Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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ColdWinter

Covina, CA

#191616 May 9, 2013
International investigators said that they found an email exchange with an account associated with a criminal money laundering operation in St. Petersburg, Russia, describing how to and where to make the wire transfers.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191617 May 9, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said or implied that you said that, I was asking. I actually figured, wrongly, that you would welcome them.
every person that commits is commiting a crime

every person that drives over the speed limit is commiting a crime

it is a wide range, don’t assume too much

My desire to secure our borders has nothing whatsoever to do with color, culture, race, of food preference. Notice our largest border is the least secure, the one to the north
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191618 May 9, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes we did... read up on the subject first, 18,000 same sex couples were married before Prop 8 went into effect. It was a legal right, they legally married, are still legally married today and recognized by the state as married.
That right.. was removed, new same sex couples do not have the same rights as the 18,000 that did marry and are still married.
It would seem that this issue has been flip-flopping a lot.
"From the enactment of legislation in 1971 to replace gendered pronouns with gender-neutral pronouns, until 1977, California Civil Code § 4100 defined marriage as "a personal relation arising out of a civil contract, to which the consent of the parties capable of making that contract is necessary." This definition was uniformly interpreted as including only opposite-sex partners, but, because of worries that the language was unclear, Assembly Bill No. 607 was proposed and later passed to "prohibit persons of the same sex from entering lawful marriage." The act amended the Civil Code to define marriage as "a personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman, to which the consent of the parties capable of making that contract is necessary."[17] Since 1994, this language is found in § 300 of the Family Code"

"City officials in San Francisco claimed that although the 2004 marriages were prohibited by state law, the state law was invalidated by the Equal Protection Clause. The mayor echoed this view, permitting the marriages because he believed the state law was unconstitutional. However, legislators and groups opposing same-sex marriages quickly reacted, filing a suit and requesting a court order to prevent the city from performing the ceremonies. Additionally, the California state agency that records marriages stated that altered forms, including any marriage licenses issued to same-sex couples, would not be registered. The legal validity of the marriages was tested in the courts, and the marriages were ultimately voided by the state Supreme Court."
"As of June 16, 2008, gay couples can get married in California.

The change in California marriage laws is due to the 5/15/08 California Supreme Court ruling that "the right to marry in California extends equally to all, gay and straight alike."
Source: Bob Egelko, "State's top court strikes down marriage ban"

From differing sources. Please, do not assume that I have not read up on the subject. It makes you look silly. It has not always been legal, hence, it was illegal, and is being bandied about. So, these rights were not always present for the gays, making my statement correct. These "rights" have been granted, then removed again. now, it is in flux.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191619 May 9, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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How about this one- If you make up stupid shit, people will think you are stupid.
Yes, you've shown us that, again and again. You keep at it, though. It's why we all agree that you are stupid. Like when you made the claim that bias does not exist in this forum. LOL Like when you make all those ridiculous claims like that, it's why we laugh at you. You're all mixed up.
hallelujah

Harrisonburg, VA

#191620 May 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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What does your wife do while you're cruising the gay threads bird man?
This is funny and the answer will be an interesting one.
hallelujah

