Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,376

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#184618 Mar 25, 2013
And still, not one rational argument against gay marriage!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184619 Mar 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Another lie.
If you used my argument, you would use my example. My wife and I fostered over ten children who were restored to their parent(s).
Why is it VV, that you can never argue from the facts? Does that not trouble you inside? Are you that seared? Sad.
So, all foster children are returned to their parents? And all same-gender families are incapable and unfit to provide foster care or an adoptive home? Show me a study... Show me proof...

I argue from facts and the real world. You have fostered 10 or so kids. Big whoop! Give you a a gold star! Same-gender parents foster and adopt thousands of children. And some how they manage to turn out just fine.

Your sole goal is to trash gays and lesbians from every angle. You don't rely on any science. You GRASP at epigenetics. You LIE and say that scientists have found THE answer. Not a single scientist has said with 100% certainty that epigenetics are related to homosexuality. Yet you come on here and LIE repeatedly, trying to convince everyone that they have.

Aren't Christians supposed to avoid lying?

endocannabanoid system

Anderson, CA

#184620 Mar 25, 2013
Marram wrote:
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Listen up, wannabe scientist. You are not smart enough or qualified to translate scientific theory, thatís right I said THEORY, as fact. Not to mention, in all Iíve read about the ďepi-markersĒ(a term made up by you) the word mistake is never mentioned. Scientific research is meant to discover and understand, not judge. Why do you continually misrepresent and twist the research? You continually accuse people of putting a twirl on things, but, youíre the biggest twirler of them all.
Also, Mark Regnerus is a puppet for anti-equality hate groups, not an independent researcher. His research has not been peer reviewed or authenticated. Besides, heís made clear his prejudices toward Gay Americans, so how could he conduct an unbiased study?
Youíre looking for a logical reason for your hate, but, itís your hate that clouds your objectivity. You canít find any logical reason/research that offers any valid argument against full marriage equality for Gay Americans so you twist (and twirl as you so often like to say) the information to support your less than honorable opinion.
The rest of your post is utter nonsense and not worthy of a response.
in other words.....get on that SSM love train, or be run over by the tide of history!!

momentum is clearly with us...
Judgment Day

Henderson, NV

#184621 Mar 25, 2013
The ad hominems against a very reasonable poster--the absolute filth spewed by idiots--shows you know how good that poster's arguments are.

You're asking to be treated as equals and yet act this way.

I'm almost glad about the massive meningitis plague in NY's homosexual community.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#184622 Mar 25, 2013
Judgment Day wrote:
The ad hominems against a very reasonable poster--the absolute filth spewed by idiots--shows you know how good that poster's arguments are.
You're asking to be treated as equals and yet act this way.
I'm almost glad about the massive meningitis plague in NY's homosexual community.
LOL. Do your ad hominem attacks show how good other posters' posts are?
Gaetano

Sonoma, CA

#184623 Mar 25, 2013
Karney Worker wrote:
How come when a sentor or congressman is in the washington place they is married yet they dont have kids every nine months as the bible demands? Well, either they is fruitin off in the can or doing something with rubber gloves that god dont want. Vote for Bachmann, she knows eveything and will go ahead and tell IF WE PUT HER IN THE WHITE HOUISE. God wants it and we cant go against god.
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is evil twaddle and wastes everyones remaining moments before the black helicopters, that Mr Rove warns of, land and disperse the zombies who would take from us our very reason and our guns too.
Think BEFORE you write and even more efficiently think about not writing but opening the window and yelling " I'm mad as hell and somebody better come take me away to the rubber pocket room, and pronto pup". Yup
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#184624 Mar 25, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
And still, not one rational argument against gay marriage!
Rose_NoHo.

That's easy for the Homosexual and non-Homosexual "Blacks" and the lesbians to say, but how long are we dog lovers going to be denied our RIGHT to marry the Honeys of our own choosing? How would YOU like to be a "second class citizen", as well as having to suffer the H8ate of the majority?

Ronald

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#184625 Mar 25, 2013
Marram wrote:
<quoted text>
You sound like a sniveling wimp. Face it, you donít have anything to offer and should just go away. Iím sure this isnít the first time youíve heard this.
Nope, just pointing out the obvious, and based on your response I would say I might have hit a little too close to home for ya- eh Marram?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#184626 Mar 25, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep on coming up with dumber and dumber arguments.
One would be hard pressed to win that contest against you.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#184627 Mar 25, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
You "marriage" could never be one, monster.
You marriage???
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#184631 Mar 26, 2013
Lately, the Government licensed "news" has been promoting - in unison - the notion that, now, "everyone" supports the idea that two persons of the same SEX should have the "right" to "marry" each other. It must be true. After all, we can always believe the Government propaganda mill. Yeah. Right.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184634 Mar 26, 2013
akpilot wrote:
How sad is it that there are generally 6-8 people who have no life, and spend their lonely days trolling the thread to post judge-it's not based on the content of the post, but based on the name attached to the post?
How much sadder would it be if there was only 1 person?
Seriously, look at the judge-its. With near 100% accuracy you will see page after page, 6-8 judge-it's.
So sad.
Amen!

