Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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For an evolutionary biologist, homosexuality is something of a puzzle. Itís a common trait, found in up to 10% of the population. It appears to be run in families, suggesting that it is hereditary, at least in part. And yet it defies the very reason why traits are passed on from generation to generation. How could something that hinders childbearing be passed down so frequently from parents to children?

Researchers at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis (NIMBioS) think they may have an answer. Itís not in written in our DNA sequence itself, they suggest, which explains why scientists have failed so far to find ďgay genes,Ē despite intensive investigations. Instead, itís written in how our genes are expressed: that is, in certain modifications to how and when DNA is activated. These changes can have environmental roots, so are not normally permanent enough to be passed from parent to child. But occasionally, they are.

ďItís not genetics. Itís not DNA. Itís not pieces of DNA. Itís epigenetics,Ē says Sergey Gavrilets, a NIMBioS researcher and an author on the paper that outlines the new theory of homosexuality, published in The Quarterly Review of Biology.†ďThe hypothesis we put forward is based on epigenetic marks,Ē he says.

To be specific, the new theory suggests that homosexuality is caused by epigenetic marks, or ďepi-marks,Ē related to sensitivity to hormones in the womb. These are compounds that sit on DNA and regulate how active, or inactive certain genes are, and also control when during development these genes are most prolific. Gavrilets and his colleagues believe that gene expression may regulate how a fetus responds to testosterone, the all-important male sex hormone. They further argue that epi-marks may help to buffer a female fetus from high levels of testosterone by suppressing receptors that respond to testosterone, for example,(thus ensuring normal fetal development even in the presence of a lot of testosterone) or to buffer a male fetus from low levels of testosterone by upregulating receptors that bind to the hormone (ensuring normal fetal development even in the absence of high levels of testosterone). Normally, these epi-marks are erased after they are activated, but if those marks are passed down to the next generation, the same epi-marks that protected a man in utero may cause oversensitivity to testosterone among his daughters, and the epi-marks that protected a woman in utero may lead to undersensitivity to testosterone among her sons.

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Robsan5 wrote:
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Yeah, wanta deep throat a big d!ck? You closet case.
Robert
Does it help to type your favorite thing to do? You sure are witty! lol.

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Kimare...

Firstly, I doubt that any scientist ever said, "...a stubborn epi-marker from a parent may stick around and get passed on to an opposite-sex child, instilling Mom's fashion sense in Raul or Dad's baritone in Suzi."

Secondly, neither you nor I know for certain that epigenetics create homosexuality. For the time being it is a theory.

Thirdly, even if epigenetics do somehow play a role in making a child gay, that DOES NOT mean that the epi-gene "malfunctioned" in some way. For all you know, it could be just as natural as any other process that goes into creating human beings.

Fourth, you bring up the negative historical and cultural responses to gays--how one day you guys may be vindicated once you believe a "cure" (I use quotations to indicate how ridiculous such a concept is) is found.
As I said earlier, you're the kind of person who wants everyone to be the same. You want purity and harmony. You ARE Hitler.
In your narrow little world, there isn't any room for diversity. If a gay person pops up, you want to stamp him into non-existence by way of a scientific or religious cure.
Slave owners and segregationists also wanted a cure. They wanted those pesky blacks to know their place--to embrace their positions in life.
They prayed for it. They beat blacks into submission. They strung them up by their necks to set examples.
You are no different than any of them.
I don't say these things to be unkind. Rather, I say them to get your attention!

Fifth; to say that normally people want grandchildren is one of the most egotistical and self-centered comments you have made. Who gives a damn about what you may want? Once your children have become adults, it's simply none of your business how they proceed in life.
A TRUE parent loves their child REGARDLESS of how they turn out. A TRUE parent wants what their child wants; not what the parent wants.

And finally, you DO NOT quote what the scientists say. You're the one who has coined the terms "epi-marker defect" and "epi-marker mistake". You are the one who is putting words into scientist's mouths by saying that this epi-genetic theory represents a "birth defect".
Just because something is "abnormal" does not make it a mistake. Being red headed is "abnormal". Being left-handed is "abnormal". Being 6'10" is "abnormal". But these are not "birth defects".
A defect is something that negatively impacts a person's life. Being gay does not do that. Gay people exist all around your and carry on day-to-day lives without any trouble at all (except when they run into the likes of you).
You and people like you are the ones who try to characterize certain behaviors with a negative connotation.

