Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,179

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191381 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Bingo
They are frightened, unsure of their own sexuality they are afraid you will “convert” them.
It is their believe that homosexuality is a choice you make that drives this.
I have always been supportive of people that happen to be homosexual, I was around people when I was younger ( like high scho0l ) who were openly homosexual. I happen to be heterosexual and comfortable and sure of my sexuality.
I was approached, I just smiled and told them I was straight but thank you for the complement and they thanked me for saying it that way.
But the people you are talking to here, I don’t think are that comfortable with their own sexuality
No, D, it's you that is frightened. We are all sure of our sexuality. Don't presume to know about us.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191382 May 8, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text> Well that would make it NATURAL, now wouldn't it?
Errr.....No, it wouldn't. It would make it aberrational. Innate and normal are not the same thing.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191383 May 8, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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Hmmm.... While we're at it.....
>Looks at title of forum<
.....Umm..... Ah, never mind, it doesn't matter anyway, you haven't come in here to discuss Prop 8, any more than any of the rest of us...
Great post.
Magestic

Covina, CA

#191384 May 8, 2013
But Chinese petitioners to the White House are likely to find that appeals to Obama are even less effective than appeals to their own leaders in Beijing.

There is an old, oft-cited Chinese saying that describes the remoteness of the country’s leaders:“The mountains are high and the emperor is far away”.

An updated version may be in order:“The ocean is vast and the emperor is even farther”.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191385 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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How many are "nearly"?
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So u won't be taking Christmas as a day off from work?
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"Thousands"? Really? So who is stopping them from performing a religious wedding ceremony?
D spends a lot of time lying. I prove this to myself every day. He will claim that almost the entire nation supports his cult, but it is a lie. He will claim all kinds of numbers that do not have any basis in reality. He is a propagandist.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191386 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Orrrrrrrrrrr....no dissension is allowed? All must toe the party line, comrade? If one of your children offered a dissenting opinion, would s/he be "reeducated"?
I'll bet that's true.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191387 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are free to decent all you want, there are a lot of people living in this country that do not agree with our nations values.
I am not the one that used that word
What I object to is your desire to remove freedom and justice from others. We have 2 classes of homosexual people now, those that are legally married, and those that wish to be legally married and cannot.
That wrong is about to be resolved.
Oh? Are they about to nullify the first batch?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191388 May 8, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You guys always want to base this issue on history.
Here's the thing... We participate in many social activities and have created new social institutions that do not have a firm basis in history.
Most modern, First World societies on the planet have some kind of compulsory education program for kids and teens. Though, looking back you'll find only scattered instances of compulsory education throughout the history of mankind. And the vast majority of those examples were closely tied to religion--not the sciences, math, language, etc.
Look at how women are treated in today's First World nations. Equality of the sexes has never been more pervasive than it is today.
Human rights and equality are also fairly modern concepts. Our current societies don't keep slaves. We strive to treat one another humanely. Folks are encouraged to explore new ideas. Freedom of speech, the freedom to travel, the freedom to own property, the freedom to worship (or not worship), the freedom from unjust laws and treatments are just a few of the widespread values that most modern day, Western cultures embrace.
Our economy is new. Cultures in the past relied heavily on agriculture and trade. Today, however, we buy and sell abstract ideas and technologies.
The bottom line is that our society today looks VERY different than societies of the past.
So why should we base the notion of marriage on the past? Why can't we embrace a new notion of marriage? It's not like marriage has remained static over the eons. There have been marriages between one man and one woman; one man and many women, arranged marriages, marriages based on love, marriages based on wealth. And has been pointed out numerous times, there have been same-sex marriage and various times in mankind's history.
Our ability to alter the current man-woman marriage arrangement SHOULD NOT be based on history.
History, in and of itself, SHOULD NOT define our current society, nor should it define our future society.
Fear of change is a bona-fide fear. But it does not mean that we should halt in our tracks. It does not mean that we should cling to the past.
If we allow the fear of change to overtake us, then our future is going to be pretty bleak.
Same-sex marriage will not impact anyone other than those same-sex couples who enter into marriage.
Stop being afraid of it.
Please, define the word "fear" as you misuse it, in here? Because, I'm beginning to suspect that we're not speaking the same language. I'm using English, and I wish to understand your language, as well.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191389 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Oh Madone! They voted on a definition of marriage as a union of one MAN AND one WOMAN. That's it. Where is your patriotism on that? So the voters of California who voted TWICE to define marriage as it was understood in the state, and you argue "we are not an Athenian style democracy"? Patriotic Americans went to the polls and declared legal marriage to be a....... are you ready for this radical idea? A union of husband and wife! Where the heck did they get such a crazy idea. Before ya know it some tofu eating tree hugger will claim sex between men and women makes babies.
Well, as a witch, I'd like to state, for the record, that I am a steak man, myself. "Moo".
:-D
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191390 May 8, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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What's radical is the belief that the majority thinks it gets to deny rights to the minority.
Juxtaposition! We're not denying any rights to any Americans. We're just not granting anything new, for sexually aberrant couples.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191391 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I was a typo, "If one couple doesn't spawn, humanity will die out?"
Yer whole life is a typo.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191392 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Life site news!?
LOL.
Chimerism is a recognized defect, right?
:)
"Opps". You are a recognized defect.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191393 May 8, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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It's a Virgo trait. I'm ruled by my planets.
And, as a Libra, I am better qualified to judge this whole issue.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191394 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Yes they are, they are legal marriages as legal as anyone else’s
Your opinion of their marriage is no more important than my low opinion of your marriage, the only opinion that has any weight, any weight at all, is the legal opinion, and they ARE married.... period
And, of course, you base your "low opinion" of his marriage on his position. As a true American would do. "You only matter if you believe what I believe", right? And, "Anyone who disagrees with The Big D can go to hell", right?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#191395 May 8, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Shorter paragraphs, double spacing between them, I like that but words! Too many words! Pretend they cost $10 each and say the same thing.
Sorry. Can't help it.
I'll tell you what... When you pay me to write (or not write) whatever is on my mind, I'll consider your criticism.

