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“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201173 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> made it quite clear that humans evolved from apes. The more atheist like you learn about evolution,.
It is time to look at the Bible's alternative explanation:

The question of whether or not the Bible is scientifically valid has been debated for hundreds of years by critics and supporters alike. Biblicists have contended the book not only supports science but contains many statements that are ahead of their time. The Bible supposedly has great scientific wisdom and only now are we beginning to realize as much. Critics, such as myself, believe the Bible is its own worst enemy. From our perspective there are more than enough statements contained therein to forestall any claims to scientific precision. Indeed, many statements clearly belong in the realm of mythology and folklore, while others are simply false. Some are so vague it's difficult to know what is meant, so naturally, biblicists choose the more scientifically oriented interpretation. Those believing the Bible to be scientifically precise and wise beyond its years should read, digest, and remember the following assertions contained within its covers:

The bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
Some creeping insects have four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23);
Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201174 Jul 9, 2013
Some statements are so vague that apologists can often evade dilemmas by creative rationalizations. As Ingersoll said: "If the holy writer uses general terms, an ingenious theologian can harmonize a seemingly preposterous statement with the most obdurate fact.(Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 5, p. 37). For instance, Gen. 1:7-8 says: "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;... And god called the firmament Heaven." Realizing the scientific implausibility inherent in this narration, some apologists attempt to portray the firmament as nothing more than the atmosphere separating the moist clouds above from the oceans below. Some biblical allegations are not only erroneous but have been fatal to their adherents.

For instance, Mark16:17-18 says: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;.... They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them."

Not many believing Christians are willing to drink poisons or handle rattlesnakes to prove the Bible's accuracy, although some have tried. Many individuals have died because they put their trust in the Biblical injunction to pray ("And the prayer of faith shall save the sick," James 5:13-15) and, not wanting to make Asa's mistake (2 Chron. 16:12), shunned physicians.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#201175 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
What you do NOT have the right to do is what you and your fellow pew warmers do and that is pass laws making your personal opinions the law of the land which establishes Christianity as the religion of the USA.
That is wrong no matter how you dance around it claiming you have the right to force your beliefs down our throats. And it is your Christian beliefs that need to be examined and discussed so they can be seen for the nonsense that they are.
Itís quite interesting Reverend Alan that you believe religious people should not inflict their morals on others, or codify religious morals into law, yet you seem to have no problem imposing your intrinsically flawed ethical relativist philosophy onto a democratic society, with a significant percentage of voters who reject the notion that standards of right and wrong are products of time and culture.

The problem with moral relativism is that no action or behavior, no matter how foul or depraved, is absolutely wrong. Thatís why the Nazis embraced socialism, which is based on an ethical relativism and a metaphysical materialism that no decent human could ever accept.

Should the philosophy of moral relativism prevail in our country, our children and grandchildren will come to witness immorality at an unimaginable scale. They will witness unchaste men and women walking naked in public, people flaunting their unclothed bodies, men kissing multiple wives, women kissing multiple husbands, and celebrating their unbridled freedom and identity in public processions where display of physical affection and nudity engender exalting pride.

This is already taking place in America, Rev. Alan.

Of course none of those things probably bothers you because with moral relativism, anything goes!

I suggest you read the following articles, my friend:

Goodman, David. See Topless Woman? Just Move On, Police Are Told. The New York Times.15 May.2013.Web. 13 June. 2013 < http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/16/nyregion/a -... ;

Rosenblum, Emma. Scott Wiener on San Francisco's Ban on Public Nudity. Bloomberg Businessweek, 29 Nov. 2012. Web. 13 June. 2013.čhttp://www.businessweek. com/articles/2012-11-29/scott- wiener-on-san-franciscos-ban-o n-public-nudity>

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201176 Jul 9, 2013
The unscientific aspect of biblical teachings is also shown in the fact that many mythological creatures are spoken of as if they were, in fact, real. The manner in which they are described and the context within which this occurs show biblical writers felt they actually existed. Some of the prominent examples are:

cockatrices (Jer. 8:17, Isa. 11:8 59:5),
unicorns (Deut. 33:17, Psalms 22:21. 29:6, Job 39:9-10),
satyrs (Isa. 34:14, 13:21)
fiery serpents (Num. 21:6),
and flying serpents (Isa. 14:29, 30:6).

