Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,795

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186696 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Do it
Get the signatures for a ballot measure on those
please take video for You tube
I love the slippery slope arguments. Making Guns legal will lead to making personal atomic weapons legal... it is a slippery slope!
I want pictures of your goat before you propose
Poly is likely to happen at some point... I wont live long enough to worry about the others.
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/marriage.pdf
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186697 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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They were also considered rebels, and traitors, to the crown. Mid 19th century Southerners were also considered rebels, and traitors. History is written by the victors.
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True
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Up is now down, left is now right, who is on first.....
Oh yes... I like Franklin, treason is a term made up by the winners to use as an excuse for hanging the losers. Or something like that, not a direct quote

I can show logically that black is white

personally I think we are too hung up on words, the word marriage does not frighten me at all. I can have it, they can have it, and their having it does not change my own.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186698 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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That is what I donít understand, I am a heterosexual male, married with 4 kids, none of the happen to be gay. 18,000 same sex couples legally married in California.
My marriage was not harmed in any way, none of my childrenís marriages where harmed.
What is the big deal?
They want to deny others happiness, out of what... meanness? spite? they canít claim any harm.
I just donít get what the big deal is, if they want to marry, let them, it harms no one.
Sweetie your absolutely right... It harms no hetero and only serves to strenghten the very things they claim it harms which leaves you with only one motive on there part... Hate!!

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186699 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>If you want "equality" and "marriage" like everybody else, then marry, enter into a legally recognized, in ALL fifty states, union of husband and wife, like everybody else. Stop arguing for something different and saying you're not.
Are skinny people different than fat people? Are tall people different than short. Do some men like big girls as opposed to small. Do some people like mushrooms and some don't. It's all preference. Just as I am attracted to men. Not all men I also have my preference as to a type just as a straight man does to a certain type of women. You can't "choose" what you like or are attracted to. So stop trying to say being gay is a choice. It's not. I was married to a woman and tried to live up to society's expectations. I was unhappy because I wasn't being true to myself or my feelings. You would rather have all gay men marry women and have unhealthy marriages. That's a stupid solution. Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186700 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Do it
Sounds like a Nike commercial.
Get the signatures for a ballot measure on those
please take video for You tube
Why should rights be voted on? Why shouldn't marriage equality apply to everyone? Aren't those a couple of slogans uttered by SSMers?
I love the slippery slope arguments. Making Guns legal will lead to making personal atomic weapons legal... it is a slippery slope!
Great analogy Potsie! How quickly the SSMers scream, "Slipperly slope", "That's not fair", instead of having the honesty to admit they're legitimate possibilities.
I want pictures of your goat before you propose
Easy Big D.....keep your sexual fantasies to yourself. No one mentioned a goat.
Poly is likely to happen at some point...
See.....marriage equality is on the march.
I wont live long enough to worry about the others.
That would be "other", marriage between siblings....basically blood relatives....other than first cousins. So what you're implying is, you won't be around to see the total devaluation of marriage by the state?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186701 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Not at all. We want equality. Just as blacks had their own bathrooms, drinking fountains etc. yes they had their own bathrooms and water to drink but they also just wanted equality. Just as you want to say we can have civil unions we want marriage. It's the same principal. 40 years from now you will look just as stupid as those that were for their civil rights.
LOL...please don't insult African Americans.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186702 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Are skinny people different than fat people?
They weigh less and an airline has proposed weighing passengers to determine equal fares.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186703 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Your view is skewed. Blacks couldn't marry whites because you bible bumpers didnt want it how's that working for you?
Sounds like you're equating race with gender/sexes. There's only two sexes. Numerous races/ethnicities. Interracial marriage bans only banned certain racial combinations, not all. For example Blacks could marry "orientals" but not whites. A person of mixed racial/ethnicity coulld marry.....?

That's why the analogy fails

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186704 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>LOL...please don't insult African Americans.
I don't insult anyone I leave to religious homophobic bigots like you.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186705 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for.
Most of us here against gay marriage are not against people being gay whether you were born that way or had surgery to change into it. Like Bono's daughter that changed from Lesbian to straight with surgery and her/his girlfriend that went from Lesbian to straight without surgery.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186706 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie your absolutely right... It harms no hetero and only serves to strenghten the very things they claim it harms which leaves you with only one motive on there part... Hate!!
A lot of things people do like Harvey Milk and his teen boys didn't harm me, marrying a sister doesn't harm me....but does that make it right?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186707 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Sounds like a Nike commercial.
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Why should rights be voted on? Why shouldn't marriage equality apply to everyone? Aren't those a couple of slogans uttered by SSMers?
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Great analogy Potsie! How quickly the SSMers scream, "Slipperly slope", "That's not fair", instead of having the honesty to admit they're legitimate possibilities.
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Easy Big D.....keep your sexual fantasies to yourself. No one mentioned a goat.
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See.....marriage equality is on the march.
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That would be "other", marriage between siblings....basically blood relatives....other than first cousins. So what you're implying is, you won't be around to see the total devaluation of marriage by the state?
I have tried once to show someone why it would not fly yet, and he could not separate what I was trying to show from my actual position on the subject

Donít want to go through that again

Go get the signatures on those measures and the general public can inform you of why that cannot happenÖ at least yet. Or if you donít think you need public consent ( understand that if we put overturning Prop 8 on a ballot, it will be overturned in a walk which is exactly what will happen if the Supremes donít do the right thing ), then go to court for your issues, and let them inform you.

