Is the Libyan debacle due to incompet...

Is the Libyan debacle due to incompetentce?

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charley brown

Louisville, KY

#1 Nov 18, 2012
or, is it a pack of lies? i think it is due to both. i think we had national intelligence emails floating around out there and then when they resurfaced, they had been scrubbed clean of any reference to al queda! why is that? did obama not want us to know that he had failed to wipe out al queda like he promised he would? could obama be so arrogant and self-serving that he would lie to the u.s. about the deaths of 4 american citizens in libya? it's a scarry thought one way or another to think that the man in charge of the u.s. is such an incompetent liar.

Since: May 12

Hagerhill, KY

#2 Nov 18, 2012
no it's due to a weak president
Slapper John

Salyersville, KY

#3 Nov 18, 2012
Here's the skinny on Libya. We don't have a military force there. We don't want to get involved there. We sure as hell don't want to admit Alqeada is there because it was supposed to have been vanquished by UBL's death.

Nobody wanted to admit we had been hit by them the week before the election with Biden running around touting the death of terrorism.

The whole thing since it happened has been one big spin up to and including the Petreous scandal.

Look folks. I know us Dems don't want to admit it but supporting a political party doesn't have to include eating every bit of crap they feed us. We must call them on it and demand they account for it or we'll be a corrupt party.

There is absolutely no way to put this cat back in the bag and if you go around spouting these feeble excuses that you know are false, it does nothing but make the other side thing we are weak minded sheep that just ingest and regurgitate.

Hold the leaders you support accountable. If you give them your vote, demand they be accountable for getting it. Don't be ashamed or embarrassed but don't stick your head in the dirt either.

Since: Jun 12

Salyersville, KY

#4 Nov 18, 2012
Its more than just one persons fault.
charley brown

Louisville, KY

#5 Nov 18, 2012
Slapper John wrote:
Here's the skinny on Libya. We don't have a military force there. We don't want to get involved there. We sure as hell don't want to admit Alqeada is there because it was supposed to have been vanquished by UBL's death.
Nobody wanted to admit we had been hit by them the week before the election with Biden running around touting the death of terrorism.
The whole thing since it happened has been one big spin up to and including the Petreous scandal.
Look folks. I know us Dems don't want to admit it but supporting a political party doesn't have to include eating every bit of crap they feed us. We must call them on it and demand they account for it or we'll be a corrupt party.
There is absolutely no way to put this cat back in the bag and if you go around spouting these feeble excuses that you know are false, it does nothing but make the other side thing we are weak minded sheep that just ingest and regurgitate.
Hold the leaders you support accountable. If you give them your vote, demand they be accountable for getting it. Don't be ashamed or embarrassed but don't stick your head in the dirt either.
that is the most intelligent post i have read on here regarding this subject. that makes perfect sense whether you are a dem or a republican.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#6 Nov 18, 2012
Two posts made sense. Slapper and Endsense. There are crooked folks on both sides of the aisle and history shows that very plainly. Who is the guilty party here. Dunno. All anyone can do is speculate like Charley is doing. Our Government is under the public court of justice right now. Speculation has no place in any court. Neither does a biased opinion.No different than a court of law, facts have to be in place and considered in an unbiased manner. The only facts in evidence [and available] are spun briefing papers were evidently altered and no one wants to own up to who done it and many seem to be looking at things through a biased eye.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#7 Nov 18, 2012
Btw, has anyone considered this is all just another distraction from something else? Or maybe it's just all rhetoric where each party is simply trying to make the other look bad? Here's a conspiracy theory for you. A republican or three intercepted the papers that Rice and Obama were to receive and altered them so they would look bad when they released them to the public.
Slapper John

Salyersville, KY

#8 Nov 18, 2012
Yeah. Those what ifs are kinda what I was referring to. Not everything is the fault if the evil Republicans. Our side screws the pooch too. Best thing is to own it and move forward. Remember Mogadishu? Same thing.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#9 Nov 18, 2012
Slapper John wrote:
Yeah. Those what ifs are kinda what I was referring to. Not everything is the fault if the evil Republicans. Our side screws the pooch too. Best thing is to own it and move forward. Remember Mogadishu? Same thing.
Agreed. Not everything is the fault of the evil Republicans and agreed once more, both sides should be watched like they themselves are each wearing explosive under wear. What's chapping my ass is it's all being heaped onto the back of one person when their isn't the first shred of evidence to support the claims. Never mind finding out who the real culprit/s is, let's just hurry up and blame the guy we already hate. Very adult and well thought out decision that.
Slapper John

Salyersville, KY

#10 Nov 19, 2012
If you think that the top dog didn't have knowledge of this until later, you're really trying too hard. This attack lasted nearly 8 hours. I'm more than positive that the war room monitored the whole thing.