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201177 Jul 9, 2013
Last, but not least, one should note the hundreds of miracles contained within the Bible. Perhaps more than anything else they prove the Book lacks scientific validity. Miracles, by definition, have supernatural causes, and science, by definition, doesn't work with the supernatural. In order to avoid an extended discussion as to the existence of miracles, I will simply say that nearly all reputable scientists deny their existence and feel all events have a natural, material cause. Believers in miracles can never produce a supernatural event when asked to do so. Challenges are invariably left unanswered.

Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific mind.
laughing man

UK

#201178 Jul 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah. It's kinda fun. Not real fun but it helps pass the time during slow moments during my tasks on the computer.
I like it best when the silly jackasses type a 500 word angry rant about how irrelevant I am.
You give them a chance to do what they do best - hate.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201179 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your beliefs are not deserving of respect because you advocate violating the rights of others. The one system of ideas worthy of respect is one that advocates more freedom for more people. You will never understand that because you are not capable of learning to mind your own business.
The notion that someone with an opinion different from yours is not worthy of respect is an ad hominem and a fallacy. It suggests that you have no better argument.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201181 Jul 9, 2013
In fact, many people begin their critical analysis of the Bible by doubting the authenticity of these stories. Logic, reason, and skepticism accompany a scientific mentality; not one of faith and uncritical belief.

In recent years the conflict between science and the Bible has become especially pronounced with respect to the struggle between evolution and Creationism. The battle has been, and is being, fought in many forms--e.g. the schools, libraries, and courts. BE will not enter the fray because the subject matter not only lies outside the Bible per se, but is highly technical and of little interest to many people. Few scientists and even fewer laymen really understand the intricacies of all the sciences that are involved in a really thorough discussion of evolution. Paleontology, geology, biology, astronomy, archeology, chemistry, and anthropology are some of the disciplines one must comprehend in order to proceed wisely. However, it is interesting to note how the struggle between science and the Bible has evolved.

Originally, scientific findings were denounced as blasphemous lies. But as science has expanded and the evidence has mounted, many apologists have adopted a more realistic stance. They have increasingly rewritten the Bible by either changing literal statements to figurative meanings or alleging, "What the Bible really meant was..." For example, they assert the seven days of Creation weren't really days; they were eras or epochs. When the Bible describes miracles it doesn't mean to imply they exist. It is merely relating instances in which naive people were fooled by trickery and other mechanisms.

With characteristic wisdom, Ingersoll took note of this slow evolutionary change: "The church disputed every step, denied every fact, resorted to every device that cunning could suggest or ingenuity execute, but the conflict could not be maintained. The Bible, so far as geology was concerned, was in danger of being driven from the earth. Beaten in the open field, the church began to equivocate, to evade, and to give new meanings to inspired words. Finally, falsehood having failed to harmonize the guesses of barbarians with the discoveries of genius, the leading churchmen suggested that the Bible was not written to teach astronomy, was not written to teach geology, and that it was not a scientific book,....(Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 11, p.220)."

"In matters of fact, the Bible has ceased to be a regarded as a standard. Science has succeeded in breaking the chains of theology. A few years ago, Science endeavored to show that it was not inconsistent with the Bible. The tables have been turned, now, Religion is endeavoring to prove that the Bible is not inconsistent with science. The standard has been changed." (Ibid. Vol. 2, p. 242).

"In other words, the standard has been changed; the ancient is measured by the modern, where the literal statement in the Bible does not agree with modern discoveries, they do not change the discoveries, but give new meanings to the old account. We are not now endeavoring to reconcile science with the Bible, but to reconcile the Bible with science." (Ibid. Vol. 8, p. 151).

Only staunch fundamentalists continue trying to erase the handwriting on the wall. In the 5th chapter of Daniel, Belshazzar didn't try to erase the unpleasant handwriting on the wall. He listened and acted accordingly. One would think believers in the Bible would learn from his experience. In summary, the Bible is not inerrant with respect to science. Many statements reflect the era in which they were written and assertions to the contrary are weak at best.
Reverend Imbecile

UK

#201183 Jul 9, 2013
Shall we gather at the poot chute

The wonderful

wonderful

poot chute...

