Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,189

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

Full Story
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201179 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your beliefs are not deserving of respect because you advocate violating the rights of others. The one system of ideas worthy of respect is one that advocates more freedom for more people. You will never understand that because you are not capable of learning to mind your own business.
The notion that someone with an opinion different from yours is not worthy of respect is an ad hominem and a fallacy. It suggests that you have no better argument.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201181 Jul 9, 2013
In fact, many people begin their critical analysis of the Bible by doubting the authenticity of these stories. Logic, reason, and skepticism accompany a scientific mentality; not one of faith and uncritical belief.

In recent years the conflict between science and the Bible has become especially pronounced with respect to the struggle between evolution and Creationism. The battle has been, and is being, fought in many forms--e.g. the schools, libraries, and courts. BE will not enter the fray because the subject matter not only lies outside the Bible per se, but is highly technical and of little interest to many people. Few scientists and even fewer laymen really understand the intricacies of all the sciences that are involved in a really thorough discussion of evolution. Paleontology, geology, biology, astronomy, archeology, chemistry, and anthropology are some of the disciplines one must comprehend in order to proceed wisely. However, it is interesting to note how the struggle between science and the Bible has evolved.

Originally, scientific findings were denounced as blasphemous lies. But as science has expanded and the evidence has mounted, many apologists have adopted a more realistic stance. They have increasingly rewritten the Bible by either changing literal statements to figurative meanings or alleging, "What the Bible really meant was..." For example, they assert the seven days of Creation weren't really days; they were eras or epochs. When the Bible describes miracles it doesn't mean to imply they exist. It is merely relating instances in which naive people were fooled by trickery and other mechanisms.

With characteristic wisdom, Ingersoll took note of this slow evolutionary change: "The church disputed every step, denied every fact, resorted to every device that cunning could suggest or ingenuity execute, but the conflict could not be maintained. The Bible, so far as geology was concerned, was in danger of being driven from the earth. Beaten in the open field, the church began to equivocate, to evade, and to give new meanings to inspired words. Finally, falsehood having failed to harmonize the guesses of barbarians with the discoveries of genius, the leading churchmen suggested that the Bible was not written to teach astronomy, was not written to teach geology, and that it was not a scientific book,....(Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 11, p.220)."

"In matters of fact, the Bible has ceased to be a regarded as a standard. Science has succeeded in breaking the chains of theology. A few years ago, Science endeavored to show that it was not inconsistent with the Bible. The tables have been turned, now, Religion is endeavoring to prove that the Bible is not inconsistent with science. The standard has been changed." (Ibid. Vol. 2, p. 242).

"In other words, the standard has been changed; the ancient is measured by the modern, where the literal statement in the Bible does not agree with modern discoveries, they do not change the discoveries, but give new meanings to the old account. We are not now endeavoring to reconcile science with the Bible, but to reconcile the Bible with science." (Ibid. Vol. 8, p. 151).

Only staunch fundamentalists continue trying to erase the handwriting on the wall. In the 5th chapter of Daniel, Belshazzar didn't try to erase the unpleasant handwriting on the wall. He listened and acted accordingly. One would think believers in the Bible would learn from his experience. In summary, the Bible is not inerrant with respect to science. Many statements reflect the era in which they were written and assertions to the contrary are weak at best.
Reverend Imbecile

UK

#201183 Jul 9, 2013
Shall we gather at the poot chute

The wonderful

wonderful

poot chute...

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201185 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Don't tell big d that science isn't always accurate. He will be upset.
Don't tell RiccardoFire that the Bible isn't always accurate. He will be upset.
Follower of the Way

Saint Paul, MN

#201186 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
In fact, many people begin their critical analysis of the Bible by doubting the authenticity of these stories.
Reverend Alan- Before you go to sleep tonight, look into the mirror. Look deep into the irises of your eyes. And what will you find?

The creature that haunts and torments you every night.

Jesus Christ is your only hope for liberation from the Evil One.

Since: May 12

Canoga Park, CA

#201187 Jul 9, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your reaction to the thousands of people who are dying in the gay community because of AIDS/HIV?
Psychopath.
Wow, you have spammed this on every LGBT thread you can.
Binkies

Monrovia, CA

#201189 Jul 9, 2013

Since: May 12

Canoga Park, CA

#201190 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Last, but not least, one should note the hundreds of miracles contained within the Bible. Perhaps more than anything else they prove the Book lacks scientific validity. Miracles, by definition, have supernatural causes, and science, by definition, doesn't work with the supernatural. In order to avoid an extended discussion as to the existence of miracles, I will simply say that nearly all reputable scientists deny their existence and feel all events have a natural, material cause. Believers in miracles can never produce a supernatural event when asked to do so. Challenges are invariably left unanswered.
Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific mind.
Sorry, I know this is really just humour but I thought it was somewhat relevant to what you were saying too.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201191 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> So please tell us why did that puddle of crud all of a sudden develop life? and since we didn't evolve from apes now, what is the latest fairy tale?
The only fairy tales are the ones your mother told you about Jesus and God. You really think you know something but all of your messages are posted from ignorance and you distort everything about Science either from ignorance or on purpose to be insulting. Either way you are full of it for doing so.

