Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,364

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#188856 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to sue anyone, I simply want to discuss marriage equality.
so how would you suggest we work the new laws for say, social security benefits to start, for a polygamous marriage so it is equal to a two person marriage?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188857 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so how would you suggest we work the new laws for say, social security benefits to start, for a polygamous marriage so it is equal to a two person marriage?
I dunno. Shouldn't be that hard. I don't want to discuss the technicalities of implementing it, only the concept as it applies to marriage equality.

I think poly should be allowed. I also think incest marriage should be allowed. I get a lot of weird and fervent resistance which I attribute to hypocrisy. I try to reveal that hypocrisy. I get shouted down. It's passes the time when I'm bored.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188858 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>agreed...
the Le Jimbo/ Au contrair/ My Portal character on these pages is already dancing on the dead bodies in this tragedy tryin to spin it politically against Obama...
some people are beyond reproach...
I've seen it blamed on a "crazed homosexual" on one of these wholesome and friendly topix threads.

Maybe Obama really did do it. Or Bush!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188859 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, I cannot argue with a moron who insists I don't support my own argument. It's impossible.
But maybe you'll answer one question for me. Why would I lie? What possible motivation would I have to come here and attempt to argue a position I don't support?
You argument that I am lying is a straw man to avoid revealing your hypocrisy.
You are the moron that says you wonít support your own argument, I asked if you were going to be active, get signatures for a ballot measure or what have you, and you said no.

You once said that you personally are not interested in Poly at all for yourself. So what exactly is your obsession with it in a forum about prop 8 that will not affect poly in any way whatsoever still as illegal as it was before prop 8 and will still be after prop 8 is overturned?

What exactly is your obsession with it?

I know the answer of course, so does everyone else.

But you sure donít like it when we call you on it ( which of course is why we do )
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#188860 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to sue anyone, I simply want to discuss marriage equality.
you have. you have had responses. now you're down to repeating yourself. move along to other points you may have.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#188861 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is exactly what we don't need after this act of terrible act of murder and mayhem. Idiots assigning blame with absolutely no evidence, only some personal hate they want an excuse to spew.
i actually have to agree with you on this one post.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188864 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is exactly what we don't need after this act of terrible act of murder and mayhem. Idiots assigning blame with absolutely no evidence, only some personal hate they want an excuse to spew.
Agreed, actual information first, we donít need finger pointing and political blame until we actually know what we are up against.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188865 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the moron that says you wonít support your own argument, I asked if you were going to be active, get signatures for a ballot measure or what have you, and you said no.
You once said that you personally are not interested in Poly at all for yourself. So what exactly is your obsession with it in a forum about prop 8 that will not affect poly in any way whatsoever still as illegal as it was before prop 8 and will still be after prop 8 is overturned?
What exactly is your obsession with it?
I know the answer of course, so does everyone else.
But you sure donít like it when we call you on it ( which of course is why we do )
I simply want to discuss marriage equality. What is your obsession with assigning me motives?

You were discussing space travel this morning. Have you traveled in space? If not, by your logic you shouldn't be allowed to discuss it.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188866 Apr 16, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
you have. you have had responses. now you're down to repeating yourself. move along to other points you may have.
Most responses have been dishonest and/or hypocritical. Many SSM supporters here are hypocrites. And many are liars. And that is my main point. I will continue to make it. Maybe it's time for you to "move along to other points" though.

Polygamy deserves the same respect and consideration as same sex marriage.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188867 Apr 16, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
i actually have to agree with you on this one post.
Drat! I'm slipping! You jackasses are agreeing with me.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188868 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply want to discuss marriage equality. What is your obsession with assigning me motives?
You were discussing space travel this morning. Have you traveled in space? If not, by your logic you shouldn't be allowed to discuss it.
For what reason? Why are you so interested in Poly when it is not something you are interested in yourself.

It isnít a crazy question, I am very interested in Same Sex marriage however I am personally not affected by it at all. Because I actually believe in the American values of justice, freedom and equality regardless of Race, Creed, Color, Sex, Religion, Orientation or National origin, that also happens to be the reason I would vote in favor of poly, country before religion.( well for me almost anything before religion )

But this is different, Prop 8 is not about Poly, it was illegal before, Illegal during, and will still be illegal when Prop 8 is overturned.

When we say we would support poly you go straight to incest, which is blow by blow the slippery slope argument from the religious nut jobs we have been hearing for years.

If it waddles like a duck, and looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can be fairly sure.. it is a duck.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#188869 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Most responses have been dishonest and/or hypocritical. Many SSM supporters here are hypocrites. And many are liars. And that is my main point. I will continue to make it. Maybe it's time for you to "move along to other points" though.
Polygamy deserves the same respect and consideration as same sex marriage.
your points have been made and noted. obviously many disagree with you. is this all you have to add to the discussion regarding the judge overturning Prop 8? do you have anything pertinent to say regarding possible SCOTUS rulings or findings?

