Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,038

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186451 Apr 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>Spot on.
How is not answering a simple question spot on. Well I guess for you avoiding intellectual debate is your typical style so you would think it to be spot on for someone else to do the same.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#186453 Apr 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought I was just pointing out how idiotic it is to equate an ever only duplicated sterile half to the gender diversity of marriage.
Most people don't know I'm a lesbian trapped in a straight man until I tell them.
Kind of messes up your gay twirl, doesn't it.
Smirk.
Most people DO know that you're a neurotic, delusional mess.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186454 Apr 4, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you can't answer my question??
I'm not stoping anyone from getting married but others are trying to stop me. How am I denying anyone anything??
You are denying them the right to be an ignorant bigot and a tyrant

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#186456 Apr 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>You are denying them the right to be an ignorant bigot and a tyrant
Ok that I will give you. Lol
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186457 Apr 4, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok that I will give you. Lol
Some people are so insecure, that they cannot feel good about themselves unless they are depriving others different than themselves.
Cruisin

Windsor, CA

#186458 Apr 4, 2013
Interesting comments and opinion here, comments and opinion non the less. No one has quoted The Constitution of the United States. It appears to obvious as to why. No one has quoted those people who wrote The Constitution or those who authored The Bill of Rights. Is anyone interested in preserving the rights of the people and the states? Doesn't "We the People" have any meaning? Which branch of elected represent "We the People"? Does anyone know the meaning of oligarchy? Does any care? Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said, "..I think IT NO BUSINESS OF THE COURTS AS OPPOSED TO THE POLITICAL BRANCHES TO TAKE SIDES IN THIS CULTURAL WAR...Today's opinion has NO foundation in American constitutional law , and barely pretends to. The people have adopted an entirely reasonable provision that which does not even disfavor homosexuals in any substantive sense, but merely denies them preferential treatment...STRIKING IT DOWN IS AN ACT, NOT OF JUDICIAL JUDGEMENT, BUT OF POLITICAL WILL."(emphasis added) Imposing his own judicially-driven political agenda on the people of California is not his job. he swore an oath when he accepted his position to defend and uphold The Constitution of The States. Did he lie? He does not have any power to do what he did. Who said, "All government of right originates from the people, is founded in consent, and was instituted for the general good."? If a person is going to comment on Constitutional matters and topics, it would stand to reason to know those documents that founded this country. Get educated, otherwise, it is a political agenda. The answer is very obvious. Impeach him.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186459 Apr 4, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>What will the great Obama do? Will his background as a street agitator prepare him for this? What will China do? China continued moving tanks and armored vehicles and flying flights near North Korea this week as part of a military buildup in the northeastern part of the country that U.S. officials say is related to the crisis with North Korea.
Crisis?

NK blusters and threats as they do every few years during exercises and then when they back down they will say... ok give me something for backing down.

This isnít a crisis, it is their standard and boring tactics for a hand out.

You really think they will attack? I mean full attack, not some lobbing of a few artillery shells.

Full attack... and lose their country, not going to happen.
Jarheads

Covina, CA

#186460 Apr 4, 2013
Just more stupid rattle trap posting by out of towner's.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186461 Apr 4, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>What will the great Obama do? Will his background as a street agitator prepare him for this? What will China do? China continued moving tanks and armored vehicles and flying flights near North Korea this week as part of a military buildup in the northeastern part of the country that U.S. officials say is related to the crisis with North Korea.
Obama will apologize to Kim Jong Un. Which is the worst thing he could do.

All the leaders of the players involved in both Koreas, China, Japan and the USA are new and untested. Anyone of them makes a dumb move there could be terrible consequences. The world is in their hands. Hope for sanity and no mistakes. Good luck to the world.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186462 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people DO know that you're a neurotic, delusional mess.
Takes one to know one.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186463 Apr 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people are so insecure, that they cannot feel good about themselves unless they are depriving others different than themselves.
Some people believe that polygamists are "child molesters and welfare cheats using polygamy to commit their crimes".
Factoids

Covina, CA

#186464 Apr 4, 2013
Steve Herfert along with Mike Touhey and George Ogden, all from West Covina, California have long vented their racists views toward people and residents.

All three are or have been employed by the city of West Covina, California along with E. Glassman the so called city attorney who it appears has and is not doing his job.

Feb. 05, 2013 - during a city council meeting a "stupid bigot" Steve Herfert blurted out a racists, slanderous comment, directed towards the only minority of the city council of West Covina, California.

Herfert was so ashamed is his actions he ran to lawyers to cover his behind, all the while staying away from city council meeting for a month or so.

THis is what a guilty person looks and acts like!

Now some racists supporter has written a cheap letter of support, wonder what this cost Steve Herfert?

West Covina councilman is nothing like a racist

I have known Steve Herfert since shortly after he first became a West Covina council person. He has been a leader in accomplishing significant things to the benefit of all who reside in West Covina and many who live in the San Gabriel Valley.

He is not a racist. To anyone in search of racists, my advice is don't overlook those who spew the innuendo most often and most loudly. They know that doing so almost assures a public outcry designed to inflict spiteful harm upon their target. Steve Herfert is undeserving of such spiteful harm. Rather, he is a dedicated public servant.

- William D. Booth, West Covina - lives in the gangster hang out called "the south hills' this is where the racists gather to hatch their plans.

