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Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174848 Jan 13, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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Of what value is the opinion of the confused, Randy? You cannot back up one single piece of your argument with FACTS. All you offer are emotion-based arguments and hyperbole. There is no substance to your arguments.
Should we as a society value arguments against gravity?
Fact, miss thing.
I asked Chongo about some books, and even after getting past the twisting, I asked Chongo a "point blank" question about said books, and he gave me an evasion, so as to avoid having to admit the truth, namely that Pro-Gay Indoc books were and are being used in schhols. A question requiring a simple "yes" or a "no" answer, and he evaded. Fact.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#174849 Jan 13, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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1) I merely told you how it was, no need for me to care what works for you, and what does not.
2) No, why should I ?
3) Chongo and I have a hate/hate thing going on. Why should you care ?
4) I have no need for retrospect, I am aware of my actions, and applaud same.
5) There doesn't seem to be enough room on that high road, you have the whole road monopolized, no ?
Listen, boi, if you have any points to make, you'd best be making them, instead of asking inane questions about the way that we interact in here. You seem to ask for a lot of explanations from others. Don't you understand the way that we adults play ? I think you'd best go play some Pacman. You ain't coming on too well in here. You have tried to bring religion into this room, and that is fallacy. "Whispers": "no one cares". We're too busy having our fun, and right now, you've become the latest "funboi"...Tell me, how did you develop your communications system with God, anyway ? Did He send you an E-mail, or was it a phone call ? Meet Him in a pub, did you ? Did He tell you to look down on people ? Whether or not they wish to gain marriage rights, they are people that matter, even Chongo, who would not deign for a second to treat me the same way that I treat him, even though we go after each other quite a bit. Chongo can defend himself just fine. But I do not think that Chongo would defend me, for a second, still, I tell you that even Chongo is not a "trivial, worthless" person, contrary to my posts to him state. You are, in my opinion, more of the "trivial, worthless" type, than anyone else in here, due to your view that you are here to "hold us to account". Go peddle your sorry ass elsewhere.
1) Lost!
2) Lost!
3) You should hurt people just because you don't like them? Thats how it all goes round here is it?
4)
5) Lost!

