Parental Rights against Child Protect...
NO CPS

Van Lear, KY

#44 Dec 29, 2011
I think that the Child Protective Services are dumb, the children might be the future but they are not important until they reach the age of 18, until then they are property not people.

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#45 Dec 30, 2011
NO CPS wrote:
I think that the Child Protective Services are dumb, the children might be the future but they are not important until they reach the age of 18, until then they are property not people.
I hope you're posting that crap just to get a rise out of someone.
NO CPS

Van Lear, KY

#46 Dec 31, 2011
gaytor_bayt wrote:
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I hope you're posting that crap just to get a rise out of someone.
I am man I don't honestly believe the crap I wrote
liberty_justice

Hagerhill, KY

#47 Dec 31, 2011
May the New Year of 2012 bring better futures for us all.
user

Logan, WV

#48 Jan 1, 2012
liberty_justice wrote:
<quoted text>It is sad that these days in Family court you can be charged just by an accusation from any person and when it concerns a child the person doing the acusing is always right even if there is no truth to the matter. Yes a court date is given with in 10 days after the children are removed but I want you to know that A parent has the right to refuse for the entry of a social worker or police officer of any kind without a court order that includes questioning your kids at school without your knowledge as well as in your own home or even to remove them just because they have a suspicion.
social services can interview your child anywhere without a court order. That is federal law. Social services has a limited time frame to tell the parent about the interview but does not have to tell what your child said. When someone reports a concern, and it meets criteria for any allegations, social services can do speak with your child and have to see the home

Since: Aug 11

Paintsville, KY

#49 Jan 1, 2012
user wrote:
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social services can interview your child anywhere without a court order. That is federal law. Social services has a limited time frame to tell the parent about the interview but does not have to tell what your child said. When someone reports a concern, and it meets criteria for any allegations, social services can do speak with your child and have to see the home
True. Social Services can and will come interview a child at their school and do it without anyone's permission. They don't need anyone's permission, but they do need to justify doing so. They can come and search a home if there is justification for doing so as well. The home owner can try and refuse entry, but it wouldn't be a good idea to do so. The best thing to do if C.S. is involved has already been stated. Cooperate, be polite and have unbiased witnesses to everything. If no wrongs have been committed, then theoretically nothing bad will happen. Just make sure there are witnesses....
falsely accussed

Betsy Layne, KY

#50 Jan 1, 2012
liberty_justice wrote:
<quoted text> It is sad that these days in Family court you can be charged just by an accusation from any person and when it concerns a child the person doing the acusing is always right even if there is no truth to the matter. Yes a court date is given with in 10 days after the children are removed but I want you to know that A parent has the right to refuse for the entry of a social worker or police officer of any kind without a court order that includes questioning your kids at school without your knowledge as well as in your own home or even to remove them just because they have a suspicion.
yes you can refuse them entry. there action plans are THEIR SUGGESTIONS not the law. contact the office of ky omsbudsman for ss policy. the only way a child can be removed is by court order by a judge after the worker visits and goes to court for the removal order or if the accompanying police officer see an imminant danger to the child such as drugged up person, needles,open pills ect.
just curious

Salyersville, KY

#51 Jan 1, 2012
liberty_justice wrote:
My story begins the day that I noticed that my unborn child had started to slow down in movements and then stopped noticeably moving all together and I had to go see my DR to find out what was going on. I am a good mother, I have wonderful children but I can honestly say that I have only really raised the two older ones, the youngest of three was not raised by myself but by my mother who decided after 13 yrs she could not handle the mental instability of the child cutting on themselves. The child had spoken with a friend at school and this friend told my child to do the self mutilation so that social services would get involved and my child would force my parents into an unwanted situation so that the child could move in with me which is what the child wanted at the time. Well I wanted this too more than anything I had been fighting for several years in order to bring my child home and never gave up some form of hope. So I have went to the DR and found out they are having to deliver the baby early.....they did an emergency C-Section and while I was in the hospital relatives volunteered to take care of the older children. Well the baby had a 50/50 chance of making it.....so the baby was flown to Lexington UK hospital and we stayed in Lexington while our relatives took care of the other children so that they would not have to miss any school. Well the child that is in question that came to live with me decided that it was a real treat and vacation not to have any responsibility to learn and be ready for when they were old enough to be out on their own. So the child got with other friends who have admitted to helping concock a story to help the child get out of my house and to move into the home with the relatives. This is where I will stop for today..........
Did you not tell the CPS worker this info?
just curious