Do you REALLY think that you glorify God when you attempt to marginalize gays and stir up anti-gay sentiment?
You judge us, even though you are commanded not to do so. You make conclusions about our lives, even though that is not the true Christian way.

Leave us alone. We're not bothering you. You're fighting a battle inside your head. No one is trying to "gay marry" you. No one is trying to convert you to homosexuality. We are not bothering you. Just let us live our lives and we'll all be much happier.
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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Does it help to type your favorite thing to do? You sure are witty! lol.
It would help you if you would quit denying your true self and come on out of the closet.

Robert

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KiMare wrote:
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Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
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You mean like the theory of evolution?
Snicker smile.
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So you are going to try again by another slimy shift?
Okay,
First, I'm not trying to prove anything. I don't have to, science already is.
Epigenetics has all but verified that epi-marker abnormalities cause homosexuality.
Second, I'm not denying equal relationships anything either. You are trying to impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Not only do gay relationships fail and contradict that primary purpose, epi-marker defects validate that contradiction. A silly attempt to equate a natural diverse gender relationship with a duplicate defective relationship.
That's just a fact in the quest for truth.
Smile.
There you go again... Trying to sound all scientific. And you always seem to fail.

When you look up the term "epi marker abnormalities" this is what you get on google "No results found for "epi marker abnormalities".

Please stick to what you know best. You have already proven multiple times that you're no scientist; that you don't know what you're talking about.

You so badly and unsuccessfully attempt to explain these THEORIES that you only end up repeatedly making a fool of yourself.

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Let Gay Divorce begin.
Finally you got to pay your share!!!
I've been discriminated against as a hetero. Get divorced and pay. Now older gay dudes with cash will give all away. Lose there house. Lose everything
You had it so good. Welcome to the club.
Get ready to lose everything in your gay divorce.
Welcome to equality.
Equal opportunity to screw up marriages, but also equal opportunity to be fulfilled in them.

You weren't happy, and that's sad, but many gay and straight folks have a better marriage than that.

