Officials guarded on crash report

Officials guarded on crash report

There are 22 comments on the The Morning Call story from Oct 4, 2008, titled Officials guarded on crash report. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Six weeks after a wrong-way driver fleeing Palmer police on Route 22 killed himself and a New Jersey woman, township officials say they've wrapped up their investigation into whether police did anything wrong.

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Milford, NJ

#1 Oct 4, 2008
Is the exclusion in the "Right to Know Act" meant to cover up reports that are not favorable to the agency performing its official duties?
Disgusted

United States

#2 Oct 4, 2008
It would be nice if the MC would stop printing that the reason for the chase was a stolen vacuum cleaner. The guy was stopped, there were a couple of police cars around him, he drove around them and headed on 22 the wrong way. All his choices. What would be your recommendation? Use a stun gun on all traffic stops to make sure the driver doesn't run and endanger others?
Bob R

Wilkes Barre, PA

#3 Oct 4, 2008
You are so right "Digusted"!! Sadly people died, but lets not blame the police who were certainly doing their jobs to protect the public. Unfortunately, the result was tragic, but why blame the police?? This is yet another example of a trial lawyer wanting to line his pockets with a family's grief!!!
Thank you all public servants who have to deal with nonsense created by this "trial bar" legal climate!!

Since: Mar 07

Bethlehem, PA

#4 Oct 4, 2008
Rt22 is a state road, and this is where the suspect was chased and the victim was killed.

If a loophole exempts the townies from having to reveal the results of their own internal investigation, maybe the PSP should investigate the incident, and make all info public.
Easy

Skippack, PA

#5 Oct 4, 2008
The piece of szhit is responsible. Did the police push his vehicle into oncoming vehicles? Did the police drive at him head on and force him to swerve into oncoming traffic? Where the police driving the suspect vehicle? Did the police steal a vacuum cleaner? Did the police have warrants on themselves? Did the police serve time in prison? Did the police ignore lawful commands to stop? Look at the Whitehall and Colonial Regional arrests that both occurred lately. Everyone is happy.
May God (Who or whatever he is in your eyes)watch over the wife and unborn child and the left behind husband. Parents, friends and relatives as well as anyone struck by this act including the police and motorists on the road at the time as well as the readers who replayed this event in their minds while reading the news accounts.
User 123

Bethlehem, PA

#6 Oct 4, 2008
I don't think the point is a stolen vacume cleaner the guy ran if he were only a shoplifter he would not have lead the police on a high speed chase the second he did that the police would know this guy is a true criminal and needs to be taken off of the streets.
My Take

Walnutport, PA

#7 Oct 4, 2008
The driver of the pickup is the sole person to be held accountable for this unfortunate accident in my view after reading all reports. Messenger was NOT chased onto Rt. 22 (forced to enter Rt.22), he CHOSE to turn onto Rt. 22 on his own free will. If Messenger himself had CHOSEN to stay straight and drive through Easton, LaBar would still be alive today. Messenger is probably penniless and hasn't a pot to pisss in to get any monetary damages for the victim's husband, hence the lawsuit against Palmer Twsp.
here in PA

United States

#8 Oct 4, 2008
"Fischer said his law firm, in Washington Township, N.J., is conducting its own investigation. According to Fischer, his preliminary investigation has determined LaBar's death was ''inevitable'' the moment Palmer police got on Route 22 going the wrong way to chase Kevin Messinger, the pickup truck driver who was fleeing police after allegedly stealing a vacuum cleaner from the Palmer Park Mall."

It should have been "inevitable" that "someone" was going to get hurt the moment that "Kevin Messinger" decided to get on route 22 going the wrong way.

The police officers followed him. Not the other way around.
Let The Truth Come Out

Europe

#9 Oct 4, 2008
"Attorney Thomas Fischer said the Palmer police department and the township ''must be held accountable.''"

I can honestly say I have lost all sympathy for Mr. LaBar based on the fact that he (through his attorney) is apparently in a hurry to hold the police accountable. Mr. LaBar and his attorney need to wait until the facts come out to make such a statement. Maybe some of the fault lays with Mr. LaBar's wife for not paying attention to what was in front of her on the road. My understanding is that other vehicles swerved out of the way - what was she doing - dialing her cell phone or something? If Mr. LaBar wants to rush to judgement, it would make a lot more sense if he was rushing to blame the crook that was driving that pickup truck that slammed into his wife. But I guess there is no blood-money to be made from the dead crook.
GET REAL PEOPLE

AOL

#10 Oct 4, 2008
DONE ANYTHING WRONG?????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? THE POLICE WERE FOLLOWING A THUG LOSER THIEF. WHY ISN'T ANYONE BLAMING THE "CRIMINAL" FOR CAUSING THIS HORRIBLE CRASH. BAD GUY RUNS, POLICE LET HIM GO = ANYONE GETTING AWAY WITH ANYTHING.

nb
Let The Truth Come Out

Europe

#11 Oct 4, 2008
GET REAL PEOPLE wrote:
DONE ANYTHING WRONG?????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? THE POLICE WERE FOLLOWING A THUG LOSER THIEF. WHY ISN'T ANYONE BLAMING THE "CRIMINAL" FOR CAUSING THIS HORRIBLE CRASH. BAD GUY RUNS, POLICE LET HIM GO = ANYONE GETTING AWAY WITH ANYTHING.
nb
Why? It's all about who you can sue that will have money to actually pay. Mr. LaBar should be ashamed of himself and the attorney he has retained for this. I hope his sure to be upcoming lawsuit(s) help to relieve his grief.
HOLD ON

Long Beach, CA

#12 Oct 4, 2008
Hold On.... All of you bashing Mr. LaBar and his attorney should be ashamed of yourself. He was a newlywed as well as a father to be and I believe that ANY ONE OF YOU bashing him for filing a lawsuit would have done the same if you were in his shoes.

