Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 20 comments on the Aug 4, 2010, www.cnn.com story titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Rock Hudson

Landrum, SC

#192097 May 14, 2013
The Exterminator 6 wrote:
<quoted text>6? I don't get it. Why ban your opponent? If your cause is right, then you want all to see that your opponent is wrong.
I'm using my greybox tag, as I'm out of state right now, S.C., at a loading dock. The reasons for my bannings are mysteries to me, as the Topix staff have not responded to any of my posts, requesting clarification for said actions. My guess is that, although both sides say profane and hateful things, I'm not in the "Cool Kids Club", the new nationally-approved crew, the group of minorities that is steering our new identity.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192098 May 14, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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Sounds like it was big fun...
:-D
Were those PM's all sappy and shyte? Bunch of gushing nonsense?
I almost got diabetes from them. Of course I gave them a nice snappy reply!
Rock Hudson

Landrum, SC

#192099 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes there were a lot of religious people in the US, but the US was not founded upon any religion, not our constitution, not our laws.
Why donít you go get yourself an island and proclaim your religious country there.
Our founders coined the phrase "Separation of Church and state", The father of the revolution actually signed a document stating that this nation was not in any way founded upon Christianity while he was president.
You go live on your island if you want, I live in the land of the free, a land of justice and equality.
You may be in the wrong country, there are however countries that do enforce their religion, where religion controls the nations laws, perhaps the Taliban is accepting applications.
You wont have your theocracy here.
You can have your island in the middle of the Hurricanes and such.. your imaginary playmate will protect you
We're not the ones that are changing the rules, you are. We liked it the way it was, therefore, you are the ones who need the island, not us. Your statement that it is we who should move is a classic. The obvious analogy here is one of low-class types moving into a nice neighborhood, letting their unruly destroy the neighborhood, and then responding to the long-time residents that if they are unhappy with the neighborhood, they are free to move. We were here first, and I've suggested before that you go and from your own country, and call it "Libertine-istan"... I'll buy you a ticket. One-way, of course.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192100 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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LOL how about not pushing immorality on others in the first place.
Hard to do I know, it is the business they are in.
The reason for the decline of religion in America is directly related to their becoming more partisan politically, but that is not a course that is easy for them to change.
Politics is power, and power over others behavior is what religion is all about
And power over everything is what Big D is all about.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192101 May 14, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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We're not the ones that are changing the rules, you are. We liked it the way it was, therefore, you are the ones who need the island, not us. Your statement that it is we who should move is a classic. The obvious analogy here is one of low-class types moving into a nice neighborhood, letting their unruly destroy the neighborhood, and then responding to the long-time residents that if they are unhappy with the neighborhood, they are free to move. We were here first, and I've suggested before that you go and from your own country, and call it "Libertine-istan"... I'll buy you a ticket. One-way, of course.
Bravo!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#192102 May 14, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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We're not the ones that are changing the rules, you are. We liked it the way it was, therefore, you are the ones who need the island, not us. Your statement that it is we who should move is a classic. The obvious analogy here is one of low-class types moving into a nice neighborhood, letting their unruly destroy the neighborhood, and then responding to the long-time residents that if they are unhappy with the neighborhood, they are free to move. We were here first, and I've suggested before that you go and from your own country, and call it "Libertine-istan"... I'll buy you a ticket. One-way, of course.
Yes we Americans are, we are rejecting big government that tells us who we can marry and who we cannot.

We are removing the influence of the low class and unruly believers in various religions from dictating immorality to everyone else.

If however you want to have your morality dictated to you by a religious controlled government, there are a few still out there in the world, granted that none of them are very well thought of. Or you can buy and island and pray to your imaginary playmate that things go well for you there.

