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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217737 Sep 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I wasn't trying to be mean, you seem to have a partial amount of knowledge that you use to make conclusions. That is simply dangerous.
1. At the most, you are describing bi-sexual behavior, not homosexuality. However, brief contact with the opposite gender for mating is common among animals. Another example on the other gender would be Orca whales. The females stimulate each other before the male,'slam bam thank you maam' intercourse.
However, using animals to justify human behavior is risky. Often anal intercourse among animals is simply an expression of dominance. Humping dogs also eat sh/t and lick butts...
2. I brought up the Cinderella Effect because you mentioned two males raising the young.
"In evolutionary psychology, the Cinderella effect is the alleged higher incidence of different forms of child-abuse and mistreatment by stepparents than by biological parents. It takes its name from the fairy tale character Cinderella. Evolutionary psychologists describe the effect as a remnant of an adaptive reproductive strategy among primates where males frequently kill the offspring of other males in order to bring their mothers into estrus, and give the male a chance to fertilize her himself."
3. I have lived through the evolution of a number of theories about homosexuality. A domineering mother and absent father was before a psychological disorder. Genetics were more recent. A number of other ideas before that. You may want to look up the current idea,'homosexuality and epi-genetics'.
Again, I am sorry for sounding harsh, I am used to being assaulted for having divergent views.
No worries. Thank you for apologizing. I understand your reason, people were pretty harsh to you on this thread; I have read the remarks. I did not take it personally, just wanted to continue or discussion. Your posts have no politically correct inhibitions, so I thought you would be fun to talk to.

Again, I do not feel strongly about this subject, so I may not be the most informed or educated in this matter. I think you know more than I do in regards to this topic. Yes, you are right, the animals' behavior I was using would be best described as bisexual. I was trying to get away with another fallacy, since I do not know enough about this topic, ha... I know now that I can't get away with these with you.

Are you saying that adopted children of homosexual parents will be subjected to the cinderella effect?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#217738 Sep 22, 2013
Melanie wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya there is......
How about an old rude creep to talks about women like pieces of meat and
couldn't get a woman if it was dressed like a man....
Well if you want to talk about your daddy like that, we don't want to hear it. Be nice.
Melanie

Los Angeles, CA

#217739 Sep 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>I don't hate or dislike homosexuals. I do hate denial. It is devastating to individuals and society. I am a genetic chimera and a hermaphrodite. Being honest about my condition has been essential for my well-being.

Words describe reality. I'm sure you'd agree that accuracy is critical for our benefit. Calling arsenic 'sugar' would be foolish.

Put succinctly, ss couples do not equate to marriage at any level. But if I start at the most basic essence of marriage, it is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Ss couples are a failure of mating behavior. They fail to equate from the very start. I can and have listed the distinctions that follow at any point of measurement.

Where this comes into my line of fire, is the impact on marriage and children of imposing an imposter relationship. My professional career and personal interest was/is focused on marriage and family.

I do understand that GLBT's deserve rights and relationships. I have always encouraged their pursuit of their own identity and rights. The only qualification is, I believe that GLBT is a sexual disorder. That creates a problem with a variety of issues such as anal sex; harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

I think the demand that people deny an obvious disorder and the historical results of where that leads have created the backlash.
LOL more like a "Himerphrodite" Ha Ha
this forum is hilarious!!! This clown is
So full of shit,his eyes are brown!
Melanie

Los Angeles, CA

#217740 Sep 22, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>Well if you want to talk about your daddy like that, we don't want to hear it. Be nice.
Nice .........Like you?? And who is we?
The Audience to the Frankie show? This
has to be a bunch of out of work actors,
or just a bunch of old men reminiscing
about your Vietnam era escapades with
"broads" or Anal sex......Prop 8 is now
history, don't you have anything better to do then talk crap??? About my daddy
Cad Vaffanculo old fart!

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217741 Sep 22, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
Not Hypocritical...3 does not equal 2! To label polygamy as 'marriage equality' is an oxymoron.
So is "same sex marriage". Two men or two women does not "equal" a man AND a woman. Are two left shoes, or two right shoes "equal" to a pair of shoes-a left AND a right?
I can't think of anything more UN-equal
Exactly.....same sex marriage is UN-equal.
. You want polygamy? then fight for it on your own
Why? SSMers are doing the fighting for it already.
or go to the middle east (Please),
No need to, immigrants from the Middle East are coming here, and going to Europe. In fact, in the UK, they recognize polygamous marriages for welfare purposes.
don't try and tag it along with gay marriage,
But polygamists, namely Kody Brown and his wives, have gone on record in support of SSM. It would be polite to return the support.
they are not even remotely the same
Hmmmmmm.......one, SSM seeks to change the nature, male female, of the marital relationship but retain the number, whereas plural marriage seeks to maintain the nature, but not the number. So which one represents more of a signitificant alteration of marriage in American marital jurisprudence.
. POS
?....... Wait I know this one....that's code for Pizza with olives, and sausage.

