Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,745

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186011 Apr 1, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Nice try. Individual couples who cannot or choose not, to bear children, don't invalidate the premise as a whole. Do you have an alternative theory as to why marriage developed, and there's not a cross cultural cross time sustained ssm structure with deep seated roots?
To be perfectly honest, I think widespread "legal marriage" that we know today (whether through the state or through the church) developed simply as a means of record keeping.

Keep in mind that homosapien is believed to have been on the planet at least 100,000 years.

Imagine how it must have been in ancient, rural or sparsely populated areas of the world. Were there churches? Were there official governments?

My guess is that ancient people paired up and started families without the use of pastors or leaders or officials of any kind.

Widespread marriage came about much later.

I'm guessing... I have no proof.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186012 Apr 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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This is not a game or contest. No one laughed at another's position in the Supreme Court liar.
I support SSM your dopey paranoia notwithstanding.
You can lie all you want and declare I do not, but that's a very dumb way to argue and you will lose.
I didnít call anyone a liar, a joke was made, the question asked, the lawyers could not respond and the topic was dropped.

You can lie all you want, but it was laughed out of court, that is certainly my view of it and the view of quite a number of other people.

If you want to talk about losing, lets see what happens in the next couple of months with Prop 8 and DOMA

care to make a wager... loser?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186013 Apr 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Go start a religion thread or a I laugh at you thread. This one is about marriage equality. Which I support and you do not.
No thanks I will post what I like where I like, particularly as it seems to annoy you :)
Anonymous

Nassau, NY

#186014 Apr 1, 2013
Did anybody see the Jerry Springer episode today? I was just watching it, and that right there is why I think same sex relations are gross. You have guys who dress and act like girls, and girls who look and dress and act like guys. Total trash!!!!
Anonymous

Nassau, NY

#186015 Apr 1, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Did your imaginary playmate tell you this? Or do you think you are psychic?
Do you know how to read? He said he WAS married and now he's happy with men, so I'm guessing that's because his ex wife was so horrible he said the hell with woman I'm going to men!lol

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186016 Apr 1, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Not true I treat all religions equally
Christianity is as valid as Volcano worship, Islam is as valid as Scientology, all the same in the eyes of the law.
And you are free to believe one or all of the, and deserve equal protection and equal rights under the law in practicing them.
and we are free to laugh at them as well
You forgot your religion that requires a greater faith then all of them. The puddle of crud theory. Talk about fairy tales....LOL.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186017 Apr 1, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You know, just because something isn't openly discussed in history does not mean it didn't take place. There is an 11,600 year old drawing on a cave in Sicily that depicts homosexuality.
You won't likely find that in a traditional history book.
But given the age, I believe it qualifies as an example of how homosexual behavior has "deep seated roots" in the society of mankind.
Other depictions have been found that are 9,000 years old and over 4,000 years old.
Keep in mind that the Jewish race is believed to be about 3,800 years old.
So homosexuality was in place LONG before the name Yahweh was ever uttered from someone's lips.
Have I proven my point?
Not quite. I never said same sex sexual behavior is new. Quite the contrary. However despite its existence, it has not translated into SSM across time and place. If it did, would this debate be necessary? No, SSM would already b part of our culture.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186018 Apr 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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They didn't laugh the argument out of court. They politely laughed at the lame joke about older people procreating.
Thanks paisan.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#186019 Apr 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Hemp Telelgraph. Can't even spell his own name.
That dopey jackass Big D, always ranting about religion, is on my side too. Oy vey.
seems like they found tommy the hemp head again. Hope they can cure him this time.
Burning

La Puente, CA

#186020 Apr 1, 2013
Confederate Flag Removed From North Carolina State Capitol, March 2013..
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186021 Apr 1, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>You forgot your religion that requires a greater faith then all of them. The puddle of crud theory. Talk about fairy tales....LOL.
I donít have a religion, I am not bound by any kind of faith at all, someone shows me actual evidence, that has been through extensive peer review and I will happily take it into consideration.

