Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D wrote:
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You can take your argument up with the state of California that currently legally recognizes 18,000 same sex marriages. But I expect prop 8 will be overturned before you can get a hearing to challenge them, which will make your effort to have them not recognize those marriages moot.
But right now, they do,
California 18,000
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But then, these words, right here: "But right now, they do," grant validity to these words, right here: "So, these rights were not always present for the gays, making my statement correct. These "rights" have been granted, then removed again. now, it is in flux.". It's all about the context of the timeline. Not always means that they had to have been granted, at a time when it was not legal. Making me correct. No "rights" have been denied, they were wrongly bestowed. That is the only wrong going on, here. The 18,000 need to be annulled. Then, we'll be back on track. Where we belong.
Rock Hudson

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And, by the way, Chongo, in case you missed this on the other forum...

how 'homophobic' are you? Weigh your attitudes and beliefs about homosexuals on the Homophobia Scale (below) and see how you rank.

39 - Your score rates you as "non-homophobic."
From: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
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So, Chongo, there's that...
Wish there was an "Are You A Hater?" quiz, for you to take... You'd score abysmally.
Rock Hudson

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However, this does nothing to lessen my stance that SSM is wrong.
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I found him in my garage once, but I called the cops and had him arrested for trespassing, He was hiding behind the water heater
That's strange that you saw him yet you insist he is imaginary. Maybe you should have your head examined.
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just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Why you mad bro? Flat tire on your wheel chair? What is it? VA cut you loose? No cash to buy MD20/20? Hey sell your sperm, crap, you're dried out. Oh well you still have your health.
Why do you beat your wife? Why do you stalk me? Why are you obsessed with me? Why do you cruise the gay threads? What does your wife do while you cruise the gay threads?

Why didn't you stay in school? Why are you stupid? Why can't you spell?

Oh Jizzy! I have a thousand questions just like you!
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But, sir, sidestepping is not the same "wiping the floor'.
I'd ask Big D to list these "dozens of people" who have "wiped the floor" with me, but why bother, everyone knows he is a liar and they don't exist.

Big D gets desperate and then he gets stupid and starts lying.

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But, I don't fear it, I just have the ability to recognize which change is beneficial, and which change is not.
So far I haven't seen where you've talked about how same-sex marriage would be harmful. You've only said that you're a "traditionalist", which implies a fear of change.

Can you admit that same-sex marriage would benefit same-sex couples and their families?

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Marriage is not a "right", it's a privilege. Men and women can all do the same things in America. We all have the same rights, enumerated in the Constitution. Marriage isn't mentioned. At all. It just isn't. It's not listed as a right. Look for it. It isn't there. Period. What MORE do you need to be told? IT'S NOT THERE!
Well, maybe it should be in the Constitution. Maybe the founding fathers didn't believe that it needed to be listed--believed that it was just a "given" that people have the right to marry.

I can think of many things that aren't in the Constitution. Compulsory education is not a right, yet there are various public systems that have created it. In fact, not only is it a "right", but it is mandatory. We have truant officers that will force kids and their parents to engage in education, whether they want to or not.

We don't have the Constitutional right to vote, but we have the constitutional right to be protected from not being allowed to vote based on race, sex, and age.

Does every action that we consider to be the bedrock of freedom have to be listed in the Constitution?

I don't think so.

You keep trying to make this a Constitutional argument. It's not. It is about basic human rights that SHOULD be available to tax-paying, law-abiding, citizens of the U.S.
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So far I haven't seen where you've talked about how same-sex marriage would be harmful. You've only said that you're a "traditionalist", which implies a fear of change.
Can you admit that same-sex marriage would benefit same-sex couples and their families?
Sure. But I'd also point out that granting amnesty to the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens would benefit them, and their families, too. Doesn't make it right, however.
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Excellent point and good observation on your part.It seems these sodomite judges think we cannot vote something up or down, the Judge has to step in and nullify the wishes of the majority of the citizens of California. So that's 1 man equals 38,041,430 citizen votes. A very valid question too, Why should I vote, when 1 man is going to take it away. A wasted vote on a very important issue in this state of sodomites.
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Ok, I don't really care if same sex people get married or are together in any capacity. I am for equal rights BUT.......... I am very annoyed that peoples votes don't mean anything anymore. What happened to a majority vote rules? What happened to the peoples voice?
My stance on this has nothing to do with same sex couples. This is just the latest thing a court has overturned or blocked that THE PEOPLE voted for. Look at AZ., look back at prop. 187 which would have saved is billions in illegal immigrant funding. The people of the USA are trying to make changes to better our country and the few judges are effectively disenfranchising us.
Again this is not directed at same sex couples it is major frustration over the majority loosing there voice.
WHY VOTE????