"Boi"? Don't lecture me about grammar till you've got it right, SONNY! I already told you that sort of baby talk wouldn't work with me!
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#174850 Jan 13, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, did you pay any attention to the part where I said I was a witch, and not a Christian ? I would have to have claimed to be a Christian, before you might have any claim that I was going against my own creed. Learn to read, you stupid F**K !
I know you aren't a christian. But you said you are an agnostic, and respect that God could exist. So you are being rebellious to him by choosing to be a witch? If you choose to switch to theism, I'm sure God wouldn't let you in his door anyway!
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174851 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
You find me getting on your case and got me angry, and thought in your little mind that wirls around in your lil skull that it was honestly best to "expose"(Although you failed)me, and hit back! Oh silly silly! Hypocrisy, hypocrisy!
And the monkey screeches and throws feces. If you have gotten angry, then I have laughed at you for it. Foolish of you to try to sound educated and knowledgeable. You have exposed yourself, and you have done this long ago, with your first post..
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174852 Jan 13, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Liza Lott hates that! He is a huge hypocrite.
He'll deny it but he once posted a wicked rant against poly. Wish I saved the post number. Sounded like some quacked out fundie ranting against same sex marriage! He actually screamed "What about the children?"! Rose_NoHo of course gave him a pass.
Of course he did, what else could we expect ? Truth and fair play ?
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#174853 Jan 13, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
1) I merely told you how it was, no need for me to care what works for you, and what does not.
2) No, why should I ?
3) Chongo and I have a hate/hate thing going on. Why should you care ?
4) I have no need for retrospect, I am aware of my actions, and applaud same.
5) There doesn't seem to be enough room on that high road, you have the whole road monopolized, no ?
Listen, boi, if you have any points to make, you'd best be making them, instead of asking inane questions about the way that we interact in here. You seem to ask for a lot of explanations from others. Don't you understand the way that we adults play ? I think you'd best go play some Pacman. You ain't coming on too well in here. You have tried to bring religion into this room, and that is fallacy. "Whispers": "no one cares". We're too busy having our fun, and right now, you've become the latest "funboi"...Tell me, how did you develop your communications system with God, anyway ? Did He send you an E-mail, or was it a phone call ? Meet Him in a pub, did you ? Did He tell you to look down on people ? Whether or not they wish to gain marriage rights, they are people that matter, even Chongo, who would not deign for a second to treat me the same way that I treat him, even though we go after each other quite a bit. Chongo can defend himself just fine. But I do not think that Chongo would defend me, for a second, still, I tell you that even Chongo is not a "trivial, worthless" person, contrary to my posts to him state. You are, in my opinion, more of the "trivial, worthless" type, than anyone else in here, due to your view that you are here to "hold us to account". Go peddle your sorry ass elsewhere.
Oh, so its even worse, you don't even care for self restraint with condor, and not exposing others without them letting you and being open, and before they are ready! Come back when you've learnt to do that! And certaintly don't call me boi, in fact not even bro, till you've learnt that little aphorism!
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174854 Jan 13, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>
The topic is Prop 8. Do you have A.D.D.?
If the topic is Prop 8, then why are you getting busy with name calling ?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174856 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
He appoints all believers to test others! You know nothing! Oh we don't need you for all this to speak for the crowd!
You leave one of my steadfast supporters alone.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174857 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
So God is really interested in how he speaks to people! Fascinating! Tell us about it!
Am I addressing you, or is it God, this time ?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174858 Jan 13, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Death threat. I remember it. She's done it to me too. Maybe Mr. Hudson and I will file a class action suit! Good idea. Sue you too!
You like to throw around those high falutin' fancy legal terms implying you are a lawyer.
Of course I always knew you were just a dopey jackass trying to fool us and impress us but one could easily assume you were a lawyer when you do that.
I never made any assumption that he was a lawyer, merely thought I'd seen someone post that he'd had some sort of legal training, but perhaps I was mistaken, rare but it happens. Class action, interesting idea, that...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174861 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Did he now? Did you imagine voices then? Did the bible tell you this? Remember, Paul wasn't that skillful in speech, did he tell Paul to write properly? "I'm God, tell this to church of Ephesus, Oh and for goodness sake, do speak properly and not mumble!".
Wait a minute, curlie. God put you here, but not me ? You even claimed to be God speaking to us, not yourself. But, you think that I am mad, to make the same claims that you have made ? Son, you're as mad as a March Hare...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174863 Jan 13, 2013
Big D wrote:
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It is a very desperate attempt to change the subject or include other things for outrage sake.
I no longer believe some people here that say they are for or against something while watching them try and undermine others
Unlike the inclusion of Loving V Virginia, which had nothing to do with SSM, but is always used, by Chongo, in seeking to bloster his side ? More double standardization, from the weak side...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174864 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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What comes out of the mouths of fools is always folly! Jane DoDo Is just being himself!
Gee, what a teeter-totter you are. First, you revile him, then you make nice with him...you are suffering from instability.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174866 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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By not claiming what is in the books that shows homosexuality proves Hudson is not even trying to properly trying to defend pure marriage either, and isn't really interested in supporting God and fighting homosexuality!
If your shallow ass had read any of the post with the titles, you'd have seen the little report of the content of each of those books.
Try it now, here is the source of the list that I posted: http://ncac.org/LGBTQ-Bans-and-Challenges

Care to read it ?
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174867 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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By not claiming what is in the books that shows homosexuality proves Hudson is not even trying to properly trying to defend pure marriage either, and isn't really interested in supporting God and fighting homosexuality!
Here:
And Tango Makes Three
By Justin Richardson and Henry Cole (Simon and Schuster)
And Tango Makes Three is based on the true story of two male penguins raising a chick in the Central Park Zoo. According the American Library Association it was the most challenged book of 2006, 2007 and 2008. One incident at a Loudoun County, Virginia elementary school involved the book’s removal from shelves in a decision by the local superintendent. There was an immediate backlash and many called for a reconsideration. Opponents of the book claimed that it promoted a ‘homosexual agenda.’ In another incident at a Southwick, Massachusetts elementary school, a librarian claimed she feared losing her job after introducing a class of second graders to the story. The librarian subsequently received a letter from her principal requesting that she ‘take [the] matter seriously and refrain from disseminating information that supports alternative styles of living,’ and that,‘further infractions [could] result in discipline up to and including suspension and/or termination of employment.’ In a third incident, the book was ordered off bookshelves in one of North Carolina’s largest school districts in Charlotte in 2006.

Angels in America
By Tony Kushner (Broadway Play Publishing, Inc.)
Angels in America was challenged at Deerfield High School in Deerfield, Massachusetts after protests from a community member who objected to its sexual, religious and racial content, and public attacks made by a local organization that called the play ‘pornography.’ However, after a major outcry from students and other community members, including a student who wrote an op-ed (available here), it was decided that the book would still be taught in the Deerfield AP English class.

Am I Blue? Coming Out of the Silence
By Marion Diane Bauer (Tricycle Press)
Am I Blue? Coming Out of the Silence was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC objected specifically to the book because of its gay content, as well as the fact that proceeds from the sale of the book went to Parents and Friends of Gays and Lesbians.