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Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217742 Sep 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't hate or dislike homosexuals. I do hate denial. It is devastating to individuals and society. I am a genetic chimera and a hermaphrodite. Being honest about my condition has been essential for my well-being.
Words describe reality. I'm sure you'd agree that accuracy is critical for our benefit. Calling arsenic 'sugar' would be foolish.
Put succinctly, ss couples do not equate to marriage at any level. But if I start at the most basic essence of marriage, it is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Ss couples are a failure of mating behavior. They fail to equate from the very start. I can and have listed the distinctions that follow at any point of measurement.
Where this comes into my line of fire, is the impact on marriage and children of imposing an imposter relationship. My professional career and personal interest was/is focused on marriage and family.
I do understand that GLBT's deserve rights and relationships. I have always encouraged their pursuit of their own identity and rights. The only qualification is, I believe that GLBT is a sexual disorder. That creates a problem with a variety of issues such as anal sex; harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
I think the demand that people deny an obvious disorder and the historical results of where that leads have created the backlash.
Now I am understanding. Your concern is on the kids that come from homosexual parents, correct? I feel that concern is valid. I was raised by a single mother. I mean, I turned out successful, but I had to make a lot of mistakes to get here. Knowing that, I cannot condone women who want to have kids without a father, as I understand the hardships that the child will go through. Putting this back into context, a child of homosexual parents will be confused and most likely bullied in school. Statistics show that fatherless children are more likely to engage in criminal behavior. I don't know if there are any statistics for homosexual parents, but I feel that there will be all sorts of risks for that child. I may be wrong, but I feel that children are already being adopted by homosexual parents despite the marriage status. What would banning ss marriage achieve in this respect?

So, you called it a disorder--what are you suggesting is the reason for this? Psychological? Nurture? Genetics?

I have never really thought this far into this subject. This is getting better!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217743 Sep 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Her sister was a mother at 47.
The rest of your post is a rehash of things I've already addressed.
In the end, ss couples are never ever more than a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage. Your assault on me is only a futile attempt to avoid the reality of that deficit.
As I said, I've seen photos of your wife. She's a bit longer in the tooth that 47. If she's only 47, then she's had a hard life. And being married to the likes of you, I can cut her some slack for looking to be in her 60s.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#217744 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries. Thank you for apologizing. I understand your reason, people were pretty harsh to you on this thread; I have read the remarks. I did not take it personally, just wanted to continue or discussion. Your posts have no politically correct inhibitions, so I thought you would be fun to talk to.
Again, I do not feel strongly about this subject, so I may not be the most informed or educated in this matter. I think you know more than I do in regards to this topic. Yes, you are right, the animals' behavior I was using would be best described as bisexual. I was trying to get away with another fallacy, since I do not know enough about this topic, ha... I know now that I can't get away with these with you.
Are you saying that adopted children of homosexual parents will be subjected to the cinderella effect?
Default family situations (adoptive, foster, step and single parent) all have negative impact on children. Ss couples would at the least equal those negative affects. At the worst, the inherent negative self-identity of sexual disorders would only increase the negative affect. Add to that the missing parental gender with ss couples.

Now you may want to think about how that relates to studies that claim otherwise...

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217745 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me use similar logic to ask you a question: if human reproduction is purely sexual, why do we need marriage? It is not a necessary aspect for reproduction; sex alone can reproduce. We have marriage because society is complex. Marriage has legal, financial, and other benefits, not just reproduction.
Yes it does.....but at its core is the sexual union of a man and a woman.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#217746 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries. Thank you for apologizing. I understand your reason, people were pretty harsh to you on this thread; I have read the remarks. I did not take it personally, just wanted to continue or discussion. Your posts have no politically correct inhibitions, so I thought you would be fun to talk to.
Again, I do not feel strongly about this subject, so I may not be the most informed or educated in this matter. I think you know more than I do in regards to this topic. Yes, you are right, the animals' behavior I was using would be best described as bisexual. I was trying to get away with another fallacy, since I do not know enough about this topic, ha... I know now that I can't get away with these with you.
Are you saying that adopted children of homosexual parents will be subjected to the cinderella effect?
I just realized that the case in the Bible of King Solomon judging between two women claiming the same baby would be an example.