Jim Jones did something similar, you could follow his example

But you wonít dictate immorality to us in this country.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192103 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes we Americans are, we are rejecting big government that tells us who we can marry and who we cannot.
We are removing the influence of the low class and unruly believers in various religions from dictating immorality to everyone else.
If however you want to have your morality dictated to you by a religious controlled government, there are a few still out there in the world, granted that none of them are very well thought of. Or you can buy and island and pray to your imaginary playmate that things go well for you there.
Jim Jones did something similar, you could follow his example
But you wonít dictate immorality to us in this country.
And you won't either.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192104 May 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Soon there will be no place for you to spew your filth.
Welcome to 2013 Minnesota.
ABC news is fifth? Uhhhhhhh.....l.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192105 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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a "Hate Crime" is simply a way of proving premeditation and forethought, nothing political although the media tries to make it so. It isnít that the punishment is greater, it is the same as any other crime with premeditation and forethought.
"Hate Crime" is a misunderstood concept
So if some points a gun at me and says, "gimme your wallet", that's not as bad if some one points a gun at me and says, "gimme your wallet you dumb wop"?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192106 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes we Americans are, we are rejecting big government that tells us who we can marry and who we cannot.
We are removing the influence of the low class and unruly believers in various religions from dictating immorality to everyone else.
Uhhhhhhh....Big D if Americans are "rejecting big government that tells us who we can marry and who we cannot, why then do they seek a state issued marriage license?
If however you want to have your morality dictated to you by a religious controlled government, there are a few still out there in the world, granted that none of them are very well thought of. Or you can buy and island and pray to your imaginary playmate that things go well for you there.
So does mean when you're flying over the city on patrol you'll be wearing nothing but your cape? What should "morality" be based on? Who or what determines what is legally moral?
Jim Jones did something similar, you could follow his example
But you wonít dictate immorality to us in this country.
Some would argue you that legal SSM does just that, dictate immorality.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#192107 May 14, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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From the U.S. Dept. of Justice...
Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. The purveyors of hate use explosives, arson, weapons, vandalism, physical violence, and VERBAL THREATS OF VIOLENCE to instill fear in their victims, leaving them vulnerable to more attacks and feeling alienated, helpless, suspicious and fearful. Others may become frustrated and angry if they believe the local government and other groups in the community will not protect them.
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I guess what happened to my partner and me was a hate crime after all...
As I've said to others, sometimes it helps if you do a minimum of research on an issue before posting. It can help you to avoid looking like a fool.
So if someone HATES me because of my economic status, and targets me because of that, it's not a hate crime?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#192108 May 14, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Uhhhhhhh....Big D if Americans are "rejecting big government that tells us who we can marry and who we cannot, why then do they seek a state issued marriage license?
<quoted text>
So does mean when you're flying over the city on patrol you'll be wearing nothing but your cape? What should "morality" be based on? Who or what determines what is legally moral?
<quoted text>
Some would argue you that legal SSM does just that, dictate immorality.
Well personally I donít see a need for a state issued marriage license, I think every marriage should be a civil union from the governments perspective. That would remove the word marriage from a legal definition, But as there is little ( perhaps no ) support for my personal favorite way to deal with it, I fall back on making marriage equal.

To your last point, no one is telling you that you have to marry same sex, no one is telling any church they must perform any marriage they choose not to. We are not dictating anything, you can have your little club and set all the rules for your members you want to, as long as you donít assume you can set rules for people that donít belong to your little club.

No one is telling you how you must be, we are just telling you that you donít get to dictate to others how they must be.

( did you see the Incredibles, watched that with my grandson the other day ... No CAPES!!!):P
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192109 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Well personally I donít see a need for a state issued marriage license, I think every marriage should be a civil union from the governments perspective. That would remove the word marriage from a legal definition, But as there is little ( perhaps no ) support for my personal favorite way to deal with it, I fall back on making marriage equal.
To your last point, no one is telling you that you have to marry same sex, no one is telling any church they must perform any marriage they choose not to. We are not dictating anything, you can have your little club and set all the rules for your members you want to, as long as you donít assume you can set rules for people that donít belong to your little club.
No one is telling you how you must be, we are just telling you that you donít get to dictate to others how they must be.
( did you see the Incredibles, watched that with my grandson the other day ... No CAPES!!!):P
"little club"?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192110 May 14, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So if someone HATES me because of my economic status, and targets me because of that, it's not a hate crime?
Is "economic status" on the list of protected groups? If it isn't, then, no, an attack based on your economic status is not a hate crime.

