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...but try reading it:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/...

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Dec 31, 2012
 
New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
The writer has a right to his opinion and is free to speak it. I have the right to disagree. I can understand his son being uncomfortable or not feeling safe. What however is wrong that his own father cannot make him feel safe. He also got it wrong on the NRA saying "guns will make everyone tread lighter and watch what they say." Horseshit. The knowledge that many people may be armed will make bad guys think twice about trying a robbery or whatever. I've been exposed to guns for 45 years now. I owned my own when I was 10. A single shot 22. I'm yet to shoot someone because I didn't like what they had to say.

A lot of people are of the >>opinion<< guns are a bad thing. The >>facts<< say otherwise.

Opinions, trying to force other people to the will of the minority, twisting the constitution to suit the opinion, even using Christianity [in a perverted way] are all things that have turned the majority against the conservative Republicans. It won't work where guns are concerned either.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Oh yeah. My kids, ex-wife, current g/f and her son feel safe even though there are guns in the house and I normally have one on me.

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Oh yeah. My kids, ex-wife, current g/f and her son feel safe even though there are guns in the house and I normally have one on me.
I feel totally safe without a gun and don't have the odd paranoia that the gubment is coming for me, or that some evil person is going to rape me.

That's the point of the Opinion, if we feel scared, we aren't really free

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Dec 31, 2012
 
New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
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I feel totally safe without a gun and don't have the odd paranoia that the gubment is coming for me, or that some evil person is going to rape me.
That's the point of the Opinion, if we feel scared, we aren't really free
You're interpreting my reasoning as paranoia. It isn't. I've seen firsthand what humans can do to one another. I've stood in an ER watching and waiting for the docs to pick buck shot out of a fellow so I can interview him and start looking for the shooter. I've taken pics and tried to figure out "the six questions" with a woman sitting in the front seat of a car with half her head gone. I've been shot at and returned fire. And that was all before my 23rd birthday as an MP. Want some more from when I was a volunteer Sheriff? Care to read some of the chit I've seen done to kids and wives/g/f's as an MP and V. Sheriff? And,,,, I was the Good Guy carrying a gun. The living ones were glad when I showed up. I'm still the Good Guy carrying a gun because I've seen what the bad guys do. I'm not paranoid. I'm enlightened.

Here's a hint where I'm concerned NG. Wanna take my guns? Erase what I've seen with my own eyes,,, then we'll talk about it,,, maybe,,, because I still read prodigiously.
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Hey, NG, are you really an elderly, Gay man who used to post under the nickname Spaced Out? There is at least one person who posts on here who says she saw you posting as NG while you were at the Ramada Inn and that you are an old man. I have done some research and at least one regular poster on here knows who you really are. Come on now buddy, fess up because... inquiring minds want to know.

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gaytor_bayt wrote:
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You're interpreting my reasoning as paranoia. It isn't. I've seen firsthand what humans can do to one another. I've stood in an ER watching and waiting for the docs to pick buck shot out of a fellow so I can interview him and start looking for the shooter. I've taken pics and tried to figure out "the six questions" with a woman sitting in the front seat of a car with half her head gone. I've been shot at and returned fire. And that was all before my 23rd birthday as an MP. Want some more from when I was a volunteer Sheriff? Care to read some of the chit I've seen done to kids and wives/g/f's as an MP and V. Sheriff? And,,,, I was the Good Guy carrying a gun. The living ones were glad when I showed up. I'm still the Good Guy carrying a gun because I've seen what the bad guys do. I'm not paranoid. I'm enlightened.
Here's a hint where I'm concerned NG. Wanna take my guns? Erase what I've seen with my own eyes,,, then we'll talk about it,,, maybe,,, because I still read prodigiously.
Here';s one of my favorite (of many quotes) regarding this topic:

"The United States is gripped by lunacy. The lunacy of guns being more important than children. The lunacy of science being trumped by superstition. The lunacy of money and property being more important than people and the environment. It's long overdue that rational, sane Americans stand up and take responsibility. Allowing gun nuts, creationists, climate deniers and other assorted denizens of the fringes of rationality to run the country is not working."

..I'd add in there the "preppers; also....