I Kings 3:16-28
Melanie

Los Angeles, CA

#217747 Sep 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>As I said, I've seen photos of your wife. She's a bit longer in the tooth that 47. If she's only 47, then she's had a hard life. And being married to the likes of you, I can cut her some slack for looking to be in her 60s.
See........Even VV agrees Kimare's wife's eggs are raisins...Does Kimare think
He's Moses as well? Multiple personalities maybe? No.....?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#217748 Sep 22, 2013
Melanie wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL more like a "Himerphrodite" Ha Ha
this forum is hilarious!!! This clown is
So full of shit,his eyes are brown!
LOL,

It is much better than that! Literally a lesbian trapped in a straight man. AND I have three nipples too!

Talk about a monster mutation...

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217749 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries. Thank you for apologizing. I understand your reason, people were pretty harsh to you on this thread; I have read the remarks. I did not take it personally, just wanted to continue or discussion. Your posts have no politically correct inhibitions, so I thought you would be fun to talk to.
Again, I do not feel strongly about this subject, so I may not be the most informed or educated in this matter. I think you know more than I do in regards to this topic. Yes, you are right, the animals' behavior I was using would be best described as bisexual. I was trying to get away with another fallacy, since I do not know enough about this topic, ha... I know now that I can't get away with these with you.
Are you saying that adopted children of homosexual parents will be subjected to the cinderella effect?
Let me bring you up to speed on Kimare... He has been on these and other forums in TOPIX for going on three years. He has made THOUSANDS of comments against homosexuals, gay marriage, etc. He has learned to temper his comments over time since he knows that being as outrageous as he once was made him sound like a kook.

He stirs anti-homosexual sentiment every chance he gets. In his ideal world, there would be no homosexuals. It's a notion he shares with the likes of Hitler.

Oh, he'll deny that he wants gays to be gassed or cooked in ovens. But he wants us gone nonetheless.

He tells blatant lies about science. He claims that the "theory" of epigenetics will one day lead to a cure for homosexuality. But in his discussions about epigenetics, he will not admit that it is a theory. Rather, he claims that it is a fact.

Young gay people already have a tough enough time coming to terms with embracing the way God made them. Society is very harsh on gays. But I'm sure you know that.

Kimare's words only serve to make like more difficult for young and closeted gay people. His words fuel self-hatred. They fuel other's hatred of gays.

But in three years, he hasn't let up. He has shown himself to be narcissistic and grandiose. He believes that the world would be a better place if only everyone followed his beliefs. He has no tolerance for anyone else's lifestyles or values.

That is why he is so despised here. That's why you see so many people speaking harshly to him. He has never shown any of us an ounce of respect--even when there are those of us who have attempted to respect him.

To address a point you raised in your discussion with him re: homosexuality in the animal kingdom. He will talk about those animals that express bisexual contact. But he won't acknowledge the many other animals that have been observed in lifelong same-gender associations. He refuses to admit that homosexuality is as natural as any other orientation witnessed in the animal kingdom--of which, I might add, humans are members of.

You can make up your own mind about Kimare. I'm just trying to give you some history on him.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217750 Sep 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL,
It is much better than that! Literally a lesbian trapped in a straight man. AND I have three nipples too!
Talk about a monster mutation...
Yes... He is a lesbian... And he's married to a woman. He's one of the original same-sex couples.

I think his shit-storm of a genetic makeup also seriously impacted his intelligence.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#217751 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I am understanding. Your concern is on the kids that come from homosexual parents, correct? I feel that concern is valid. I was raised by a single mother. I mean, I turned out successful, but I had to make a lot of mistakes to get here. Knowing that, I cannot condone women who want to have kids without a father, as I understand the hardships that the child will go through. Putting this back into context, a child of homosexual parents will be confused and most likely bullied in school. Statistics show that fatherless children are more likely to engage in criminal behavior. I don't know if there are any statistics for homosexual parents, but I feel that there will be all sorts of risks for that child. I may be wrong, but I feel that children are already being adopted by homosexual parents despite the marriage status. What would banning ss marriage achieve in this respect?
So, you called it a disorder--what are you suggesting is the reason for this? Psychological? Nurture? Genetics?
I have never really thought this far into this subject. This is getting better!
My wife and I have fostered over ten children. Our desire has always been to restore them to their mother and father if possible. Or the very closest alternative. But that would be just one of many implications. Marriage rights and benefits were originally established to support a stay at home mother and children. Two men do not need or deserve those benefits. In the case of military housing and benefits, limited resources are now extended to those who have no potential or need for family resources. The list goes on.

