Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,150

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#183551 Mar 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/ culture/family/item/12416-fede ral-judge-upholds-traditional- marriage-in-hawaii
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I said nothing about a goat, keep your sexual fantasy to yourself please. Thank you.
Whaddya know, procreation and marriage linked in a court ruling.
Here's an excerpt from a Federal judge's ruling.
But in his August 8 ruling Judge Alan C. Kay, a Reagan appointee, found that Hawaii’s legislature had a legitimate interest in legislating on behalf of traditional marriage.“Throughout history and societies, marriage has been connected with procreation and childrearing,” wrote Kay in his decision, which ran to 117 pages.“… It follows that it is not beyond rational speculation to conclude that fundamentally altering the definition of marriage to include same-sex unions might result in undermining the societal understanding of the link between marriage, procreation, and family structure.” He added that “to suddenly constitutionalize the issue of same-sex marriage ‘would short-circuit’ the legislative actions that have been taking place in Hawaii.... Accordingly, because Hawaii’s marriage laws are rationally related to legitimate government interests, they do not violate the federal Constitution.”&#8232;
Dude. Do you think gay marriage is going to go away? You can either adapt to reality, or you can go extinct.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#183552 Mar 16, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you're saying is he couldn't out do your average of blowing and tossing salad for 60 homeless men in dire need of a bath per day for free.
STFU you HOMO... you suck

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#183553 Mar 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/ culture/family/item/12416-fede ral-judge-upholds-traditional- marriage-in-hawaii
<quoted text>
I said nothing about a goat, keep your sexual fantasy to yourself please. Thank you.
Whaddya know, procreation and marriage linked in a court ruling.
Here's an excerpt from a Federal judge's ruling.
But in his August 8 ruling Judge Alan C. Kay, a Reagan appointee, found that Hawaii’s legislature had a legitimate interest in legislating on behalf of traditional marriage.“Throughout history and societies, marriage has been connected with procreation and childrearing,” wrote Kay in his decision, which ran to 117 pages.“… It follows that it is not beyond rational speculation to conclude that fundamentally altering the definition of marriage to include same-sex unions might result in undermining the societal understanding of the link between marriage, procreation, and family structure.” He added that “to suddenly constitutionalize the issue of same-sex marriage ‘would short-circuit’ the legislative actions that have been taking place in Hawaii.... Accordingly, because Hawaii’s marriage laws are rationally related to legitimate government interests, they do not violate the federal Constitution.”&#8232;
Did you read the findings carefully? "It follows that it is not beyond rational SPECULATION to conclude that fundamentally altering the definition of marriage to include same-sex unions MIGHT result in undermining the societal understanding of the link between marriage, procreation, and family structure."

Vaughn Walker, in his decision to overturn Proposition 8 (which outlawed same-gender marriage) found (among other things):

--"A parent's gender is not a factor in a child's adjustment. An individual's sexual orientation does not determine whether that individual can be a good parent. Children raised by gay or lesbian parents are as LIKELY as children raised by heterosexual parents to be healthy, successful and well-adjusted.

--Gay and lesbian adoption is widespread and is supported and encouraged in California law, providing evidence concerning same sex couples and parenting, with around 18% of same sex couples in California raising children. As a corollary, this provides evidence of fact that Proposition 8 is not rationally connected to improving parenting, since it makes no attempt to amend or revoke state approval of any aspect of parenting by non-married same sex couples.

--Marriage of other groups, controversial on comparable grounds at the time, such as race or ethnicity, has not reduced the "vibrancy" or importance of marriage as a social institution, although many people raised concerns of its degradation at the time.

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Proposition 8 supporters appealed. But Vaughn's decision was upheld by a three judge panel in Feb. 2012.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183554 Mar 16, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude. Do you think gay marriage is going to go away? You can either adapt to reality, or you can go extinct.
XBox. Do you think (_________ is going to go away? You can either adapt to reality, or you can go extinct. What else could be put in that blank? Falling marriage rates? Rising cohabitation rates? Plural marriage?

So you see, there's more to it than that.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183555 Mar 16, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you read the findings carefully? "It follows that it is not beyond rational SPECULATION to conclude that fundamentally altering the definition of marriage to include same-sex unions MIGHT result in undermining the societal understanding of the link between marriage, procreation, and family structure."
Vaughn Walker, in his decision to overturn Proposition 8 (which outlawed same-gender marriage) found (among other things):
--"A parent's gender is not a factor in a child's adjustment. An individual's sexual orientation does not determine whether that individual can be a good parent. Children raised by gay or lesbian parents are as LIKELY as children raised by heterosexual parents to be healthy, successful and well-adjusted.
--Gay and lesbian adoption is widespread and is supported and encouraged in California law, providing evidence concerning same sex couples and parenting, with around 18% of same sex couples in California raising children. As a corollary, this provides evidence of fact that Proposition 8 is not rationally connected to improving parenting, since it makes no attempt to amend or revoke state approval of any aspect of parenting by non-married same sex couples.
--Marriage of other groups, controversial on comparable grounds at the time, such as race or ethnicity, has not reduced the "vibrancy" or importance of marriage as a social institution, although many people raised concerns of its degradation at the time.
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Proposition 8 supporters appealed. But Vaughn's decision was upheld by a three judge panel in Feb. 2012.
The point is not all courts agree that banning SSM is unconstitutional. We both know that.