Annie on My Mind
By Nancy Garden (Farrar, Straus and Giroux)
Annie on My Mind was published first in 1982 amidst controversy because of its positive portrayal of the story’s gay protagonists. There have been several attacks on the book because it centers on two 17 year old girls exploring their sexual orientation, though there are no explicit sexual encounters in the novel. The book was also reportedly banned in some Kansas City schools.
The book was at the center of a high-profile 1995 case in which US District Court Justice Thomas Van Bebber ruled that the novel must be returned to high school libraries where it had been removed because it was educationally suitable.

Athletic Shorts
By Christopher Crutcher (HarperCollins)
Click here for the Kids' Right to Read Project interview with Chris Crutcher.
Athletic Shorts was one of several books attacked in Vero Beach, Florida. Part-time librarian and graduate student Meagan Albright decided to focus on gay, lesbian, and transgendered themes as part of a University of South Florida course called Multicultural and Special Population Materials for Children and Young Adults and created a display honoring LGBTQ books and authors.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174868 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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By not claiming what is in the books that shows homosexuality proves Hudson is not even trying to properly trying to defend pure marriage either, and isn't really interested in supporting God and fighting homosexuality!
More:
Baby Be Bop
By Francesca Lia Block (HarperCollins)
Click here to view Kids' Right to Read Project interview with Francesca Lia Block.
Baby Be Bop was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC objected specifically to Baby Be Bop because of its written style, saying ‘There are just plain too many teenager-aimed books nowadays that have this sort of choppy, half-conscious, half-delirious, not quite stream of consciousness style of writing.’
Baby Be Bop is also on a list of titles that a local group in West Bend, Wisconsin called West Bend Citizens for Safe Libraries objects to seeing in the local public library. In February, the group requested that the library board remove a page of recommended titles about LGBTQ issues for young people (including Baby Be Bop). They also demanded that the books be moved from the youth section of the library and placed with the adult collection,‘to protect children from accessing them without their parents’ knowledge and supervision.’ The Christian Civil Liberities Union - Milwaukee branch filed legal suit against the city of West Bend claiming its elderly plantiffs were damaged mentally and emotionally by the book's presence at the local public library. The claim seeks financial damages and the right to publically burn the library's copy of Baby Be Bop.

Between Lovers
By Eric Jerome Dickey (Penguin)
Between Lovers was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC objects to this novel because of its depictions of infidelity.

The Bermudez Triangle
By Maureen Johnson (Penguin)
On March 4th, 2007, in Oklahoma, a book challenge against The Bermudez Triangle was submitted to the school board of Bartlesville Public Schools in Oklahoma. Someone felt that a book had "no moral fiber" and asked for it to be removed "at once." The book chronicles the relationship between 3 female best friends and the trouble they run in to when 2 start to secretly date. The Bermudez Triangle was also challenged in the local Leesburg Public Library. Click here for the Kids' Right to Read Project interview with Maureen Johnson.

Cheaters
By Eric Jerome Dickey (Dutton)
Cheaters was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC objected to this novel specifically because of its depictions of sex, particularly homosexual sex.

Coming Out in College: The Struggle for a Queer Identity
By Robert A. Rhoades (Bergin & Garvey)
Coming Out in College: The Struggle for a Queer Identity was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174869 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
By not claiming what is in the books that shows homosexuality proves Hudson is not even trying to properly trying to defend pure marriage either, and isn't really interested in supporting God and fighting homosexuality!
Have some more:
Daddy’s Roommate
By Michael Willhoite (Alyson Publications)
Daddy’s Roommate was on of several books that was challenged during the period of Sarah Palin’s inquiries into school libraries in the Wasilla region of Alaska. Palin complained that Daddy’s Roommate-- a book that helps children understand homosexuality--did not belong in the Wasilla Public Library. When Laura Chase, Palin's first mayoral campaign manager, asked if she had read the book, the mayor responded, "she didn't need to read that stuff." Chase told the New York Times that she found it ‘disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn't even read it.’ The book has been banned in other circumstances for being age inappropriate and ‘promoting homosexuality.’

Dance on My Grave
By Alan Chambers (Doubleday)
Library Patrons of Texas, a conservative community group, attacked Dance on My Grave and 15 other LGBTQ or sex-themed books in the Montgomery, Texas library. Ultimately, none of the books were removed or restricted. The book tells the story of a 14 year old gay boy and his first gay relationships.

Doing It
By Melvin Burgess (Holt Henry & Co.)
Doing It was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC specifically objected to the novel because of its depictions of casual sex.