I'm surrounded by those types....and it's really an uncomfortable feeling. Just doing my daily business around people like that is an assault of my sensibility.
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Jan 1, 2013
 
NG do the names Scott and Rochelle Hagnas mean anything to you?

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Jan 1, 2013
 
New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
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Here';s one of my favorite (of many quotes) regarding this topic:
"The United States is gripped by lunacy. The lunacy of guns being more important than children. The lunacy of science being trumped by superstition. The lunacy of money and property being more important than people and the environment. It's long overdue that rational, sane Americans stand up and take responsibility. Allowing gun nuts, creationists, climate deniers and other assorted denizens of the fringes of rationality to run the country is not working."
..I'd add in there the "preppers; also....
I'm surrounded by those types....and it's really an uncomfortable feeling. Just doing my daily business around people like that is an assault of my sensibility.
Not a bad quote except it's comprised of two facts and one opinion.

Fact 1.] Superstition has always butted heads with science and for a fact still does even today.

Fact 2.] Capitalists [the cold, unfeeling ones anyway] have always considered their workers as a part of the tools of their trade and will throw them away when they are no longer of any use.

Fact 3.] Their is no empirical evidence to suggest gun owners suffer from any sort of lunacy. The evidence however does point towards the opposite for the majority. Stating that gun owners consider the ownership of guns more important than the life of children is nothing more than an attempt to demonize gun owners. Their is zero evidence to support any truth to the statement.

Fact 4.] Those who wish to suppress the rights for law abiding citizens does suggest a bent towards tyranny. And true to those who are weak at debating, slandering, humiliating, demonizing and plain old name calling will be used to support the suppression of gun rights for law abiding citizens because they cannot provide anything reasonable to do so otherwise. And those who take the conservative approach always think this will work.

As long as we law abiding citizens aren't infringing upon your rights nor effecting you in any illegal fashion there is no reasonable excuse to infringe upon our rights.

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Not a bad quote except it's comprised of two facts and one opinion.
Fact 1.] Superstition has always butted heads with science and for a fact still does even today.
Fact 2.] Capitalists [the cold, unfeeling ones anyway] have always considered their workers as a part of the tools of their trade and will throw them away when they are no longer of any use.
Fact 3.] Their is no empirical evidence to suggest gun owners suffer from any sort of lunacy. The evidence however does point towards the opposite for the majority. Stating that gun owners consider the ownership of guns more important than the life of children is nothing more than an attempt to demonize gun owners. Their is zero evidence to support any truth to the statement.
Fact 4.] Those who wish to suppress the rights for law abiding citizens does suggest a bent towards tyranny. And true to those who are weak at debating, slandering, humiliating, demonizing and plain old name calling will be used to support the suppression of gun rights for law abiding citizens because they cannot provide anything reasonable to do so otherwise. And those who take the conservative approach always think this will work.
As long as we law abiding citizens aren't infringing upon your rights nor effecting you in any illegal fashion there is no reasonable excuse to infringe upon our rights.
One minute a schizophrenic gun owner is a law abiding citizen the next he's a mass murderer. No one yet as been able to predict who this pre-murderer is.

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Jan 1, 2013
 
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it hard to:

1. Tell the difference between what is real and not real

2. Think clearly

3. Have normal emotional responses

4. Act normally in social situations

To legally acquire a firearm from a dealer requires an in state photo ID. Schizophrenics normally wouldn't have this. If they did, I doubt they could complete the transaction. If their affliction is controlled to an extent and they acquired the firearm, they did so illegally. Even at a gun show or whatever, someone who is a schizophrenic is breaking the law when they buy a firearm. Again, we legal gun owners have no more control over what other people do than you do, yet we're expected to pay a consequence by giving up one of our rights? Tell me. How is that fair?

Trying to tell me I should give up my guns because you think I should isn't going to work.

You cannot show one bit of evidence of any crimes whatsoever where a gun is at fault for the crime being committed. The fault will ALWAYS be with the wielder. Do the hard thing that strains the brain and figure out how to curb the want for committing violence instead of trying to take a way out that has already been tried and failed.

