate by 20 to 100 percent. This increase in heart rate can last up to three hours
Smoking weed also may cause the heart to beat irregularly. Research has shown a definite link between heart disease and smoking marijuana. A study by S Jayanthi and colleagues from the National Institutes of Health on May 13, 2008 in the journal "Molecular Psychiatry" demonstrated the first link between smoking marijuana and heart disease. The researchers tested blood from multiple marijuana users and showed that they had high levels of a protein that is a proven risk factor for heart disease.
Want safe pot, consume it, don't smoke it.
What you say is not confirmed by the statistical studies, when done seriously. yes, the tar of pot contains dangerous product. No, this is not reflected in the population of smokers, and this can be explained by the strong anti-cancer agent that is also contained in the marijuana smoke. yes, smoke in the lungs is irritant, but the average quantity of smoke for a consumer of pot, without tobacco, is ridiculously small compared to cigarette smoking. In case of tobacco, it is easy to take it orally, but the oral consumption of cannabis transformed THC into 11-hydroxy THC, by the liver, and this is 12X more potent, and the effect last a much longer time, so many people prefer to smoke it because they control better the effect, and there is no problem with the lungs that has ever been associated with MJ. It is of course not 100% safe, but smoking cannabis is still safer than taking aspirin, consuming too much fruits, or breathing in most large cities, not talking about consuming alcohol or tobacco. Then the difficulty to convince the youth to not mix cannabis and tobacco is made virtually impossible by the prohibition and demonization of cannabis. Cannabis remains much safer than many legal products, both as a medication for many diseases, and as a recreative relaxant for handling the modern stressing struggle.
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#12948 Nov 13, 2012
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
actually, I'm so confident that marijuana is bad for you that I'm willing to let you users have it your way for a while.
the way I see it, good riddance.
when the shit hits the fan, it'll be easy to just take the money off you bums. it'll be easy money.
get it? while you smokers are drunk from the marijuana, I'll just club you over the head and take your money. it'll be fun. like a turkey shoot. can't wait for it to be legalized.
studies? there are many. but hey. why bother to list them when you drug addicts won't read them?
I thought you might have something interesting to say....

I was wrong...

so youre straight?? and you are advocating a crime??

meanwhile?/ you call us a bunch of criminals??

WTF> you are major hypocrit.

get a clue....

the federal gvernment has all those drugs schedualed the same way for a reason.....and it has nothing to do with public health or saftey..

if it did? alcohol would be HIGHLY illegal.

and we all know how well that turned out....

about as well a 75 years of pot prohibition.

you say you cant wait for it to be legalized??

why is that?? when you are a major hater...??

it already has been legalized....

and you havnt "rolled" any stoners yet??

I postulate that you are a giant pussy who would never say a bad word to anyone for fear of being beat up.
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#12949 Nov 13, 2012
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
actually, I'm so confident that marijuana is bad for you that I'm willing to let you users have it your way for a while.
the way I see it, good riddance.
when the shit hits the fan, it'll be easy to just take the money off you bums. it'll be easy money.
get it? while you smokers are drunk from the marijuana, I'll just club you over the head and take your money. it'll be fun. like a turkey shoot. can't wait for it to be legalized.
studies? there are many. but hey. why bother to list them when you drug addicts won't read them?
you do realize that marijuana doesnt get you "drunk" ??

if you reach into a sleeping stoners pocket...??
you are likely to wake him up....