Until then, I'll say what I want in a manner that pleases me.

If you don't want to take the time to read what I've got to say, then by all means, move on.

Last time I looked, I pay my own Comcast bill each month. I paid for this computer that I'm using. And I certainly pay for the electricity to run my little operation.

So for now, I'll type whatever I please.

You feel free to do the same.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191396 May 8, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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So, you DO believe that 90% of us are operating under a mass delusion? Well, since 90% of us have a belief in religion of one sort or another, that particular belief serves the community at large. Unlike SSM, which caters to a small percentage. Thus making religion more valid than your cult.
90%

Welcome to the 21st century

It has not been 90% for a long long time
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191397 May 8, 2013
Bruno wrote:
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Thank you, we couldn't have said it better!!!.... You earned another banana, now go
You go, boy!
:-D
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191398 May 8, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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And, of course, you base your "low opinion" of his marriage on his position. As a true American would do. "You only matter if you believe what I believe", right? And, "Anyone who disagrees with The Big D can go to hell", right?
Not at all, I base it on the fear he has for his marriage, that others being able to marry will damage his marriage so very much, it must be terribly fragile
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191399 May 8, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>why you mad Frank? Flat tire on your chair? Tell us the one how you where a War hero when the Nazi's bombed Pearl Harbor
Oh, hell no. Tell me that you don't really think it was the Nazis....
Big D

Modesto, CA

#191400 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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This from the People's Republic of California. Helllloooooooo.....the people put the issue on the ballot and voted twice in the affirmative. Those pesky patriots voted for this:
"only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."
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American by birth, Italian by the grace of God. College grad. Former military reservist. Married with children.....
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Grandma and Grandpa would be proud. Oh wait they were naturalized citizens.
dead wrong, there are 18,000 legally recognized same sex marriages in California right now

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