Is Judge Walker gay?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#183556 Mar 16, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Here it is again;
The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples?
An apple tree bearing fruit.
An apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
An walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
An walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.
Even funnier?
The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too!
Snicker.
My houseplants (some of which came from my grandmother and are quite old) do just fine without pollination. They just grow and grow as long as I feed them and water them. Sure, in their native environments, they would likely pollinate by way of nature's own in vitro fertilization (the birds, the bees, the wind, etc...). They would create new plants and do all kinds of things. But it's not necessary for all of these plants to reproduce.

That they do not reproduce doesn't make them any less of a particular plant.

And having multiple "male plants" of a certain species in a room without "female plants" will not kill the plant.

And in case you haven't noticed, plants don't marry. There is no legal reason for them to do so.

Marriage is a man-made institution. It's based on law, not on nature. Prior to widespread marriage, heterosexual couples were still creating offspring without a piece of paper tying them together.

Your apple tree, walnut tree analogy is stupid. It's never been used in a case of law regarding same-gender marriage because even those arguing your side of the issue knows that such a premise would be laughed out of the court.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183557 Mar 16, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
My houseplants (some of which came from my grandmother and are quite old) do just fine without pollination. They just grow and grow as long as I feed them and water them. Sure, in their native environments, they would likely pollinate by way of nature's own in vitro fertilization (the birds, the bees, the wind, etc...). They would create new plants and do all kinds of things. But it's not onecessary for all of these plants to reproduce.
That they do not reproduce doesn't make them any less of a particular plant.
And having multiple "male plants" of a certain species in a room without "female plants" will not kill the plant.
And in case you haven't noticed, plants don't marry. There is no legal reason for them to do so.
Marriage is a man-made institution. It's based on law, not on nature. Prior to widespread marriage, heterosexual couples were still creating offspring without a piece of paper tying them together.
Your apple tree, walnut tree analogy is stupid. It's never been used in a case of law regarding same-gender marriage because even those arguing your side of the issue knows that such a premise would be laughed out of the court.
Is it interesting that "man made" institution has been, and still is, virtually, an opposite sex union. Geeeeee.....I wonder why? Maybe....just maybe....sex between men and women makes more men and women. Even u, VV, were made that way.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#183558 Mar 16, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is not all courts agree that banning SSM is unconstitutional. We both know that.
Is Judge Walker gay?
Yes, Judge Walker is gay. Do you think that made him more likely to decide in favor of same-gender marriage? Judge Alan C. Kay is straight. If you're going to argue that Judge Walker's orientation impacted his decision to legalize same-gender marriage, I will argue Judge Kay's orientation impacted his decision to "protect" marriage. Oh, and Judge Kay is divorced and remarried. Would that make him less objective about hearing divorce cases or child custody cases or any cases involving marriage?

And just so you know, a three (heterosexual, male) judge panel for the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirmed that Walker was not obligated to recuse himself from the Proposition 8 case because he is gay.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#183559 Mar 16, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Skin color had no conflict with the basic essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Duplicate gendered couples are not just an obvious distinction from diverse gendered couples, they are a direct defective conflict with the very basic purpose of evolution.
You have no argument for 'equal' rights. If you dumb down marriage to 'two people in a committed relationship', you immediately discriminate against other friendships and the number involved.
Smile.
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
So skin color had no conflict with the basic essence of marriage--except, of course, throughout most of American history. I mean over 400 years of anti-miscegenation laws certainly say something about how marriage was defined in the U.S.
That you find no problem with it now is simply a matter of you being born during a period when minority races were fighting for equality.
Future generations will see same-gender marriage much the same way that you see interracial marriages now.
Your argument about "dumbing down" marriage by allowing same-gender marriage is not all that different than those who believed mixed-race marriage would "dumb down" purity found in same-race marriages of the past.
I guess what I'm saying is that the world has heard your arguments in the past and it eventually decided it was a crock of shit. Mixed-race marriages were made legal and nothing happened. People didn't suddenly want to marry their dogs. Bigamists didn't suddenly get laws passed to make their relationships legal. No incestuous marriages were performed.
Your scare tactics are stupid and have been overruled in the past.
Oh knock off the gay twirl hissy fit masquerading as logic!

Inter-racial marriages conflict in no way with the basic essence of marriage. They have been present throughout history in every culture.

Duplicate gendered couples fail at every level with marriage. They have never been accepted from start of finish in a single culture in all of human history.

Nor are the arguments the same, as much as you'd like to gay twirl it.

Moreover, it is common sense and simple logic, not scare tactics, that it would be prejudicial to allow only certain types of committed relationships and limit those to just two people. Unless of course, you could come up with a legit reason???

As to the message of the past, the only one I am aware of is that when an attempt to call gay couples married, it never survived for any length of time. Anywhere.