Why don't we do something novel. Release the offenders from jail and prison that really don't need to be in there to begin with. Write stricter laws that are enforced and offer a worthwhile rehab for violent offenders. If they need psych help, give it to them. If they prove they won't return to crime because they were taught a decent trade while doing time, let em go.

Spend money for free education for those who haven't yet committed a crime as well as mental health care. We spend more money on prisoners in the U.S. than for the two things just mentioned and we are the only country in the world that does this.

That's downright stupid to force someone to go deeply in debt to educate themselves and if they have to resort to crime for whatever reason they're taken care of with free housing, food and medical care.

Imho, the two things I just mentioned, a lack of mental health care and education are the two main reasons for violence in this country. If you stop and void out the rhetoric and think deep enough, you may agree.

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Bait,

The crazy killer in CT did not buy the guns, his mother did.

That fact alone voids your argument.
What What In The But

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New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
Bait,
The crazy killer in CT did not buy the guns, his mother did.
That fact alone voids your argument.
Ban Mothers!!!! End all crime!!! No Mothers, No Children!!! NO MORE CRIMES!!!!

Of course this will mean the end of all humanity but crime rates will be at an all time low!!!
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New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
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One minute a schizophrenic gun owner is a law abiding citizen the next he's a mass murderer. No one yet as been able to predict who this pre-murderer is.
Exactly how loose is your but hole?
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New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
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One minute a schizophrenic gun owner is a law abiding citizen the next he's a mass murderer. No one yet as been able to predict who this pre-murderer is.
Say hello to your mother for me.
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..I'd add in there the "preppers; also....
I'm surrounded by those types....and it's really an uncomfortable feeling. Just doing my daily business around people like that is an assault of my sensibility.
Yes, any one who is prepared for an emergency is a danger to others, with their candles, oil lamps and clean drinking water!!!!! This world is MAD!!!! MAD I SAY!!!!! Who do these people think they are wanting to survive in case of a power outage or food shortage, with their food and such!!! IT MAKES ME SIIIIIIICCCCKKK!!!
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Jan 1, 2013
 
Give everyone a gun and even the playing field.
I have one in each hand as I type this with my keypad. Safety off, one in the chamber, cocked back. Bowie knife between my teeth. GOD I LOVE THE TASTE OF COLD STEEL AND THE SMELL OF FRESH BURNT GUN POWDER!!! How about you?
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Jan 1, 2013
 
ROTFFLMAO !!!! When I first read this I couldn't stop laughing and then, after I read it again, I realize how right you are WWITB. Extreamly funny though.

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Jan 1, 2013
 
New Girl in Town_Ethereal wrote:
Bait,
The crazy killer in CT did not buy the guns, his mother did.
That fact alone voids your argument.
No it doesn't. The mother was guilty of not adequately securing her firearms which allowed someone with mental difficulties access to them. Someone she KNEW had some what reads like serious mental difficulties. She didn't break any laws but she was obviously careless. How does her carelessness make me guilty of anything?

Btw. We need to ban subways. Nuts are shoving other people onto the tracks in front of trains. Others seem to be just toppling out onto the tracks in front of trains for no apparent reason.

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No it doesn't. The mother was guilty of not adequately securing her firearms which allowed someone with mental difficulties access to them. Someone she KNEW had some what reads like serious mental difficulties. She didn't break any laws but she was obviously careless. How does her carelessness make me guilty of anything?
Btw. We need to ban subways. Nuts are shoving other people onto the tracks in front of trains. Others seem to be just toppling out onto the tracks in front of trains for no apparent reason.
There's always an excuse:

Guns dont kill people...., crazies with guns kill people...., the guns were unsecured...blah blah blah

It begs the question....WHY do you NEED guns? Please dont tell me to protect yourself from goverment takeover, or you need personal protection.....thats all BS.....

I'm not buying it....I live quite comfortably in my secure non-paranoid world without the NEED for a gun. I'd feel much better if no one else had access to guns too. OH wait>>here it comes>> "only criminals will have guns"

It's such a little boy, testosterone-driven subject.

I truly know that Im not going to convince any hillbilly otherwise, but that won't keep me from voicing my very sane opinion. I want to live in a civilized society, and knowing that everyone else is packing doesn't seem very civil to me.

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