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201185 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Don't tell big d that science isn't always accurate. He will be upset.
Don't tell RiccardoFire that the Bible isn't always accurate. He will be upset.
Follower of the Way

Saint Paul, MN

#201186 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
In fact, many people begin their critical analysis of the Bible by doubting the authenticity of these stories.
Reverend Alan- Before you go to sleep tonight, look into the mirror. Look deep into the irises of your eyes. And what will you find?

The creature that haunts and torments you every night.

Jesus Christ is your only hope for liberation from the Evil One.

Since: May 12

Canoga Park, CA

#201187 Jul 9, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your reaction to the thousands of people who are dying in the gay community because of AIDS/HIV?
Psychopath.
Wow, you have spammed this on every LGBT thread you can.
Binkies

Monrovia, CA

#201189 Jul 9, 2013

Since: May 12

Canoga Park, CA

#201190 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Last, but not least, one should note the hundreds of miracles contained within the Bible. Perhaps more than anything else they prove the Book lacks scientific validity. Miracles, by definition, have supernatural causes, and science, by definition, doesn't work with the supernatural. In order to avoid an extended discussion as to the existence of miracles, I will simply say that nearly all reputable scientists deny their existence and feel all events have a natural, material cause. Believers in miracles can never produce a supernatural event when asked to do so. Challenges are invariably left unanswered.
Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific mind.
Sorry, I know this is really just humour but I thought it was somewhat relevant to what you were saying too.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201191 Jul 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> So please tell us why did that puddle of crud all of a sudden develop life? and since we didn't evolve from apes now, what is the latest fairy tale?
The only fairy tales are the ones your mother told you about Jesus and God. You really think you know something but all of your messages are posted from ignorance and you distort everything about Science either from ignorance or on purpose to be insulting. Either way you are full of it for doing so.

Life has always existed in the Universe. When a biosphere is formed around a rocky world everything needed for life is brought here and immediately begins to evolve and at some point human life arises. There is no need of any God to explain any of this. From the very first few moments of what we call the Big Band the possibility for a neomammalian complex (neocortex) existed. Human evolution as we know it has been a possibility since the Universe began. The Universe needs beings with a neocortex because those of us with one,[Christians do not seem to have one] are capable of transforming minerals into conscious thought and that is a fuel for maintaining the Universe. Evolved Human beings [and again I exclude Christians] provide this "fuel" whether they like it or not. Participating in what the Universe is doing is not a right or a guarantee for a human being however it is a possibility for one who has participated in his own psychological evolution.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201192 Jul 9, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
You have lost and this post which is nothing but you grasping for any straw to pretend it will 'save face' and allow you some credibility in here, proves as much.
Drink the Draino. Drink the Draino. When you drink the Draino you will have proven to us that you believe and trust the Bible, until then you are just so much blah blah blah.
Danth's Law.
laughing man

UK

#201193 Jul 9, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>civil rights aren't opinions.. you dumbazz
Really? What did the SCROTUS give that's had you pinkos so ecstatic the last couple of weeks?
laughing man

UK

#201194 Jul 9, 2013
Larry wrote:
Another Reason to not vote anymore.
Yep, because an activist SCROTUS appeals to the Common Man, the Regressives. Keep THEM stupid and YOU stay in Power.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#201196 Jul 9, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
Itís quite interesting Reverend Alan that you believe religious people should not inflict their morals on others,
You have no right to tell me or anyone how I or they should live our lives. That you assume you know what is best for us is to own our lives. You do not own me and you have no right to tell me how to live my life.

My defending my life you call imposing restrictions on your freedom, since you are that stupid there is not much that can be done for you.

You do not have the freedom to force your stupidity down my throat and I have every right to stop you by any and all means.

You pew warmers are really twisted in your "reality".
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#201197 Jul 9, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>be careful in suggesting that they are.. geven someday those that you hold dear might be up for OPINION
you know like your gov't disability check you get so you can sit on your fat azz all day and play on topix
I get no disability check. I am not on the Obama plan. I earned every dime.

How much did you make last year? How much taxes did you pay on it? Tell the truth now. You are righteous and tell the truth and I am not, right?

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