The truth was more than the American people could stand to hear. He knew it. They formed a plan that wasn't the best. To pretend otherwise doesn't fool the other side. It makes our side look stupid because they think we're dumb enough to believe what we're saying.

I don't know Obama or the Clinton's and I sure as hell don't feel responsible for making excuses for them. Like all addicts and politicians, they are liars by nature. I'm not sounding like a doofus just to defend them. Let them do it.
charley brown

Louisville, KY

#11 Nov 19, 2012
gaytor_bayt wrote:
Btw, has anyone considered this is all just another distraction from something else? Or maybe it's just all rhetoric where each party is simply trying to make the other look bad? Here's a conspiracy theory for you. A republican or three intercepted the papers that Rice and Obama were to receive and altered them so they would look bad when they released them to the public.
wow, you are so down on me for conspiracy theories and you weave the most incredible theory ever. amazing.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#12 Nov 19, 2012
Slapper John wrote:
If you think that the top dog didn't have knowledge of this until later, you're really trying too hard. This attack lasted nearly 8 hours. I'm more than positive that the war room monitored the whole thing.
I never said he didn't have knowledge of the attack when it happened. I'm saying he didn't have knowledge of what brought it about beyond what he was told.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#13 Nov 19, 2012
charley brown wrote:
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wow, you are so down on me for conspiracy theories and you weave the most incredible theory ever. amazing.
Yet you still missed the point. Amazing! I just showed you my conspiracy theory can be just as un/believeable as yours.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#14 Nov 19, 2012
Slapper John wrote:
If you think that the top dog didn't have knowledge of this until later, you're really trying too hard. This attack lasted nearly 8 hours. I'm more than positive that the war room monitored the whole thing.
A goodly portion of the Nation wants to know IMMEDIATELY why these folks attacked, who these folks were, why we didn't know beforehand they were going to be attacked and why weren't they fully protected.

They were being protected by something called the Chain Of Command. Any former military person knows what that is. Big Dog makes the order to Smaller Dog who passes it down to Little Dog to get it done. All Little Dog can do is follow orders which they did to the letter. If the CIA knew these people were massing for an attack somewhere and it was in proximity to the Embassy, guess who fell short? NOT Big Dog, Smaller Dog and Little Dog. Intelligence [oxymoron really] fell short.

Why were the memo's altered? Beats the chit outta me. Kinda stupid from my point of view because it sounded ridiculous when I first heard it.

Then again I remember the burning of the Quaran' we did over there and the rad preacher who threatened to burn one over here and the uproar it caused from the Muslims. Is it possible someone was trying to capitalize on the attack to keep us over there?

There is no accounting for the thought processes of the people we elect. Some seem as dumb as a stump yet others seem pretty dam sharp and none of us are in the loop enough to do our own investigating.

All we can do is sit back and watch them keep slinging chit against the wall to see what sticks and go from there.
Charley Brown

Louisville, KY

#15 Nov 27, 2012
gaytor_bayt wrote:
<quoted text>I never said he didn't have knowledge of the attack when it happened. I'm saying he didn't have knowledge of what brought it about beyond what he was told.
oh ma gawd gas bag!!! sun kan't ye do no bettern thayt? yur about as gud as thayt pres obama feller yur su in luv with. both of yuns is sech dissiminators of facts it jest makes me want ta puke. no no i never said thayt i said somthin ntirely difrunt. ye jest didunt hear me right.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#16 Nov 27, 2012
Charley Brown wrote:
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oh ma gawd gas bag!!! sun kan't ye do no bettern thayt? yur about as gud as thayt pres obama feller yur su in luv with. both of yuns is sech dissiminators of facts it jest makes me want ta puke. no no i never said thayt i said somthin ntirely difrunt. ye jest didunt hear me right.
Congrats! You went from idiot to humerous all the way down to stupid. Keep it up and you'll move out of that inbred slot sooner or later.
Slapper John

Salyersville, KY

#17 Nov 27, 2012
Susan Rice met with Republican law makers today. She not only admitted that they initially blamed the video but that the administration did so because that was the intel they initially received.