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If two men enter into a marriage, they are still are men according to the law.
If two women enter into a marriage, they are still are men according to the law.
Not in 32 states. The point is men are treated like men, and women like women. Marriage, in those 32 states is a union of one man and one woman, regardless of orientation.
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Well, maybe it should be in the Constitution. Maybe the founding fathers didn't believe that it needed to be listed--believed that it was just a "given" that people have the right to marry.
I can think of many things that aren't in the Constitution. Compulsory education is not a right, yet there are various public systems that have created it. In fact, not only is it a "right", but it is mandatory. We have truant officers that will force kids and their parents to engage in education, whether they want to or not.
We don't have the Constitutional right to vote, but we have the constitutional right to be protected from not being allowed to vote based on race, sex, and age.
Does every action that we consider to be the bedrock of freedom have to be listed in the Constitution?
I don't think so.
You keep trying to make this a Constitutional argument. It's not. It is about basic human rights that SHOULD be available to tax-paying, law-abiding, citizens of the U.S.
This "Maybe the founding fathers didn't believe that it needed to be listed--believed that it was just a "given" that people have the right to marry." is weak, IMHO. They did not list marriage. No "should've's" about it. But, they did leave it up to the states to determine marriage laws. There are a lot of things that we take for granted that are not in the Constitution.

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So far I haven't seen where you've talked about how same-sex marriage would be harmful. You've only said that you're a "traditionalist", which implies a fear of change.
Can you admit that same-sex marriage would benefit same-sex couples and their families?
What benefits do you speak of, please be specific? Would such benefits provide justification for legal plural marriage?

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Well, maybe it should be in the Constitution. Maybe the founding fathers didn't believe that it needed to be listed--believed that it was just a "given" that people have the right to marry.
Does the "right to marry" only exist if the state legally recognizes marriage? If people marry according to the dictates of their religion, but seek, nor receive state recognition, did they still exercise their right to marry?
You keep trying to make this a Constitutional argument. It's not. It is about basic human rights that SHOULD be available to tax-paying, law-abiding, citizens of the U.S.
It is, in all fifty states.
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But then, these words, right here: "But right now, they do," grant validity to these words, right here: "So, these rights were not always present for the gays, making my statement correct. These "rights" have been granted, then removed again. now, it is in flux.". It's all about the context of the timeline. Not always means that they had to have been granted, at a time when it was not legal. Making me correct. No "rights" have been denied, they were wrongly bestowed. That is the only wrong going on, here. The 18,000 need to be annulled. Then, we'll be back on track. Where we belong.
Yes, they do, and have since they were married here, and still will be even if prop 8 is upheld, I know you canít comprehend that part... takes a little education.

No they will not force the annulment of 18,000 marriages... that will not happen. I can imagine the lawsuits

Did you want to make a wager?
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Yes, they do, and have since they were married here, and still will be even if prop 8 is upheld, I know you canít comprehend that part... takes a little education.
No they will not force the annulment of 18,000 marriages... that will not happen. I can imagine the lawsuits
Did you want to make a wager?
So what does your wife do while you cruise the gay threads Big D?
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Men and women are equally allowed to select a marriage partner of the opposite sex. No discrimination there. Should be easy, even for you, to grasp.
Amen!
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...bla bla bla...I know you canít comprehend that part... takes a little education....bla bla bla...Did you want to make a wager?
You are truly insufferable.

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Sure. But I'd also point out that granting amnesty to the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens would benefit them, and their families, too. Doesn't make it right, however.
But you still don't clearly explain your opposition to same-sex marriage other than to say that you object to it out of traditionalism.

If only you could explain it...

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