Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#175516 Jan 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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It is the same principle that perpetuates this unending tension about homosexuality. Why is it not there for other differences?
The denial that ss orientation is a defect. Not a moral one, just a sexual 'manufacturing' fault of some type.
The denial that anal sex is a clear violation of design with horrible consequences. Inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
This spiritual truth still stands; Confession is good for the soul.
What will happen if you start down that road?
I donít have any tension about homosexuals, they Americans the same as anyone else. The defect is your obsession with denying other Americans that are perhaps different than yourself equality and freedom that the rest of us enjoy.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175517 Jan 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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1. I never diminished marriage to children alone. I simply and factually noted that marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
I have posted numerous times "If You" which lists numerous distinctions besides children between marriage and gay couples.
One of the most profound is the union of diverse genders, creating a whole new being which happens to also reconnect to the very origin of humanity when life was genderless. Gays can only duplicate their gender.
Childless hetero couples have never been discriminated against in any culture in all of human history. On the other hand, gay couples have never been accepted as married.
2. Nor have I restricted marriage to any religion. Your claim of a Christian church accepting gay couples as married is simply and clearly heresy. The same rejection is true in every major religion.
The only prevailing interest the government has in marriage is the protection of the weaker mate and the children birthed within the relationship. The government has no reason or right to regulate friendships, especially in a discriminatory manner.
Please get your facts straight next time.
Smile.
You are the one that needs to get your facts straight, there are thousands of churches asking to preform same sex marriages, why are their religious freedoms being denied?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#175518 Jan 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I donít have any tension about homosexuals, they Americans the same as anyone else. The defect is your obsession with denying other Americans that are perhaps different than yourself equality and freedom that the rest of us enjoy.
Hence your participation on this forum...

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#175519 Jan 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are the one that needs to get your facts straight, there are thousands of churches asking to preform same sex marriages, why are their religious freedoms being denied?
You lied about what I said. Get your facts straight.

1. Because marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gay couples are a absolute and defective contradiction, literally 'unmarriage'.

2. A 'church' can do whatever it wants. However those attempting to perform 'marriage' with gay couples are simply and clearly apostate organizations.

3. There are millions of churches who agree with me.

4. And the vast witness of billions of churches over Christian history.

Smile.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175520 Jan 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You lied about what I said. Get your facts straight.
1. Because marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gay couples are a absolute and defective contradiction, literally 'unmarriage'.
2. A 'church' can do whatever it wants. However those attempting to perform 'marriage' with gay couples are simply and clearly apostate organizations.
3. There are millions of churches who agree with me.
4. And the vast witness of billions of churches over Christian history.
Smile.
No I am trying to understand all this tension you have about the subject, tension that you and people like you create

I could personally care less what any churches anywhere think, their rules are for believers in which ever that particular religion has and no one else, this is the land of the free.

However I find it humorous that it is religious people working to deny other religious people equality and freedom.

It is like the father of the revolution said, John Adams- "this would be the best of all possible worlds were there no religion in it"

Marriage my be a "holy thing" to one religion, and less of so to another, I donít care, we are talking about the law, in the eyes of the law it is a legal contract that should be applied equally regardless of race, creed, sex, religion, orientation or national origin.

The problem is not homosexuals, the problem are Americans who are hate bent trying to deny rights to others different than themselves, that is not the American way.

You are on the losing side of freedom, it will prevail, no matter how much tension you try to create over it
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175521 Jan 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Hence your participation on this forum...
:-)
I try and understand a perspective different than my own, yours is one I cannot fathom, there is no one in this world I hate so much as to deny them equal rights under the law.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#175522 Jan 17, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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No, it won't, Liza, because the same arguments will serve the polygamy case, just as well as they served the SSM case. No-one ever thought that inter-racial marriage would be legalized, nor did they think that SSM marriage would ever be seriously considered, so be narrow, if you wish, but unless you have crystal ball, I would not suggest you try to read the future...
"The same arguments will serve the polygamy case?" Really? What polygamy case is that, the one YOU saw in your crystal ball?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175523 Jan 17, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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OMG, D,
What are you doing ? Are you, seriously, defending the village idiot ?
No it is possible I responded to the wrong person, multitasking here.