Smile.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183560 Mar 16, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Judge Walker is gay. Do you think that made him more likely to decide in favor of same-gender marriage? Judge Alan C. Kay is straight. If you're going to argue that Judge Walker's orientation impacted his decision to legalize same-gender marriage, I will argue Judge Kay's orientation impacted his decision to "protect" marriage. Oh, and Judge Kay is divorced and remarried. Would that make him less objective about hearing divorce cases or child custody cases or any cases involving marriage?
Considering the voters of California voted to define marriage as a union of husband and wife, and the previous efforts to preserve that definition of marriage, I would say his orientation influenced his decision.
And just so you know, a three (heterosexual, male) judge panel for the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirmed that Walker was not obligated to recuse himself from the Proposition 8 case because he is gay.
Did the panel identify themselves as "heterosexual"?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#183561 Mar 16, 2013
Gender segregation marriage is bad because men and women differ; the facts of life are reflected in our marriage laws.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#183562 Mar 16, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're sure right there, no-one is forcing me to marry someone of the same sex. And, yes sir, gays pay taxes, although it is a minority proportion. Right again, bub. And protection is one thing, but wrongful declarations are something else. The rights that are protected are the ones guaranteeing protection from the government overstepping its bounds, not any that are imagined. Like making everyone accept SSM. Or having the government override the will of the people.
Bigfoot, fk the "will of the people" if it goes against equal protection. Why do you think we have a Constitution, three branches of government and checks and balances and don't just vote on everything?
You won't accept gay marriage, no matter what. That's a non issue.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#183563 Mar 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Gender segregation marriage is bad because men and women differ; the facts of life are reflected in our marriage laws.
Intelligent people and fundies differ. But they should still have equal rights.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#183564 Mar 16, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Skin color had no conflict with the basic essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Our rights should depend on our chromosomes?
Should you have the same rights a shrimp does?
KiMare wrote:
Duplicate gendered couples are not just an obvious distinction from diverse gendered couples, they are a direct defective conflict with the very basic purpose of evolution.
You have no argument for 'equal' rights.

A man can marry a woman, a woman should have that same right.
A woman can marry a man, a man should have that same right.
KiMare wrote:
If you dumb down marriage to 'two people in a committed relationship', you immediately discriminate against other friendships and the number involved.
Smile.
<quoted text>
Oh knock off the gay twirl hissy fit masquerading as logic!
Inter-racial marriages conflict in no way with the basic essence of marriage. They have been present throughout history in every culture.
Even if true, so what?
KiMare wrote:
Duplicate gendered couples fail at every level with marriage.
You are dual gendered at the cellular level. Do you fail at every level? Should you have been aborted?
KiMare wrote:
They have never been accepted from start of finish in a single culture in all of human history.
Nor are the arguments the same, as much as you'd like to gay twirl it.
Moreover, it is common sense and simple logic, not scare tactics, that it would be prejudicial to allow only certain types of committed relationships and limit those to just two people. Unless of course, you could come up with a legit reason???
As to the message of the past, the only one I am aware of is that when an attempt to call gay couples married, it never survived for any length of time. Anywhere.
Smile.
Shrimp have 92 chromosomes, not humans!
:)
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#183565 Mar 16, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Intelligent people and fundies differ. But they should still have equal rights.
Rose_NoHo.

Exactly. White "Liberals" who advocate legalizing the "marriage" of two African and non-Africans of the same sex should be entitled to no more constitutional rights than are we decent dog lovers.

Ronald
jamest

Glendale, CA

#183566 Mar 16, 2013
look these gays have paid a lot of money trying to have their way if you are gay then be gay you don't have the sme right as a man and wmen i don't care how many people you bribe the only right you shoul have is puting your head in the sand come on folk to man having sex 2 chick having sex licking each other balls or pussy his sweaty balls saying i love you man nasty shit man plane and simple puting his penis were you shit your waste come on now folk that not love that just nasty

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#183567 Mar 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Good points! A gay judge dismissed the lawful vote of a majority of Californians, now they cry about their 'rights'. There is no right to gender equality.
Men and women are different, vive le difference. Reason number two for keeping marriage one man and one woman; sexual differentiation. Isn't it cool how law reflects nature?
One more person that doesn't understand how America works. We're not a democratic nation. Go back and take a look at the reasons for his ruling and the subsequent judicial responses that followed his decision.

Oh, BTW, same sex marriage is gaining ground. 1 out of 4 republicans now approve of it. Democrats favor it by majority and so do libertarians.
BeeWax

Covina, CA

#183569 Mar 16, 2013
I knew bees wax could build up in your ears, but never over your eye holes?
Robsan5

United States

#183571 Mar 16, 2013
How mamy of you queers want a d!ck up your a.ss?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#183572 Mar 16, 2013
jamest wrote:
look these gays have paid a lot of money trying to have their way if you are gay then be gay you don't have the sme right as a man and wmen i don't care how many people you bribe the only right you shoul have is puting your head in the sand come on folk to man having sex 2 chick having sex licking each other balls or pussy his sweaty balls saying i love you man nasty shit man plane and simple puting his penis were you shit your waste come on now folk that not love that just nasty
wow you are vile and vulgar and very nasty. Get some help, sounds like u might be a sex addict, what a waste of time that is.

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