You can go back to your magic tree, talking snake, and rib woman
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186022 Apr 1, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know how to read? He said he WAS married and now he's happy with men, so I'm guessing that's because his ex wife was so horrible he said the hell with woman I'm going to men!lol
Guessing is exactly what you are doing, you are in no position to judge
Morrados

La Puente, CA

#186023 Apr 1, 2013
Smooth and easy, just as if it were all above board and legal.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186024 Apr 1, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I didnít call anyone a liar, a joke was made, the question asked, the lawyers could not respond and the topic was dropped.
You can lie all you want, but it was laughed out of court, that is certainly my view of it and the view of quite a number of other people.
If you want to talk about losing, lets see what happens in the next couple of months with Prop 8 and DOMA
care to make a wager... loser?
Nothing was laughed out of court. Go take a freshman cultural anthropology class and learn about the connection between procreation and marriage.

Arguing that procreation has NOTHING to do with marriage is dumb. Arguing that it is irrelevant to modern marriage is smart. But you're angry and dumb.

No, I don't want to make a wager. DOMA will go down as it should. DOMA was never constitutional and I've often said that but your anger and bias makes you see only what you want to see.

And when DOMA goes down we'll be a step closer to true marriage equality. And maybe soon those "child molesting welfare cheats" you hate will have equal rights too. And then I'll laugh at you squirming!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186025 Apr 1, 2013
Big D wrote:
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No thanks I will post what I like where I like, particularly as it seems to annoy you :)
Just don't start whining and try to proclaim that other forms of marriage which you hate are "off topic".
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186026 Apr 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Nothing was laughed out of court. Go take a freshman cultural anthropology class and learn about the connection between procreation and marriage.
Arguing that procreation has NOTHING to do with marriage is dumb. Arguing that it is irrelevant to modern marriage is smart. But you're angry and dumb.
No, I don't want to make a wager. DOMA will go down as it should. DOMA was never constitutional and I've often said that but your anger and bias makes you see only what you want to see.
And when DOMA goes down we'll be a step closer to true marriage equality. And maybe soon those "child molesting welfare cheats" you hate will have equal rights too. And then I'll laugh at you squirming!
sure it was

a joke was made, a question asked, no valid response was given and the lawyers dropped it. That is about the definition of being laughed out of court for an argument.

DOMA is dead meat, when the intention of DOMA was read in court... it was toast.

you are in error once again that I am opposed to Poly... I am not, I donít think it will happen as fast as you do, but that is just a matter of opinion, I am not opposed to poly marriage.

Prop 8 will likely be tossed back to California on standing, either that or they will just agree with the court that overturned prop 8. Either way prop 8 is doomed

and even if on the outside chance they donít overturn prop 8, a simple ballot vote will overturn it, either way Prop 8 is doomed.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186027 Apr 1, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>You forgot your religion that requires a greater faith then all of them. The puddle of crud theory. Talk about fairy tales....LOL.
That is true. Rabid atheists like Big D have are the very same as rabid religionists. That's the paradox of atheism. It takes at least as much faith as religion.

Maybe someday bigoted Big D will climb down off his high horse and realize he's no better or smarter than the rest of us mere mortals.
But meanwhile, he's amusing when you push his buttons!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186028 Apr 1, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know how to read? He said he WAS married and now he's happy with men, so I'm guessing that's because his ex wife was so horrible he said the hell with woman I'm going to men!lol
Big D tries to change the subject to religion all the time. He's a fanatic when it comes to religion.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186029 Apr 1, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Guessing is exactly what you are doing, you are in no position to judge
Never stopped you.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#186030 Apr 1, 2013
Big D wrote:
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sure it was
a joke was made, a question asked, no valid response was given and the lawyers dropped it. That is about the definition of being laughed out of court for an argument.
DOMA is dead meat, when the intention of DOMA was read in court... it was toast.
you are in error once again that I am opposed to Poly... I am not, I donít think it will happen as fast as you do, but that is just a matter of opinion, I am not opposed to poly marriage.
Prop 8 will likely be tossed back to California on standing, either that or they will just agree with the court that overturned prop 8. Either way prop 8 is doomed
and even if on the outside chance they donít overturn prop 8, a simple ballot vote will overturn it, either way Prop 8 is doomed.
As it should be. It was blatantly unconstitutional for the feds to usurp states rights.

So now you wholeheartedly support those "welfare cheating pedophiles who use polygamy to commit their crimes"?

Do you realize the welfare "cheating" you talk about is the Federal government's own fault? Since poly is illegal, all other wives after the first one are considered SINGLE MOTHERS by the government and thus entitled to welfare as such.

If polygamy becomes legal, it will be so rare that those against it will probably never be offended by the sight of a happy poly family.

And of course you always try to minimize the fact that DOMA discriminates against poly marriage as much as it does against SSM.

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