Now that may be but the real question is why don't they pick a story and stick to it?

First, they spend 2 weeks vilifying a video for the uprising, then back off and say it was a planned attack and that they never blamed the video.

Today: we blamed a video due to bad intel but now admit it was a planned attack.

I think we've etched a little closer to the truth which will eventually come out.

We blamed a video because we didn't want it to look bad and the cat got out of the bag.

If it were me, I'd admitted it from the get go. It would have looked more credible. The president would have looked more secure in his ability.

I'm not interested in a president that spins every screw up to be someone else's fault. I'm interested in a president that admits mistakes , owns them and pushes on with strength.

Too bad it's been centuries since we've had one.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#18 Nov 27, 2012
Slapper John wrote:
Susan Rice met with Republican law makers today. She not only admitted that they initially blamed the video but that the administration did so because that was the intel they initially received.
Now that may be but the real question is why don't they pick a story and stick to it?
First, they spend 2 weeks vilifying a video for the uprising, then back off and say it was a planned attack and that they never blamed the video.
Today: we blamed a video due to bad intel but now admit it was a planned attack.
I think we've etched a little closer to the truth which will eventually come out.
We blamed a video because we didn't want it to look bad and the cat got out of the bag.
If it were me, I'd admitted it from the get go. It would have looked more credible. The president would have looked more secure in his ability.
I'm not interested in a president that spins every screw up to be someone else's fault. I'm interested in a president that admits mistakes , owns them and pushes on with strength.
Too bad it's been centuries since we've had one.
The climate politicians have created for themselves is CYOA [cover your own ass]. Instead of working together and figuring out what went wrong they instead use whatever intel they can dig up to try and bury one another. We need more than just a strong pres, we need a strong administration period. It's all games and the root of it all is nothing more than money. This rich guy doesn't like who is running so he donates money to this other guy who makes it his lifes goal to smear whoever is running. It's all back and forth. Very few at the top are willing to do what is right when their own monetary future is on the line. Like I said, get the money out of politics and things will clean up. Make it a law that politicians are subject to the same laws the rest of us peons are and we might actually end up with a Government worth bragging about. Until then all we'll have is a very bad soap opera running the country.

I say we elect Jax Teller as pres, Chibs Telford as VP and Tig Trager as Sec.of Defense. Happy Lowman could oversee Wall Street and the banking industry.
Charley Brown

Louisville, KY

#19 Nov 28, 2012
Slapper John wrote:
Susan Rice met with Republican law makers today. She not only admitted that they initially blamed the video but that the administration did so because that was the intel they initially received.
Now that may be but the real question is why don't they pick a story and stick to it?
First, they spend 2 weeks vilifying a video for the uprising, then back off and say it was a planned attack and that they never blamed the video.
Today: we blamed a video due to bad intel but now admit it was a planned attack.
I think we've etched a little closer to the truth which will eventually come out.
We blamed a video because we didn't want it to look bad and the cat got out of the bag.
If it were me, I'd admitted it from the get go. It would have looked more credible. The president would have looked more secure in his ability.
I'm not interested in a president that spins every screw up to be someone else's fault. I'm interested in a president that admits mistakes , owns them and pushes on with strength.
Too bad it's been centuries since we've had one.
slapper john imho you are a very honest and intelligent man . you are wise enough to see that if you try to lie your way out of a situation it just makes you look worse than you really may be. There have been republicans who have lied when they have gotten themselves in a mess just as well as democrats. i respect your honesty. in my eyes that makes you a very big man. i agree with everything you have said in your post. i think you are absolutely right the truth will come out and we should all be big enough to handle it when it does.
Charley Brown

Louisville, KY

#20 Nov 28, 2012
gaytor_bayt wrote:
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Congrats! You went from idiot to humerous all the way down to stupid. Keep it up and you'll move out of that inbred slot sooner or later.
er uuh gas bag what dus inbred slot mean? please tell us o smart feller. usns is jest a watin ta hur frum ye o great gas bag.

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