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KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Same question.
If you don't know the cause how can you assert the result?
The epi-marker defect is all but proved. What does that say about the APA?
Snicker.
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You mean like the theory of evolution?
Snicker smile.
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So you are going to try again by another slimy shift?
Okay,
First, I'm not trying to prove anything. I don't have to, science already is.
Epigenetics has all but verified that epi-marker abnormalities cause homosexuality.
Second, I'm not denying equal relationships anything either. You are trying to impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Not only do gay relationships fail and contradict that primary purpose, epi-marker defects validate that contradiction. A silly attempt to equate a natural diverse gender relationship with a duplicate defective relationship.
That's just a fact in the quest for truth.
Smile.
Understanding why someone is Gay (which will not be understood for a very long time, if ever) and equal treatment of Gay Americans are two separate things. Your ignorance fuels your insistence that they are correlated. There is only scientific theory, I repeat theory, about what makes someone Gay and makes someone non-gay. Itís people like you that irresponsibly and repeatedly present scientific hypothesis as truth to justify your hate. Fact is youíre not smart enough or qualified to convert scientific theory in to truth.
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Marram wrote:
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Understanding why someone is Gay (which will not be understood for a very long time, if ever) and equal treatment of Gay Americans are two separate things. Your ignorance fuels your insistence that they are correlated. There is only scientific theory, I repeat theory, about what makes someone Gay and makes someone non-gay. Itís people like you that irresponsibly and repeatedly present scientific hypothesis as truth to justify your hate. Fact is youíre not smart enough or qualified to convert scientific theory in to truth.
..........barrack obama george bush jr and sr and tyhe clintons.....all donated money to san francisco over 400 million plus technlogy....for people to get sex changes for free.........us goverment estimated over 400 million people around the world and even san francisco were forced into sex changes.....some of the people have gotten false memory syndrome not remembering that they were the opposite sex ....so if two guys were forced into sex changes and do not know because of people lieing to them every day useing false photographs and memorys these two guys who now look like woman will still be attracted to woman......out of the 400 million forced into sex changes since 2006 99 percent do not have memorys of the sex change...as in drug you up knock you out you wont remember a thing
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Marram wrote:
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Understanding why someone is Gay (which will not be understood for a very long time, if ever) and equal treatment of Gay Americans are two separate things. Your ignorance fuels your insistence that they are correlated. There is only scientific theory, I repeat theory, about what makes someone Gay and makes someone non-gay. Itís people like you that irresponsibly and repeatedly present scientific hypothesis as truth to justify your hate. Fact is youíre not smart enough or qualified to convert scientific theory in to truth.
..........barrack obama george bush jr and sr and tyhe clintons.....all donated money to san francisco over 400 million plus technlogy....for people to get sex changes for free.........us goverment estimated over 400 million people around the world and even san francisco were forced into sex changes.....some of the people have gotten false memory syndrome not remembering that they were the opposite sex ....so if two guys were forced into sex changes and do not know because of people lieing to them every day useing false photographs and memorys these two guys who now look like woman will still be attracted to woman......out of the 400 million forced into sex changes since 2006 99 percent do not have memorys of the sex change...as in drug you up knock you out you wont remember a thing..........none of his is true unless some one famous from tv says no one cares or will listen
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Fire up Sparkie and test it on a Tea Party member firsdt.
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Marram wrote:
<quoted text>...yeah satanic cults who are really out thier with their philosohpies they dont last to long they kill themselves or get killed ......their known for this
Understanding why someone is Gay (which will not be understood for a very long time, if ever) and equal treatment of Gay Americans are two separate things. Your ignorance fuels your insistence that they are correlated. There is only scientific theory, I repeat theory, about what makes someone Gay and makes someone non-gay. Itís people like you that irresponsibly and repeatedly present scientific hypothesis as truth to justify your hate. Fact is youíre not smart enough or qualified to convert scientific theory in to truth.
..........barrack obama george bush jr and sr and tyhe clintons.....all donated money to san francisco over 400 million plus technlogy....for people to get sex changes for free.........us goverment estimated over 400 million people around the world and even san francisco were forced into sex changes.....some of the people have gotten false memory syndrome not remembering that they were the opposite sex ....so if two guys were forced into sex changes and do not know because of people lieing to them every day useing false photographs and memorys these two guys who now look like woman will still be attracted to woman......out of the 400 million forced into sex changes since 2006 99 percent do not have memorys of the sex change...as in drug you up knock you out you wont remember a thing
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..........many people were forced int osex changes ...still to this day as we speak the ignorant go shopping while the nazis take over..........6666666666666666 666666
Marram wrote:
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Understanding why someone is Gay (which will not be understood for a very long time, if ever) and equal treatment of Gay Americans are two separate things. Your ignorance fuels your insistence that they are correlated. There is only scientific theory, I repeat theory, about what makes someone Gay and makes someone non-gay. Itís people like you that irresponsibly and repeatedly present scientific hypothesis as truth to justify your hate. Fact is youíre not smart enough or qualified to convert scientific theory in to truth.
..........barrack obama george bush jr and sr and tyhe clintons.....all donated money to san francisco over 400 million plus technlogy....for people to get sex changes for free.........us goverment estimated over 400 million people around the world and even san francisco were forced into sex changes.....some of the people have gotten false memory syndrome not remembering that they were the opposite sex ....so if two guys were forced into sex changes and do not know because of people lieing to them every day useing false photographs and memorys these two guys who now look like woman will still be attracted to woman......out of the 400 million forced into sex changes since 2006 99 percent do not have memorys of the sex change...as in drug you up knock you out you wont remember a thing
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Fire up Sparkie andtest it on a Tea Party member first.
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666..... not knowing who you are makes it easyier for people to tell you what to do .....the planet voted that forceing people into sex changes was the worst thing that can happen and is a major priority.....that when the world stopped and people stopped being hypnotised66666 wh ywould the whole planet vote that this is a priority and now the human race has free will ..........humans want to go shopping....how much does it cost to mak 40 cents what did the humans pay for 40 do9llars.get your prioritys straight..........
Marram wrote:
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Understanding why someone is Gay (which will not be understood for a very long time, if ever) and equal treatment of Gay Americans are two separate things. Your ignorance fuels your insistence that they are correlated. There is only scientific theory, I repeat theory, about what makes someone Gay and makes someone non-gay. Itís people like you that irresponsibly and repeatedly present scientific hypothesis as truth to justify your hate. Fact is youíre not smart enough or qualified to convert scientific theory in to truth.
..........barrack obama george bush jr and sr and tyhe clintons.....all donated money to san francisco over 400 million plus technlogy....for people to get sex changes for free.........us goverment estimated over 400 million people around the world and even san francisco were forced into sex changes.....some of the people have gotten false memory syndrome not remembering that they were the opposite sex ....so if two guys were forced into sex changes and do not know because of people lieing to them every day useing false photographs and memorys these two guys who now look like woman will still be attracted to woman......out of the 400 million forced into sex changes since 2006 99 percent do not have memorys of the sex change...as in drug you up knock you out you wont remember a thing
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Quest wrote:
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You trying to prove that being gay is genetic, and that this is a good reason to deny gay folks equality under the law?
No it is the best reason to allow them to marry so they do not marry atraights and pass on the genetic trait.