Largelanguage is a moron, ignorant by the very definition of prejudice
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175524 Jan 17, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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"The same arguments will serve the polygamy case?" Really? What polygamy case is that, the one YOU saw in your crystal ball?
It would be unthinkable to our founders that women could vote ( chuckle )

One thing at a time, SSM is on a roll, faster than any other civil rights issue in our past.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#175525 Jan 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I try and understand a perspective different than my own, yours is one I cannot fathom, there is no one in this world I hate so much as to deny them equal rights under the law.
I think it's very easy to understand. KiMerde is afraid of change. Put simply, he's a scared old man. He longs for the past because he could 'get it up' then. Now all he can do is think about it, and he can't quite come to grips with his bisexuality.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175526 Jan 17, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's very easy to understand. KiMerde is afraid of change. Put simply, he's a scared old man. He longs for the past because he could 'get it up' then. Now all he can do is think about it, and he can't quite come to grips with his bisexuality.
The good old days werenít all that good, I wish people understood that. They long for the days when people of another color were denied civil rights, when women where second class criticisms, I donít long for the "good old days" because there werenít any.

The future to me looks brighter than the past.

Freedom is taking hold, the world is struggling with it, but it is expanding around the world.

It is ok for people to be themselves, not a carbon copy of what something thinks they should be.

I honestly donít understand all the hate, but I can clearly see where much of it comes from.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175527 Jan 17, 2013
LOL

Citizens

My wife is not second class when it comes to criticisms
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#175530 Jan 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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The good old days werenít all that good, I wish people understood that. They long for the days when people of another color were denied civil rights, when women where second class criticisms, I donít long for the "good old days" because there werenít any.
The future to me looks brighter than the past.
Freedom is taking hold, the world is struggling with it, but it is expanding around the world.
It is ok for people to be themselves, not a carbon copy of what something thinks they should be.
I honestly donít understand all the hate, but I can clearly see where much of it comes from.
I didn't use the phrase "good ol' days."
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175532 Jan 17, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't use the phrase "good ol' days."
I know, I used that term. I agree with you, they are scared to death of any kind of change.
MetTesters

Monrovia, CA

#175535 Jan 17, 2013
Frankie Rizzo might be refering to GeorgeO from the land of M. Touhey:

Tell him that real funny one you told me -He can't tell his ass from a hole in the ground! ha ha so funny.

Bothe GeorgeO and TouheyO have serious mental problems.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#175536 Jan 17, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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LOL. He's handsome, talented, great in bed and he loves me. No real reason to get married.
I'm not putting down the choice to have kids. Just figured it wasn't for me.
So you aren't looking for a bond? Just silly lovey dovey feelings. Wasn't for you? So stress isn't for you? You must be too special.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#175537 Jan 17, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Or I could absolutely care less what an ignorant racist might think, which is the actual truth
Your comment to Rose shows you aren't interested in your kids. Would you trade her for your wife? So you flirt and hide this behind yor wifes back, like you hide when flirting with girls behind your parents back? Rebellious little turd!
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#175538 Jan 17, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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Well, he is in a special club. The "Tinfoil Club"... more power to the little fella....."sighs" & (shakes head)
Did your mother kick you out of the home at 18 and threw you out, forcing you to pay to bills out of the account she signed to you? Did you fail to pay them? So you were left on benefits? Did you go to jail? What happened? Taken drugs to compensate? Why are you so angry on a public forum? Is this your only social life? Is it that you got angry because you were betrayed and attacked by the only people you know? Poor boy!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#175540 Jan 17, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Your comment to Rose shows you aren't interested in your kids. Would you trade her for your wife? So you flirt and hide this behind yor wifes back, like you hide when flirting with girls behind your parents back? Rebellious little turd!
That was humor that is beyond your grasp, Rose got it, that you didnít means nothing whatsoever to me. You really are not all that important.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#175541 Jan 17, 2013
Black momma wrote:
So call religious people that judge are the ones God is unhappy with. I am not perfect I have the gift of sight seeing things before it happens but I don't profit from this gift it scares me sometimes I wonder why me. My bestfriend told me I was angel I told her right cigarette smelling wings wine all over my robe blessing the wrong people falling asleep in the catholic church ah hell not again a sorry angel get mad give someone hemroids (smile) let's take a day off please everyone go to my site school shootings also
So God made you a special child? How self absorbed!

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