Most professionals believe it is a combination of nature and nurture. I give a high priority to nature. The idea of epi-genetic epi-marker mistakes is a very logical possibility that has yet to be proved.

http://www.the-scientist.com/...
articleNo/33773/title/Can-Epig enetics-Explain-Homosexuality- /

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217752 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I am understanding. Your concern is on the kids that come from homosexual parents, correct? I feel that concern is valid. I was raised by a single mother. I mean, I turned out successful, but I had to make a lot of mistakes to get here. Knowing that, I cannot condone women who want to have kids without a father, as I understand the hardships that the child will go through. Putting this back into context, a child of homosexual parents will be confused and most likely bullied in school. Statistics show that fatherless children are more likely to engage in criminal behavior. I don't know if there are any statistics for homosexual parents, but I feel that there will be all sorts of risks for that child. I may be wrong, but I feel that children are already being adopted by homosexual parents despite the marriage status. What would banning ss marriage achieve in this respect?
So, you called it a disorder--what are you suggesting is the reason for this? Psychological? Nurture? Genetics?
I have never really thought this far into this subject. This is getting better!
Why do I get the feeling that this person is actually Kimare talking to himself?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#217754 Sep 22, 2013
Here is some more of Kimare's bat-shittery...

Sunday, September 22, 2013
I remember when the Church rose up against divorce. Most couples worked through the ups and downs of marriage because of God, and maybe more so, because of the children. But then psychologists claimed divorce had no affect on children.

And the government intervened with no fault divorce. And the Church decided it was more important to welcome divorced people than to protect the life-long devastation it imparts on children.

I remember when the Church rallied against legalizing abortion. The shame of immorality reined in promiscuity. But doctors said the cost of back alley abortions was too great.

And the government intervened once again. And the Church decided not being harsh was more important than 40 million children being murdered.

Now the Church is being challenged to call ss couples the same as marriage. The courts say mutually sterile, duplicated gendered halves are equal to marriage.

And the government is once again poised to intervene. And the Pope is recommending that once again the Church step back.

Can't help but wonder what on earth that means for children.

All that is left is, "...and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Isn't that the logical response when we have brutalized the bonds of marriage and family at the expense of children?

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So, Kim is hoping that children will rise up against their same-sex parents and put them to death. He calls it the "logical response".

And FYI, Kimare TOTALLY takes Matthew 10:21 out of context. These are Christ's words to the disciples as He sends them off to spread the gospel. It has nothing to do with encouraging or hoping that children will see the "evil ways" of their parents and have them put to death. Rather, it is a discussion about what the disciples will encounter. They will see disobedient and disrespectful children rise up and cause the death of their parents; the people who brought them into the world and raised them to maturity.

This is another example where Kimare takes scripture and twists it to serve his own selfish needs.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217755 Sep 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Default family situations (adoptive, foster, step and single parent) all have negative impact on children. Ss couples would at the least equal those negative affects. At the worst, the inherent negative self-identity of sexual disorders would only increase the negative affect. Add to that the missing parental gender with ss couples.
Now you may want to think about how that relates to studies that claim otherwise...
Wouldn't you say that is generalizing a bit? Playing devils advocate here, but there isn't much studies based on this.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#217756 Sep 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
Here is some more of Kimare's bat-shittery...
Sunday, September 22, 2013
I remember when the Church rose up against divorce. Most couples worked through the ups and downs of marriage because of God, and maybe more so, because of the children. But then psychologists claimed divorce had no affect on children.
And the government intervened with no fault divorce. And the Church decided it was more important to welcome divorced people than to protect the life-long devastation it imparts on children.
I remember when the Church rallied against legalizing abortion. The shame of immorality reined in promiscuity. But doctors said the cost of back alley abortions was too great.
And the government intervened once again. And the Church decided not being harsh was more important than 40 million children being murdered.
Now the Church is being challenged to call ss couples the same as marriage. The courts say mutually sterile, duplicated gendered halves are equal to marriage.
And the government is once again poised to intervene. And the Pope is recommending that once again the Church step back.
Can't help but wonder what on earth that means for children.
All that is left is, "...and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21
Isn't that the logical response when we have brutalized the bonds of marriage and family at the expense of children?
----------
So, Kim is hoping that children will rise up against their same-sex parents and put them to death. He calls it the "logical response".
And FYI, Kimare TOTALLY takes Matthew 10:21 out of context. These are Christ's words to the disciples as He sends them off to spread the gospel. It has nothing to do with encouraging or hoping that children will see the "evil ways" of their parents and have them put to death. Rather, it is a discussion about what the disciples will encounter. They will see disobedient and disrespectful children rise up and cause the death of their parents; the people who brought them into the world and raised them to maturity.
This is another example where Kimare takes scripture and twists it to serve his own selfish needs.
I 'hoped' nothing. I quoted a prophecy about the end times, and accurately noted a human response to being abused in the most intimate relationship possible.

You are an example of what a faithless, depraved person does with truth.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#217757 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't you say that is generalizing a bit? Playing devils advocate here, but there isn't much studies based on this.
Not sure what you are questioning.

The impact of broken homes? Or ss couples with children.

There are numerous long term studies comparing natural parents with default families.

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