I'm certain that the lawsuit (if won) will NOT help to relieve any family member's grief; but it's the principal factors involved.

What is happening with the passenger in the truck? One doesn't hear anything about HER! According to the MC today, "Georgenn Watts, remains hospitalized since the crash. Watts is in fair condition at St. Luke's Hospital-Fountain Hill." What the hell does SHE have to say about all this? Unfortunately, she is the only one still alive to speak out about what happened that dreadful day and hopefully she'll tell the truth. It's hard to believe that Ms. Watts is STILL hospitalized if she is in "FAIR CONDITION". That doesn't make any sense! The hospitals do not keep you any longer than they need to but then again, maybe the taxpayers are paying for her stay.
Marshall

Northampton, PA

#13 Oct 4, 2008
HOLD ON wrote:
Hold On.... All of you bashing Mr. LaBar and his attorney should be ashamed of yourself. He was a newlywed as well as a father to be and I believe that ANY ONE OF YOU bashing him for filing a lawsuit would have done the same if you were in his shoes.
I'm certain that the lawsuit (if won) will NOT help to relieve any family member's grief; but it's the principal factors involved.
What is happening with the passenger in the truck? One doesn't hear anything about HER! According to the MC today, "Georgenn Watts, remains hospitalized since the crash. Watts is in fair condition at St. Luke's Hospital-Fountain Hill." What the hell does SHE have to say about all this? Unfortunately, she is the only one still alive to speak out about what happened that dreadful day and hopefully she'll tell the truth. It's hard to believe that Ms. Watts is STILL hospitalized if she is in "FAIR CONDITION". That doesn't make any sense! The hospitals do not keep you any longer than they need to but then again, maybe the taxpayers are paying for her stay.
Yes I would file a lawsuit, but against the scumbag thief who drove the wrong way on 22. But as a few others have stated the typical lawyer is going where the money is.
SER

Easton, PA

#14 Oct 4, 2008
A municipal police department should never be investigating themselves. Turn it over to the DA's office or State Police.
Left The Truth Come Out

Europe

#15 Oct 4, 2008
HOLD ON wrote:
Hold On.... All of you bashing Mr. LaBar and his attorney should be ashamed of yourself. He was a newlywed as well as a father to be and I believe that ANY ONE OF YOU bashing him for filing a lawsuit would have done the same if you were in his shoes.
Nobody has determined that the police did ANYTHING wrong. Attorney Thomas Fischer said the Palmer police department and the township "must be held accountable". Accountable for WHAT? If LaBar wants answers and accountability then he should drive up to St. Luke's Hospital-Fountain Hill and start there.

And are very wrong about how I would react or who I would blame in an incident like this. I can tell you I would not be pointing blame in the only direction that could pay money.

Since: Mar 07

Bethlehem, PA

#16 Oct 4, 2008
Fischer was on the right track to contract an independent investigation, but without the PSP, his "investigation" will carry no more weight than that of the township.

The NEW-WORLD-ORDER: Keep the People Stupid!

Apparently, Fischer's lawyer is equally as dumb for doing nothing more than the Twp did in the investigation.

Da Da Da.....
Changable Charley

Allentown, PA

#17 Oct 4, 2008
Messenger is not the only one to cause a wreck going the wrong way full speed. Charley Dent went the wrong way yesterday and voted against all his e-mail traffic from you and me to bail out the Wall Street crooks!

Vote Charley out!
anonymous

Allentown, PA

#18 Oct 4, 2008
the palmer twp manager sounds like a moron. didn't he previously state right after the crash that the investigation would be done by "the end of the week" and would be released to the public. If the law states the report does not have to be released i don't have a problem with that. however this looks like another overpaid twp. official collecting a paycheck and not being held accountable. FIRE HIM before he costs palmer twp more money by his stupid comments.
Non Your Buisness

Whitehall, PA

#19 Oct 4, 2008
Messinger is dead so how exactly do you think the victims family is going to get any money from him?
My Take wrote:
The driver of the pickup is the sole person to be held accountable for this unfortunate accident in my view after reading all reports. Messenger was NOT chased onto Rt. 22 (forced to enter Rt.22), he CHOSE to turn onto Rt. 22 on his own free will. If Messenger himself had CHOSEN to stay straight and drive through Easton, LaBar would still be alive today. Messenger is probably penniless and hasn't a pot to pisss in to get any monetary damages for the victim's husband, hence the lawsuit against Palmer Twsp.
Hmmm

Allentown, PA

#20 Oct 4, 2008
Don't be so haste. One, he lost his new bride and his child. Two, you don't know if that attorney is playing hard on those emotions to invoke such a reaction as to whether this report becomes public. Sometimes attorneys will do and say whatever in an effort to sue. I mean really, how many times has Karoly sued a city or borough around here. Think about it.
Let The Truth Come Out wrote:
"Attorney Thomas Fischer said the Palmer police department and the township ''must be held accountable.''"
I can honestly say I have lost all sympathy for Mr. LaBar based on the fact that he (through his attorney) is apparently in a hurry to hold the police accountable. Mr. LaBar and his attorney need to wait until the facts come out to make such a statement. Maybe some of the fault lays with Mr. LaBar's wife for not paying attention to what was in front of her on the road. My understanding is that other vehicles swerved out of the way - what was she doing - dialing her cell phone or something? If Mr. LaBar wants to rush to judgement, it would make a lot more sense if he was rushing to blame the crook that was driving that pickup truck that slammed into his wife. But I guess there is no blood-money to be made from the dead crook.

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