THE SPINLESS PUKE WHO WROTE THIS LETTER SURE PUTS UP A LOT OF BULL, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACTS, STEVE HERFERT IS A RACISTS PIG, AND HE SAID IGNORANT STUPID THINGS IKE William d. booth has doe in his filthy letter to the editor.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186465 Apr 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people believe that polygamists are "child molesters and welfare cheats using polygamy to commit their crimes".
Some are, arrested and convicted of exactly that, some even pleaded guilty.

That doesnít mean Poly is bad, just that it has a really bad image problem that will need to be overcome before much progress will likely be made.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186466 Apr 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama will apologize to Kim Jong Un. Which is the worst thing he could do.
All the leaders of the players involved in both Koreas, China, Japan and the USA are new and untested. Anyone of them makes a dumb move there could be terrible consequences. The world is in their hands. Hope for sanity and no mistakes. Good luck to the world.
Of course not American never apologizes, even when proved wrong, even when we should apologize we donít.( I always found that funny )

No one is going to apologize to Kim, it isnít the absolute worst thing we could do. The worst thing we could do is attack, like we did in Iraq, only to find that all the bluffing was exactly that and have the rest of the world lose more trust in us.

He just wants attention, best to ignore him, keep watch, stay alert, but do not react, he will back down with his hand out, then ignore that too.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186467 Apr 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Some are, arrested and convicted of exactly that, some even pleaded guilty.
That doesnít mean Poly is bad, just that it has a really bad image problem that will need to be overcome before much progress will likely be made.
Some in monogamous marriages are too. So what? We don't deny them monogamous marriage.

Very few polygamists are child molesters and hardly any are welfare cheats, no more and probably less than in the general population. Stop with the ignorant bigotry and hate. Even if "many" of them are, we don't deny marriage to monogamous child molesters and welfare cheats. Why deny it to polygamous?

SSM used to have a "bad image problem" too. So what? And it doesn't have near the "really bad image" you portray.

P.S. The government created the "welfare cheat" problem. Since poly is illegal, all wives beyond one are single mothers, qualified for welfare.

P.P.S. What harm would a marriage of three consenting adult women cause anyone? Are they child molesters and welfare cheats just because they're polygamists?

You are as bigoted and ignorant about poly as opponents of SSM are about SSM.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186468 Apr 4, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Every single solitary straight person who has publically announced their opposition to same-sex marriage is in essence "outing" themselves as proud heterosexuals.
You guys get on television and go on and on about the evils of homosexuality, which is an explicit endorsement of the notion that heterosexuality is THE ONLY acceptable orientation in their eyes.
Your very protest against gays and same-sex marriage is a flagrant example of how you proclaim your heterosexuality.
And Randy, you do use media to announce your orientation. You're here talking about it right now.
Bottom line, LGBT people are going to continue to "come out" until such a time that it is no longer necessary.
You might as well get used to it.
VV

As I've pointed out not all who oppose SSM are straight, some are gay, and have publicly stated such.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186469 Apr 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Some in monogamous marriages are too. So what? We don't deny them monogamous marriage.
Very few polygamists are child molesters and hardly any are welfare cheats, no more and probably less than in the general population. Stop with the ignorant bigotry and hate. Even if "many" of them are, we don't deny marriage to monogamous child molesters and welfare cheats. Why deny it to polygamous?
SSM used to have a "bad image problem" too. So what? And it doesn't have near the "really bad image" you portray.
P.S. The government created the "welfare cheat" problem. Since poly is illegal, all wives beyond one are single mothers, qualified for welfare.
P.P.S. What harm would a marriage of three consenting adult women cause anyone? Are they child molesters and welfare cheats just because they're polygamists?
You are as bigoted and ignorant about poly as opponents of SSM are about SSM.
A lot of talk, I am not opposed, but you are going to have a difficult time getting signatures on a ballot until you have better role models. If you donít think that is trueÖ then go ahead, donít mind me.

Go for it... just letting you know there is a bit of an obstruction in front of you, but I am not that obstruction.

Just trying to make you aware, I will vote with you in favor of Poly
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186470 Apr 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
VV
As I've pointed out not all who oppose SSM are straight, some are gay, and have publicly stated such.
Can I have the same right that you demand? To deny rights to folks I dont like? I have a list
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186471 Apr 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of talk, I am not opposed, but you are going to have a difficult time getting signatures on a ballot until you have better role models. If you donít think that is trueÖ then go ahead, donít mind me.
Go for it... just letting you know there is a bit of an obstruction in front of you, but I am not that obstruction.
Just trying to make you aware, I will vote with you in favor of Poly
Once again, for the umpteenth time, I'm not going out and getting signatures, I simply want to fully explore marriage equality. Your attempts to simply dismiss other forms of marriage besides SSM and OSM as unpopular notwithstanding.

Back when SSM was being discussed we heard the same nonsense that you use against polygamy. It's irrelevant.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186472 Apr 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not American never apologizes, even when proved wrong, even when we should apologize we donít.( I always found that funny )
No one is going to apologize to Kim, it isnít the absolute worst thing we could do. The worst thing we could do is attack, like we did in Iraq, only to find that all the bluffing was exactly that and have the rest of the world lose more trust in us.
He just wants attention, best to ignore him, keep watch, stay alert, but do not react, he will back down with his hand out, then ignore that too.
Obama always apologizes, he had a tour in his first year. How did that work? It just created laughter.( I always found that funny ) it's cowards like you that would have rather we apologized to Hitler because Germany never attacked us. The difference between me and the liberal ( You ) is that I'm for setting the slave camps and the people free to not live under constant fear, you would rather keep them that way.

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