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Dorn wrote:
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No it is the best reason to allow them to marry so they do not marry atraights and pass on the genetic trait.
Now, I'm no genetic expert--not at all--but even I know that it's VERY difficult to wipe out a certain genetic trait.

Genes can be passed along for several generations before they reappear again.

In my family, there is only one left-handed person. There are a couple of red headed people. The generation prior to them had no left-handed or red headed people in it. Somehow these genetic traits lay dormant for one generation before popping back up.

If homosexuality is a genetic trait, a straight couple can pass it along to their offspring, who may not have gay children or grand children. But then a great grandchild may turn out gay.

Here's the thing... Gay people do not pose a threat to society. We have not impacted the world's population. Heterosexual marriages, in those countries or states that allow same-gender marriage, have not been impacted. Heterosexuals and homosexuals work, play, worship, etc. alongside one another without any problems.

I don't understand why it is that you guys are so afraid of us--why you want us to disappear.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
As long as the gay couple is of the opposite sex, there is a valid state interest in that relationship, as there would be in other adult opposite sex relationships in regard to marriage. Remove one sex, replace it with a duplicate of the remaining sex, and the state interest is also removed.
No it isn't. Do you really think the ONLY reason the State has an interest in marriage is procreation??? Really? No other reasons?
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I heard steve herfert has been hiding out from the several residents of West Covina and several newspaper reporters from the Los Angeles Times newspaper.

Since the LOS ANGELES TIMES REPORTERS are the only HONEST newspaper left in the local area that can be trusted no the be a pile of lying dogs in bed with racists members of local city councils like Glendora, California.

Keep running you lying racists dog, Steve Herfert from West Covina, California city council. Do yourself a favor Steve Herfert step down from the city council since your a worthless pieces of dung.

Ken Herman from tghe Glendora, California city council finally had to sell his home in Glendora and leave the state of California.

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Robsan5 wrote:
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It would help you if you would quit denying your true self and come on out of the closet.
Robert
The difference from you and I is I never was in the closet. I'm a male and have a female wife, but with no interest in constantly talking or doing the nasty things you keep thinking about, being in love is more then sex sex and sex. Same applies to gay couples, you really should seek some help for your sex addiction. It's not healthy.
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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>The difference from you and I is I never was in the closet. I'm a male and have a female wife, but with no interest in constantly talking or doing the nasty things you keep thinking about, being in love is more then sex sex and sex. Same applies to gay couples, you really should seek some help for your sex addiction. It's not healthy.
Hopefully you'll be able to deal with your homosexuality when you feel comfortable coming out. In the mean time, thanks for help in endorsing it.

Robert

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