Harrisonburg, VA

#191621 May 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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What does your wife do while you're cruising the gay threads bird man?
I was reading some of these war stories on another page and they are funny.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191622 May 9, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Wow..... how profound. <snark>
What is profound is your idiocy. I straighten out a misunderstanding, on the part of one of your fellows, and you mock it. Hilarious. You'll try to mock anything, no matter how off-target your shots may be.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191623 May 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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No I researched the numbers. You can too. Please do, if you are not too ignorant to accomplish that simple task.
But you'd rather shoot from the hip and call me stupid as a response. And then say your opinions are valid and mine are not.
Bulls-eye, old chap, bulls-eye!
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191624 May 9, 2013
hallelujah wrote:
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Why is it "Jizzy" posts get removed?
They don't. He posts under another name, now. Don't know why. They should, though, for being off-topic.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191625 May 9, 2013
Big D wrote:
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It gets boring wiping the floor with him after a while, just too easy to do.
Another false claim, from the Minister Of Propaganda.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191626 May 9, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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What's a "gerbal" and why do you bring it up? What do "gerbals" have to do with marriage equality?
Gerbils are the subject of other forums, the ones for fun and joking, perhaps you are lost. This is a thread about the judge overturns the ban on SSM.
Polygamy is off topic but "gerbals" are not?
He was posting to Goebbels, The Reich Minister Of Enlightenment And Propaganda. Goebbels, gerbals, not much difference there.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191629 May 9, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Frank do you enjoy being a jackass? You make fun of gay people and think that you are funny. Did it ever occur to you that gay people find you offensive?
To you the issue of marriage equality is nothing more than a joke. Frank to the LGBT family, its not funny.
You are mistaken. He, as do I, targets idiots, no matter which side of the fence they sit on.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191630 May 9, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>If sexuality does not matter, then why should two men or two women be denied the same rights as a man and woman?
Look up "sexuality". Look up "gender". Examine the differences. See? Easy. They are not the same thing. You are confusing the former with the latter. Obfuscation again. Semantic hopscotch. Literary leapfrog. Identification issues. Detail dementia.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191631 May 9, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>My friend you are correct. I just enjoy messing with his head. Its a real mind fluck.
LOL Do you really imagine that a pimple on the ass of humanity, like yourself, could bother Frank? It is to laugh. Thanks for the joke. Need some more iodine?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191632 May 9, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you deflecting ? What does incest have to do with the subject of marriage? How will same sex marriage harm your marriage, life, life style or children?
You REALLY are confused. Marriage is an institution that is closed to siblings, and wrongly, too. They should have equality. Don't you agree? Where is their ability to enjoy the same rights as any other American? Answer that, if you can do so, without twisting. Brother and sister, or brother and brother, for that matter. Point blank question. Where is their marriage? Out in the field, getting soaked by the "You don't count" storm? Who says that they do not rate? YOU?
For God

Corydon, IN

#191633 May 9, 2013
why
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191634 May 9, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Still looking for Jebus? Have you checked your closet?
I found him in my garage once, but I called the cops and had him arrested for trespassing, He was hiding behind the water heater
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191635 May 9, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Another false claim, from the Minister Of Propaganda.
no claim, I have seen doezns of people here do it, nothing to it
yayo

Berkeley, CA

#191636 May 9, 2013
Si
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191637 May 9, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
It would seem that this issue has been flip-flopping a lot.
"From the enactment of legislation in 1971 to replace gendered pronouns with gender-neutral pronouns, until 1977, California Civil Code § 4100 defined marriage as "a personal relation arising out of a civil contract, to which the consent of the parties capable of making that contract is necessary." This definition was uniformly interpreted as including only opposite-sex partners, but, because of worries that the language was unclear, Assembly Bill No. 607 was proposed and later passed to "prohibit persons of the same sex from entering lawful marriage." The act amended the Civil Code to define marriage as "a personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman, to which the consent of the parties capable of making that contract is necessary."[17] Since 1994, this language is found in § 300 of the Family Code"
"City officials in San Francisco claimed that although the 2004 marriages were prohibited by state law, the state law was invalidated by the Equal Protection Clause. The mayor echoed this view, permitting the marriages because he believed the state law was unconstitutional. However, legislators and groups opposing same-sex marriages quickly reacted, filing a suit and requesting a court order to prevent the city from performing the ceremonies. Additionally, the California state agency that records marriages stated that altered forms, including any marriage licenses issued to same-sex couples, would not be registered. The legal validity of the marriages was tested in the courts, and the marriages were ultimately voided by the state Supreme Court."
"As of June 16, 2008, gay couples can get married in California.
The change in California marriage laws is due to the 5/15/08 California Supreme Court ruling that "the right to marry in California extends equally to all, gay and straight alike."
Source: Bob Egelko, "State's top court strikes down marriage ban"
From differing sources. Please, do not assume that I have not read up on the subject. It makes you look silly. It has not always been legal, hence, it was illegal, and is being bandied about. So, these rights were not always present for the gays, making my statement correct. These "rights" have been granted, then removed again. now, it is in flux.
You can take your argument up with the state of California that currently legally recognizes 18,000 same sex marriages. But I expect prop 8 will be overturned before you can get a hearing to challenge them, which will make your effort to have them not recognize those marriages moot.

But right now, they do,

California 18,000
Rock Hudson zip

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