Now, if a large enough group of people are being attacked because of their economic status--if they are being bullied, physically attacked, etc.(see the definition from the U.S. Dept. of Justice)--then they can attempt to have their status placed on the list of people who are prone to hate crimes.

It's a process. Surely, economically advantaged people would know how to work the system.

Also, it's often left up to a judge or jury to make a final call. If they believe there is evidence, I guess it's possible that they could determine that an attack based on "economic status" might be considered a hate crime.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#192111 May 14, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So if some points a gun at me and says, "gimme your wallet", that's not as bad if some one points a gun at me and says, "gimme your wallet you dumb wop"?
I would imagine if the attacker repeatedly used slurs; said things like "Get out of our neighborhoods!" or carved the word "wop" into your forehead, then that might rise to the level of a hate crime. It would likely be added to the list of charges, along with aggravated robbery, aggravated assault, etc.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#192112 May 14, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Is "economic status" on the list of protected groups? If it isn't, then, no, an attack based on your economic status is not a hate crime.
Now, if a large enough group of people are being attacked because of their economic status--if they are being bullied, physically attacked, etc.(see the definition from the U.S. Dept. of Justice)--then they can attempt to have their status placed on the list of people who are prone to hate crimes.
It's a process. Surely, economically advantaged people would know how to work the system.
Also, it's often left up to a judge or jury to make a final call. If they believe there is evidence, I guess it's possible that they could determine that an attack based on "economic status" might be considered a hate crime.
Or just determine that pre-meditation and forethought went into the crime and it ends up being identical anyway.

All "hate crime" boils down to is an easy way to determine pre-meditation and forethought.

The greater penalties are identical to pre-meditation and forethought.

( and if the sentence is deathÖ you canít make them ďmore deadĒ ;))
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192113 May 14, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Or just determine that pre-meditation and forethought went into the crime and it ends up being identical anyway.
All "hate crime" boils down to is an easy way to determine pre-meditation and forethought.
The greater penalties are identical to pre-meditation and forethought.
( and if the sentence is deathÖ you canít make them ďmore deadĒ ;))
Go start a hate crime thread.
Start Uppers

Covina, CA

#192114 May 14, 2013
Frankie are you a LBST?

Just asking.
Look at all this trash

Sacramento, CA

#192116 May 14, 2013
I love how these bigots on here are bashing gays for not being able to have children, yet there are millions of foster kids, and orphans in this world in dire need of a family. Kids are being thrown in dumpsters, drown, starving to death, dying from diarrhea and your argument is that they can't procreate. You all would fit in perfectly along side Mahmoud Abdullah in Iran wouldn't u?? Who do u think is adopting all these kids all these wonderful hetero couples can't take care of?? That's right, thank God for gay people adopting your kids and giving them the life they couldn't have w their hetero parents. Shame on all these clueless 3rd world country bigots on here. Why don't you all move to Somalia or Saudi Arabia where your views will be shared by other 3rd world thinking/living sloths...u would be a great asset to their thriving communities, and stay out of 1st world countries; there's no place for people like u here anymore. Do us all a favor and go embarrass yourself somewhere else.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#192117 May 14, 2013
Look at all this trash wrote:
I love how these bigots on here are bashing gays for not being able to have children, yet there are millions of foster kids, and orphans in this world in dire need of a family. Kids are being thrown in dumpsters, drown, starving to death, dying from diarrhea and your argument is that they can't procreate. You all would fit in perfectly along side Mahmoud Abdullah in Iran wouldn't u?? Who do u think is adopting all these kids all these wonderful hetero couples can't take care of?? That's right, thank God for gay people adopting your kids and giving them the life they couldn't have w their hetero parents. Shame on all these clueless 3rd world country bigots on here. Why don't you all move to Somalia or Saudi Arabia where your views will be shared by other 3rd world thinking/living sloths...u would be a great asset to their thriving communities, and stay out of 1st world countries; there's no place for people like u here anymore. Do us all a favor and go embarrass yourself somewhere else.
Relax fruitcake.

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