The Drowning of Stephan Jones
By Bette Greene (Laurel Leaf)
The Drowning of Stephan Jones was one of 4 books that drew complaints from a parent based on their LGBTQ content. The parent formally complained to Barron High School and despite recommendations from a specially convened committee, the District Administrator decided to ban two of the books immediately. At its September 21, 1998 meeting the Board banned The Drowning of Stephan Jones indefinitely.

The Education of Harriet Hatfield
By May Sarton (WW Norton & Co)
The Education of Harriet Hatfield was removed from Mascenic Regional High School classrooms in New Ipswich, New Hampshire because of its lesbian protagonist. An English teacher was subsequently fired for refusing to remove the book. The book tells the story of a woman who opens a bookstore for women in a blue-collar neighborhood in Boston where she is viciously attacked for being a lesbian.

Eight Seconds
By Jean Ferris (Harcourt)
Eight Seconds is a story about how two high school friends realize that they are gay after a summer rodeo school. The characters are totally aware of the social challenges that they face but are determined to live with tolerance and compassion. Library Patrons of Texas was critical of the book’s depiction of homosexuality, objecting to passages like ‘Poor little yellow-assed cowbaby, can’t even fight your own battles. Need a pretty boyfriend to watch out for you.’ The group tried to have the book removed from Montgomery libraries.

Family Values
By Phyllis Burke (Vintage)
Family Values was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC specifically objected to the book’s discussion of gay parents.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174871 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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By not claiming what is in the books that shows homosexuality proves Hudson is not even trying to properly trying to defend pure marriage either, and isn't really interested in supporting God and fighting homosexuality!
Done yet ?:
Gays/Justice: A Study of Ethics, Society and Law
By Richard D. Mohr (Colombia University Press)
Gays/Justice was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC objects to this book because it endorses stronger civil rights for gay people and opposes organized religion.

Geography Club
By Brent Hartinger (HarperCollins)
Geography Club has recently become one of the most banned and challenged books in the United States. It was banned in the author’s hometown of Tacoma, Washington. More recently, the book has come under fire in West Bend, Wisconsin, where community members object to its presence in the local library because of its ‘immoral’ gay content. Click here for the Kids' Right to Read Project interview with Brent Hartinger.

GLBTQ: The Survival Guide for Queer and Questioning Teens
By Kelly Huegel (Free Spirit)
GLBTQ: The Survival Guide for Queer and Questioning Teens was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC specifically objected to this book because it discusses transgender teens and provides online resources about being gay.

Good Moon Rising
By Nancy Garden (Farrar Straus & Giroux)
Library Patrons of Texas targeted author Nancy Garden’s books, including Good Moon Rising. The book is considered objectionable by the group because it presents homosexuality in a non-judgmental context.

Growing Up Gay in America
By Jason R. Rich (Franklin Street Books)
Local residents reported that there had been several challenges to books in the St. Louis Public library, including Growing Up Gay in America, by a community member who deemed the book and others to be ‘obscene’ and spoke against the books at a city council meeting.

Hey Dollface
By Deborah Hautzig (Bantam)
Library Patrons of Texas attempted to remove this book from Montgomery libraries because it tells the story of two girls’ friendship and blossoming sexuality. The book was reviewed along with several other titles, none of which were ultimately removed.

Holly’s Secret
By Nancy Garden (Farrar, Straus and Giroux)
Holly’s Secret was one of a few of Nancy Garden’s books to be challenged by the Library Patrons of Texas after the author became a target for the group. The book was considered objectionable because it presented homosexuality in a non-judgmental context and included phrases like ‘so what’s the big deal…who cares if your parents are both women’ and ‘I don’t care about your moms. At least you’ve got two parents. I wish I did.’

The Homo Handbook: Getting in Touch with Your Inner Homo
By Judy Carter (Simon & Schuster)
The Homo Handbook was one of 55 books that parents in Fayetteville, Arkansas petitioned to have removed from school libraries. The parents formed Parents Protecting the Minds of Children and objected to the profane language and depictions of sexuality in the book. They also accused librarians and other opponents of their efforts of promoting a homosexual agenda. PPMC specifically objected to the book because of its exploration of being gay and coming out of the closet.
Frankies Pudenda

Hoboken, NJ

#174872 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Its so ridiculous! I do hope Jane DoDo is embarrassed about holding onto his little crush Rose! He ought to be ashamed of himself!
Sorry, loser. I don't respond to shaming.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#174873 Jan 13, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
By not claiming what is in the books that shows homosexuality proves Hudson is not even trying to properly trying to defend pure marriage either, and isn't really interested in supporting God and fighting homosexuality!
I mean can keep pulling those titles out and throwing them up, complete with pertinent synopsis, but need I ?

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