Prop 8 dealt with the definition of marriage being a man and a woman - and the couples that brought the trial forward are same sex couples - not a poly-marriage group. all facts presented in court, all expert testimony presented in court is based upon the those that brought the suit forward by being same sex couples. there was never anything included in any discussion, except in your desire to divert the discussion, in regards to poly-marriage of any sort.

do you have anything pertinent to add to the discussion with respect to the judge's findings on any level? any of the facts presented? any of the experts or their testimony in court? the appeal? SCOTUS's hearings? anything along those lines?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188870 Apr 16, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the moron that says you wonít support your own argument, I asked if you were going to be active, get signatures for a ballot measure or what have you, and you said no.
You once said that you personally are not interested in Poly at all for yourself. So what exactly is your obsession with it in a forum about prop 8 that will not affect poly in any way whatsoever still as illegal as it was before prop 8 and will still be after prop 8 is overturned?
What exactly is your obsession with it?
I know the answer of course, so does everyone else.
But you sure donít like it when we call you on it ( which of course is why we do )
So if I am not out in my wheelchair gathering signatures I cannot discuss it? Please show me where you found that rule and please tell me why would I observe that stupid rule?

Do you mention Mars to the school kiddies? STOP! you have never been to Mars! You are not allowed to discuss it!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#188871 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I've seen it blamed on a "crazed homosexual" on one of these wholesome and friendly topix threads.
Maybe Obama really did do it. Or Bush!
Bush did it...puhlease...it would have been Cheney! snark!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#188872 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I dunno. Shouldn't be that hard. I don't want to discuss the technicalities of implementing it, only the concept as it applies to marriage equality.
I think poly should be allowed. I also think incest marriage should be allowed. I get a lot of weird and fervent resistance which I attribute to hypocrisy. I try to reveal that hypocrisy. I get shouted down. It's passes the time when I'm bored.
but sibling cannot get married now, regardless of their gender, so htat argument makes no sense.

if hte details of hte polygamous marriage are nto worked out, how can you say it would be equal? three wives getting the same survivor benefits for SS? not equal to my marriage...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188873 Apr 16, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
your points have been made and noted. obviously many disagree with you. is this all you have to add to the discussion regarding the judge overturning Prop 8? do you have anything pertinent to say regarding possible SCOTUS rulings or findings?
Prop 8 dealt with the definition of marriage being a man and a woman - and the couples that brought the trial forward are same sex couples - not a poly-marriage group. all facts presented in court, all expert testimony presented in court is based upon the those that brought the suit forward by being same sex couples. there was never anything included in any discussion, except in your desire to divert the discussion, in regards to poly-marriage of any sort.
do you have anything pertinent to add to the discussion with respect to the judge's findings on any level? any of the facts presented? any of the experts or their testimony in court? the appeal? SCOTUS's hearings? anything along those lines?
My point is simple. Supporting same sex marriage but not polygamy is hypocritical.

The fact that it makes you and Big D angry is just more evidence that it is hypocritical.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188874 Apr 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Bush did it...puhlease...it would have been Cheney! snark!
I notice Obama in his second term has stopped saying he inherited a bad economy.

Look at the Middle East before and after Obama.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#188875 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is simple. Supporting same sex marriage but not polygamy is hypocritical.
The fact that it makes you and Big D angry is just more evidence that it is hypocritical.
ok. so you stated your opinion. keep in mind, everyone has the same right as you to form their own opinion.

and i'm far from angry. strangers on the internet do not have that capacity to control my emotions. you just don't like being called out on your slipperly slope arguments as big d is doing.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188876 Apr 16, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
your points have been made and noted. obviously many disagree with you. is this all you have to add to the discussion regarding the judge overturning Prop 8? do you have anything pertinent to say regarding possible SCOTUS rulings or findings?
Prop 8 dealt with the definition of marriage being a man and a woman - and the couples that brought the trial forward are same sex couples - not a poly-marriage group. all facts presented in court, all expert testimony presented in court is based upon the those that brought the suit forward by being same sex couples. there was never anything included in any discussion, except in your desire to divert the discussion, in regards to poly-marriage of any sort.
do you have anything pertinent to add to the discussion with respect to the judge's findings on any level? any of the facts presented? any of the experts or their testimony in court? the appeal? SCOTUS's hearings? anything along those lines?
What part of prop 8 "marriage is one man one woman only" confuses you?

Prop 8 discriminates against polygamy the same as it does against same sex marriage. You know, equally. It's a simple concept really. "one" means exactly what it says.

Don't hog all the victimhood.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#188877 Apr 16, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
So if I am not out in my wheelchair gathering signatures I cannot discuss it? Please show me where you found that rule and please tell me why would I observe that stupid rule?
Do you mention Mars to the school kiddies? STOP! you have never been to Mars! You are not allowed to discuss it!
It isnít that you arenít allowed to discuss it Frankie, you can say whatever you want here, and we can laugh at you for it, the same as you laugh at us for anything and everything we say. Donít pretend you donít it is far too late for that.

That isnít the point, the point is if you are going to use the decades old standard playbook against same sex marriage, word for word that we have been hearing for years... donít be too surprised when we call you on it.

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