It simply exposes the ignorant bigotry of their position. A mindless opposition to anyone who disagrees with their demands. Childish and silly.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#184635 Mar 26, 2013
akpilot wrote:
How sad is it that there are generally 6-8 people who have no life, and spend their lonely days trolling the thread to post judge-it's not based on the content of the post, but based on the name attached to the post?
How much sadder would it be if there was only 1 person?
Seriously, look at the judge-its. With near 100% accuracy you will see page after page, 6-8 judge-it's.
So sad.
endocannabanoid system wrote:
<quoted text>
you are right here with, us mr. pursuit of liberty for all...
He is not 'right here with us', he makes one of the most reasoned, respectful and thoughtful responses found here.

No matter what he says, there are 6 to 8 'judgits' that deem it 'hate'. Mindless responses like yours that simply reveal bigotry.

Grow up.

Smile.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184636 Mar 26, 2013
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so confused.
DOMA has already failed in court, and the basis for that decision was the the RIGHT to REGULATE and DEFINE marriage rested with the STATE!!! The SCOTUS upholding that decision would AFFIRM that the STATES have the power to REGULATE and DEFINE marriage. It would do NOTHING to help your argument.
You really should stop pretending that you understand the legal system.
The Supreme Court has already once impacted the state's ability to regulate marriage in 1967 when decided in the Loving v. Virginia case. It overturned not only Virginia's law against interracial marriage, but it also overturned its own 1883 decision, Pace v. Alabama, in which a ban on interracial marriage was upheld.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#184637 Mar 26, 2013
Baker v Nelson is US Supreme Court precedent for a State's right to define marriage as one man and one woman. Proposition 8 was a legal amendment to define marriage as one man and one woman. If SCOTUS doesn't rule for the people of California, it will have voided its own precedent.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184638 Mar 26, 2013
KiMare wrote:
akpilot wrote:
How sad is it that there are generally 6-8 people who have no life, and spend their lonely days trolling the thread to post judge-it's not based on the content of the post, but based on the name attached to the post?
How much sadder would it be if there was only 1 person?
Seriously, look at the judge-its. With near 100% accuracy you will see page after page, 6-8 judge-it's.
So sad.
<quoted text>
He is not 'right here with us', he makes one of the most reasoned, respectful and thoughtful responses found here.
No matter what he says, there are 6 to 8 'judgits' that deem it 'hate'. Mindless responses like yours that simply reveal bigotry.
Grow up.
Smile.
Oh please, Kim... You are on about 10 (or more) of these gay themed forums. You've posted hundreds (thousands?) of comments over the past 3 years.

And you've most recently taken to outright LYING about epigenetics. You claim that science has reached the conclusion that an epigenetic marker "mistake" has been located. You say that there is no doubt. And you KNOW this is not true.

When you come on here and LIE, you continue to lose credibility.

Those who might support you do not like to be associated with a liar.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184639 Mar 26, 2013
"Marriage Ruling Could Save Same-Sex Couples Thousands"
By Blake Ellis, CNN Money March 26, 2013

Should the Supreme Court overturn a federal law that defines marriage as solely between a man and a woman, some married same-sex couples will save $8,000 or more in income tax, a new analysis finds.

This week, the court will hear a case challenging the Defense of Marriage Act, a 1996 law that prevents same-sex couples from receiving more than 1,000 federal benefits that opposite-sex married couples receive.

This includes the right to file federal taxes jointly -- which, depending on income, gives some married filers a "bonus" of thousands of dollars, while penalizing others.

A same-sex couple with combined income of $100,000, in which one person earns $70,000 and the other makes $30,000, currently pays an extra $1,625 per year by filing separately rather than jointly, according to an analysis H&R Block conducted for CNNMoney. The calculations assume a standard deduction, no children and no tax credits.

The extra tax liability jumps to nearly $8,000 when one spouse earns all $100,000 and the other reports no income. In this case, couples filing jointly owe tax of $11,858, while a same-sex couple filing separately owes $19,585 -- a 65% difference.

Another major tax issue at stake in the DOMA case is the estate tax. Currently, surviving spouses in federally-recognized marriages don't have to pay taxes on their deceased spouse's estate, while same-sex widows pay a 35% estate tax on anything in excess of a $5 million exemption.

(read more here: http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/26/pf/taxes/same... )

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#184640 Mar 26, 2013
Let's reform taxes and entitlements, not rewrite marriage laws for everyone.

Same sex marriage is bad because propaganda dissuades low information voters against their natural allies, the conservatives.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184642 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Let's reform taxes and entitlements, not rewrite marriage laws for everyone.
Same sex marriage is bad because propaganda dissuades low information voters against their natural allies, the conservatives.
This is the 21st century, we can multitask, we can remove the entitlements for the wealthy in the form of their entitlement tax breaks while at the same time promoting justice and equality for same sex couples by allowing them to marry.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184643 Mar 26, 2013
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
If you buy this nonsense you really need to get your head checked.
If the "far right" had the clout you claim Romney would have never made it to NH in the Primary.
We all watched Romney jump way to the right in order to be nominated, it was really amusing watching him say things that he never ever even indicated before, to get himself nominated.

We all saw it, maybe you were on vacation, you donít remember the comments played over and over about how you say this to get nominated, and then have to backtrack in order to get elected? It was in all the media except the Faux News of course.

And the things he did and said, lost him the election against someone that could have easily been beaten if he had remained the moderate he was before running for office.

His problem was, once saying the right wing fringe stuff in the primary, it is recorded and played back during the general.

Every Republican nominee is going to have the same issue until the republican party moves back to the center.

Until they do, I donít see a way around the problem the Republicans have.

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