My marriage has not been devalued one tiny little bit by 18,000 same sex couples being legally married right now in California.

If yours was, if you were actually harmed by their being able to marry why didnít you show up in court, your lawyers could not find a single couple to show up in court to show how their marriage was harmed.

But to be honest I would take a look at your marriage and try to find out why yours is so fragile, that would probably do you more good than worrying about what other people are doing.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#186708 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Sounds like you're equating race with gender/sexes. There's only two sexes. Numerous races/ethnicities. Interracial marriage bans only banned certain racial combinations, not all. For example Blacks could marry "orientals" but not whites. A person of mixed racial/ethnicity coulld marry.....?
That's why the analogy fails
...and yet, the analogy still prevailed in court before a seated judge.

and you, an internet stranger, proclaims it as invalid. yeah. sure. we're buying every word you type pal.

LOL

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186709 Apr 5, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Most of us here against gay marriage are not against people being gay whether you were born that way or had surgery to change into it. Like Bono's daughter that changed from Lesbian to straight with surgery and her/his girlfriend that went from Lesbian to straight without surgery.
Ok for one you need to know the difference. I am gay I was born a male and like men. I am in no way like a transgender person. I like my body and my penis and would never choose to be a woman or have it cut off. We are grouped into a category you might as well call other but we are all really separate groups based on what and who we like. So what do you propose 2 gay men that are in love and want to spend their lives together do to achieve the same societal standard as a male/female couple?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186710 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Are skinny people different than fat people? Are tall people different than short. Do some men like big girls as opposed to small. Do some people like mushrooms and some don't. It's all preference. Just as I am attracted to men.
Manly men, or girlie men? Just asking....you started it.
Not all men I also have my preference as to a type just as a straight man does to a certain type of women. You can't "choose" what you like or are attracted to. So stop trying to say being gay is a choice. It's not.
It is what it is. I don't think its as clear cut as you indicate....at least among women. Supposedly straight women "come out" later in life, after several years of marriage and kids, and previously self identified lesbians go straight. Go figure.
I was married to a woman and tried to live up to society's expectations. I was unhappy because I wasn't being true to myself or my feelings. You would rather have all gay men marry women and have unhealthy marriages. That's a stupid solution.
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Nooooooo.....never said that. However there are "mixed orientation" marriages.

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Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for.
Hmmmmmm....you may have a point there. Cute. Thanks for the chuckle.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186711 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like you're equating race with gender/sexes. There's only two sexes. Numerous races/ethnicities. Interracial marriage bans only banned certain racial combinations, not all. For example Blacks could marry "orientals" but not whites. A person of mixed racial/ethnicity coulld marry.....?

That's why the analogy fails
I'm talking about PEOPLE. Get the point. No 2 PEOPLE should have anyone tell them they can't be together based on race or gender or any other reason or difference. None of which can be chosen by the PERSON.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186712 Apr 5, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I have tried once to show someone why it would not fly yet, and he could not separate what I was trying to show from my actual position on the subject
Donít want to go through that again
Go get the signatures on those measures and the general public can inform you of why that cannot happenÖ at least yet. Or if you donít think you need public consent ( understand that if we put overturning Prop 8 on a ballot, it will be overturned in a walk which is exactly what will happen if the Supremes donít do the right thing ), then go to court for your issues, and let them inform you.
My marriage has not been devalued one tiny little bit by 18,000 same sex couples being legally married right now in California.
If yours was, if you were actually harmed by their being able to marry why didnít you show up in court, your lawyers could not find a single couple to show up in court to show how their marriage was harmed.
But to be honest I would take a look at your marriage and try to find out why yours is so fragile, that would probably do you more good than worrying about what other people are doing.
Oy. Spare us.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186713 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>Manly men, or girlie men? Just asking....you started it.

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Not all men I also have my preference as to a type just as a straight man does to a certain type of women. You can't "choose" what you like or are attracted to. So stop trying to say being gay is a choice. It's not.
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It is what it is. I don't think its as clear cut as you indicate....at least among women. Supposedly straight women "come out" later in life, after several years of marriage and kids, and previously self identified lesbians go straight. Go figure.

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I was married to a woman and tried to live up to society's expectations. I was unhappy because I wasn't being true to myself or my feelings. You would rather have all gay men marry women and have unhealthy marriages. That's a stupid solution.
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Nooooooo.....never said that. However there are "mixed orientation" marriages.

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Besides if us gays stole your women you wouldn't be left with any of the good looking ones. Be careful what you wish for. "

Hmmmmmm....you may have a point there. Cute. Thanks for the chuckle.
Do you actually have anything intelligent to discuss or is this your version of being a playground bully. Probably because you were the kid that got picked on in school.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186714 Apr 5, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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...and yet, the analogy still prevailed in court before a seated judge.
So a judge bought it......andddddddd....that means.....?
and you, an internet stranger, proclaims it as invalid. yeah. sure. we're buying every word you type pal.
LOL
Far easy to dismiss my point, than offer an opposing view.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186715 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Do you actually have anything intelligent to discuss or is this your version of being a playground bully. Probably because you were the kid that got picked on in school.
If you don't want to respond to my points, don't. "Playground bully...."?????

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