at which time you will have to explain, why you are trying to get gay with him.
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#12950 Nov 13, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
What you say is not confirmed by the statistical studies, when done seriously. yes, the tar of pot contains dangerous product. No, this is not reflected in the population of smokers, and this can be explained by the strong anti-cancer agent that is also contained in the marijuana smoke. yes, smoke in the lungs is irritant, but the average quantity of smoke for a consumer of pot, without tobacco, is ridiculously small compared to cigarette smoking. In case of tobacco, it is easy to take it orally, but the oral consumption of cannabis transformed THC into 11-hydroxy THC, by the liver, and this is 12X more potent, and the effect last a much longer time, so many people prefer to smoke it because they control better the effect, and there is no problem with the lungs that has ever been associated with MJ. It is of course not 100% safe, but smoking cannabis is still safer than taking aspirin, consuming too much fruits, or breathing in most large cities, not talking about consuming alcohol or tobacco. Then the difficulty to convince the youth to not mix cannabis and tobacco is made virtually impossible by the prohibition and demonization of cannabis. Cannabis remains much safer than many legal products, both as a medication for many diseases, and as a recreative relaxant for handling the modern stressing struggle.
mixing weed and tobacco is more a euro thing.

we like our herbs straight....
Big D

Modesto, CA

#12951 Nov 13, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Can you explain what you meant by "control it". You write nonsense then run from it, why is that? Because of the fragility of a Leftist's ego, anything that threatens it is intolerable and provokes rage.
I was referring to your earlier comment about others trying to tell you what was "good for you" for you, when it is actually you that is trying to control it for others.

I don’t happen to use or am I interested in using this substance for myself. But I have no desire to try and control what others are allowed to do.

I have never heard an argument against it, that could not also be applied to things that are legal.

I don’t see a point in having a law just for the sake of having the law.
CareBear

La Puente, CA

#12952 Nov 13, 2012
The state of AZ has some of the worst voting laws in the nation.

A final tally of votes gave Democratic candidate Kyrsten Sinema the edge over her GOP rival to represent a new Phoenix-area district.
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#12953 Nov 13, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I was referring to your earlier comment about others trying to tell you what was "good for you" for you, when it is actually you that is trying to control it for others.
I don’t happen to use or am I interested in using this substance for myself. But I have no desire to try and control what others are allowed to do.
I have never heard an argument against it, that could not also be applied to things that are legal.
I don’t see a point in having a law just for the sake of having the law.
you just put your finger on the schizm between reality and fantasy.

riccardo, as he sees himself??

is a libertarian....

but that applies only to himself, and others who are "checked out" around him.... and he calls himself a patriot.?

but the rest of us are just a bunch of lazy "moochers"

that need welfare to survive.
Republic

La Puente, CA

#12954 Nov 13, 2012
Get informed by split pea: http://www.infowars.com/
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#12955 Nov 13, 2012
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I was referring to your earlier comment about others trying to tell you what was "good for you" for you, when it is actually you that is trying to control it for others.
I don’t happen to use or am I interested in using this substance for myself. But I have no desire to try and control what others are allowed to do.
I have never heard an argument against it, that could not also be applied to things that are legal.
I don’t see a point in having a law just for the sake of having the law.
So other people should be able to do what ever they want? You don't mind if your neighbor had a grow operation? And constantly smoking pot in their yard? Or crack? whatever? It's basically legal now with the medical pot, anyone over 21 can get a card. My point was smoking anything is not healthy. There are other ways to consume it. If legal, you will still have cops busting people growing it, I'm sure you won't be able to grow 100's of plants in your home. Cops will still be busting people selling it cheaper on the streets.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#12956 Nov 13, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
What you say is not confirmed by the statistical studies, when done seriously. yes, the tar of pot contains dangerous product. No, this is not reflected in the population of smokers, and this can be explained by the strong anti-cancer agent that is also contained in the marijuana smoke. yes, smoke in the lungs is irritant, but the average quantity of smoke for a consumer of pot, without tobacco, is ridiculously small compared to cigarette smoking. In case of tobacco, it is easy to take it orally, but the oral consumption of cannabis transformed THC into 11-hydroxy THC, by the liver, and this is 12X more potent, and the effect last a much longer time, so many people prefer to smoke it because they control better the effect, and there is no problem with the lungs that has ever been associated with MJ. It is of course not 100% safe, but smoking cannabis is still safer than taking aspirin, consuming too much fruits, or breathing in most large cities, not talking about consuming alcohol or tobacco. Then the difficulty to convince the youth to not mix cannabis and tobacco is made virtually impossible by the prohibition and demonization of cannabis. Cannabis remains much safer than many legal products, both as a medication for many diseases, and as a recreative relaxant for handling the modern stressing struggle.
BS...of course it's better then smoking cigarettes, but smoking anything is not good for you. Most people that smoke pot are not occasional and also breath deep holding it in. A lot of those tests you read are not done like that. Check out what the medical field says and not what the advocates say. Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking. How many people are having heart attacks because of pot but never reported? Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.

Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.

Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:

Altered responses to visual stimuli
Increased tremulousness
Problems with sustained attention and memory

I wonder why the poor people that smoke pot have so many kids with add?
Hero

La Puente, CA

#12957 Nov 13, 2012
Same RF dork who post there hate material over and over again!
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#12958 Nov 13, 2012
Hero wrote:
Same RF dork who post there hate material over and over again!
How much pot did your mom smoke when she was carrying you?

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#12959 Nov 13, 2012
Mr Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you might have something interesting to say....
I was wrong...
so youre straight?? and you are advocating a crime??
meanwhile?/ you call us a bunch of criminals??
WTF> you are major hypocrit.
get a clue....
the federal gvernment has all those drugs schedualed the same way for a reason.....and it has nothing to do with public health or saftey..
if it did? alcohol would be HIGHLY illegal.
and we all know how well that turned out....
about as well a 75 years of pot prohibition.
you say you cant wait for it to be legalized??
why is that?? when you are a major hater...??
it already has been legalized....
and you havnt "rolled" any stoners yet??
I postulate that you are a giant pussy who would never say a bad word to anyone for fear of being beat up.
advocating a crime? how does that compare with COMMITTING a crime?

frankly, I don't think you potheads give a shit about any laws out there. all you care about is your next hit.

so, if you don't give a shit about the law.. why should I?

brain dead hippie.
DropBox

La Puente, CA

#12960 Nov 13, 2012
So you can put any type of Bull in one of these out of town drop boxes, thats nice to know.

A drop box is like a trash can that never gets emptied?
Chad

San Francisco, CA

#12961 Nov 13, 2012
DropBox

La Puente, CA

#12962 Nov 13, 2012
So you can put any type of Bull in one of these out of town drop boxes, thats nice to know.

A drop box is like a trash can that never gets emptied?

Do you have to put the lid back on?

Nope, leave them off so they draw more out of towners posting they are really just flies.
Punxsutawney Phil

Santa Cruz, CA

#12963 Nov 13, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>How much pot did your mom smoke when she was carrying you?
Aw, someones afraid of his own shadow.
Looks like more winter.
I am sure your mother would be so proud.
DropBox

La Puente, CA

#12964 Nov 13, 2012
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Big D

Modesto, CA

#12965 Nov 13, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>So other people should be able to do what ever they want? You don't mind if your neighbor had a grow operation? And constantly smoking pot in their yard? Or crack? whatever? It's basically legal now with the medical pot, anyone over 21 can get a card. My point was smoking anything is not healthy. There are other ways to consume it. If legal, you will still have cops busting people growing it, I'm sure you won't be able to grow 100's of plants in your home. Cops will still be busting people selling it cheaper on the streets.
You jumped way outside the context here

Nothing has passed about "crack" you have no clue what my position on that might be. You would do better to speak for yourself, as you have no idea what others think, certainly not me.

You remind me of folks that hear about gay marriage and jump straight to bestiality, I worry about folks that make that leap a lot more than I worry about gay folks.

As far as "pot" as a legal substance why would it bother me if my neighbor was smoking it?

There are still issues to work out of course, federal law for example. But I don’t mind all that much that my neighbors across the street have their garage door open all the time and are constantly drinking beer all weekend long.

what is the difference?

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