Life has always existed in the Universe. When a biosphere is formed around a rocky world everything needed for life is brought here and immediately begins to evolve and at some point human life arises. There is no need of any God to explain any of this. From the very first few moments of what we call the Big Band the possibility for a neomammalian complex (neocortex) existed. Human evolution as we know it has been a possibility since the Universe began. The Universe needs beings with a neocortex because those of us with one,[Christians do not seem to have one] are capable of transforming minerals into conscious thought and that is a fuel for maintaining the Universe. Evolved Human beings [and again I exclude Christians] provide this "fuel" whether they like it or not. Participating in what the Universe is doing is not a right or a guarantee for a human being however it is a possibility for one who has participated in his own psychological evolution.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201192 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You have lost and this post which is nothing but you grasping for any straw to pretend it will 'save face' and allow you some credibility in here, proves as much.
Drink the Draino. Drink the Draino. When you drink the Draino you will have proven to us that you believe and trust the Bible, until then you are just so much blah blah blah.
Danth's Law.
laughing man

UK

#201193 Jul 9, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>civil rights aren't opinions.. you dumbazz
Really? What did the SCROTUS give that's had you pinkos so ecstatic the last couple of weeks?
laughing man

UK

#201194 Jul 9, 2013
Larry wrote:
Another Reason to not vote anymore.
Yep, because an activist SCROTUS appeals to the Common Man, the Regressives. Keep THEM stupid and YOU stay in Power.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201196 Jul 9, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
Itís quite interesting Reverend Alan that you believe religious people should not inflict their morals on others,
You have no right to tell me or anyone how I or they should live our lives. That you assume you know what is best for us is to own our lives. You do not own me and you have no right to tell me how to live my life.

My defending my life you call imposing restrictions on your freedom, since you are that stupid there is not much that can be done for you.

You do not have the freedom to force your stupidity down my throat and I have every right to stop you by any and all means.

You pew warmers are really twisted in your "reality".
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201197 Jul 9, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>be careful in suggesting that they are.. geven someday those that you hold dear might be up for OPINION
you know like your gov't disability check you get so you can sit on your fat azz all day and play on topix
I get no disability check. I am not on the Obama plan. I earned every dime.

How much did you make last year? How much taxes did you pay on it? Tell the truth now. You are righteous and tell the truth and I am not, right?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201199 Jul 9, 2013
TrueAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I know this is really just humour but I thought it was somewhat relevant to what you were saying too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QarofaycN3cXX
Thanks :) That was really funny. LOL!!!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201200 Jul 9, 2013
Follower of the Way wrote:
<quoted text>
Reverend Alan- Before you go to sleep tonight, look into the mirror. Look deep into the irises of your eyes. And what will you find?
The creature that haunts and torments you every night.
Jesus Christ is your only hope for liberation from the Evil One.
Have you read anything I have posted? Please try and read this:

Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lays hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

NEW RULE: After you drink a quart of Draino, then and only then can you tell me about Jesus.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201201 Jul 9, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>actually just got home from mercer island thrift shop bought 11 pairs of nice jeans for my sewing business... sweet!!!
Those dopey jeans you make won't sell.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201202 Jul 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
The notion that someone with an opinion different from yours is not worthy of respect is an ad hominem and a fallacy. It suggests that you have no better argument.
LOL, you KNOW that I have a better argument but then that is all you are about is arguing.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201207 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, you KNOW that I have a better argument but then that is all you are about is arguing.
You have a better argument but you're keeping it secret?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201208 Jul 9, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>I made about 70,000 last yer between stripping at the club and escorting.... didn't have my sewing business yet that's new
I made more than that from my retirement pension as a research geologist and my investments.

You sell your ass cheaply.$70K? Research your little fantasy honey. Make it credible.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Palm Springs Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Elizabeth Taylor & Michael Jackson at Her Final... 7 hr Octopus 25
Tony Casas, 77; Former Prisons Official Worked ... (Sep '07) 21 hr nick 705
child molester at large in dhs Wed tay 2
Review: Law Office Of Geoffrey M. Yaryan Oct 18 gmyaryan 1
Costco readies for new opening (Dec '06) Oct 15 Ramya 151
Touch Of Class Consignments, Cathedral City, ca. (Aug '13) Oct 8 Terry 126
Riverside County DA, let's two bad guys go free. Oct 4 Bill H 1
Palm Springs Dating
Find my Match

Palm Springs Jobs

Palm Springs People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Palm Springs News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Palm Springs

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]