Salyersville, KY

#52 Jan 1, 2012
omg wrote:
I have had problems with social services.I have a daughter that I love very much. I lost her to Grandparents due to my boyfriend. So I got rid of him, went to parenting classes.drug testes, and everything else they wanted.But because the grandparents had money. they kept finding reasons for me not to get her back..They don't want her now, because she is older and more of a problem...They have other kids and the kids are tired of my daughter being there.So they get money to keep her. But I get to keep her now,social services doesn't know about it..I let them have the money to keep there mouths shut and everyone be happy..Its a shame that grandparents are like that. But its a shame we have not got a better court system..I love my daughter.and will do what I have to ,to keep her..Good luck getting your children back..
Who was the worker?
just curious

Salyersville, KY

#53 Jan 1, 2012
You r right wrote:
It is sad, I know a mom who sells drugs like wild fire. The dad would do anything 2 have these kids strange thing is anytime her name is put on topic it magically disappears.

Report her to CPS. 18883518901

Since: Jan 12

Hagerhill, KY

#54 Jan 1, 2012
If you are the one I think you are I know what is going on. First step you need to do is make sure that 'the accused' is permanently removed from your home. Then you need to ensure that the person will never be around that property. Put an EPO on him. If you know it is false get everything together fast. You all are in for a fight of your lives. Never forget Children should come first. Their safety is the number one concern for CPS. Who was there when the action happened? that is the area you need to cover.
just curious

Salyersville, KY

#55 Jan 1, 2012
liberty_justice wrote:
How To Protect Your Family Against Social Workers

For each and every visit by a social worker:

1. You have every right to expect that the social worker who calls is honest, truthful, a person of integrity, well trained and properly supervised. In our experience, however, we can tell you that we have never yet come across a social worker who has all these qualities. It is important, therefore, that you assume the worst and act accordingly.

2. Be polite to your visiting social worker, but do not, under any circumstances, welcome him/her or treat him/her as a friend. Be polite and courteous, but maintain an air of formality. He/she is investigating an allegation that your children may be in danger and, like a police officer, he is expecting you to be as devious as any criminal. If you treat him/her as a friend, he/she will assume you are attempting to hide the violent/vicious side of your character. Also, if it's not convenient to talk to him/her at that moment, you have every right to ask him/her to call again 'at a more convenient time'.

3. As soon as they indicate that they are from a social services organization, ask for two pieces of identification. Don't settle for a business card; make this person identify themselves to your satisfaction. Insist on some form of picture identification, such as a driver's license. If they do show you a driver's license, copy the information down. If they refuse to identify themselves to your satisfaction, explain that you don't normally admit people into your home who won't provide proper identification, and politely ask them to leave. Contact your attorney.
I agree with this post, a worker should always be professional and treat you with respect but remember they are there to do a job. Workers should always have a state I D on them at the time they make face to face. Always ask questions if you have any a good Social Worker won't mind answering them.
just curious

Salyersville, KY

#56 Jan 1, 2012
liberty_justice wrote:
7. Take a notepad and pen and write down word for word what he/she says to you, and word for word what you say to him/her. At the end of the interview be sure that his/her signature is at the bottom of each page. In the past we have known social workers attempt to avoid this situation by telling the parent she is being obstructive and that her attitude will go against him/her. If this happens to you, write down word for word what the social worker says and immediately lodge a complaint with the director of social services for your area. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE WORD FOR WORD NOTES OF ALL INTERVIEWS - whether they occur in your home or on social services premises.

8. If the social worker wants to look around your home (they almost always will), allow them to do so. You may, at this point, consider taking pictures or video of the rooms they inspect to show exactly what they looked like at the time of the visit. If you can get the social worker in the picture, so much the better. A camera that puts a time and date stamp on the picture is a plus.

9. Whatever you do, do not rely solely upon the use of a video camera or tape recorder. Always insist upon writing word for word notes. This way you send some very clear messages to the social worker and his superiors. They messages are that:
a. You intend to be in control of every interview conducted.
b. You are not going to enter into any small talk (that may later be misquoted or misinterpreted).
c. You are not the sort of person they can easily entrap or 'railroad', and
d. You are going to tie them down to hours of work each time they interview you, so unless they have some serious allegations against you, they won't want to bother you again.
Again this is a great article. A worker should always conduct a walkthrough when in the home. Basically looking for safety hazards such as exposed wiring, fire hazards, smoke detectors, medications, and guns. Always ensure guns and medications are locked up out of the Childrens reach. Also keep cleaning materials put up so younger children can't get into it.
just curious

Salyersville, KY

#57 Jan 1, 2012
liberty_justice wrote:
10. At the end of the interview, tell the social worker that future visits (if any) will need to be scheduled in advance. Scheduling the visits prevents the social worker from showing up unannounced, gives you some control over the interviews, and allows you time to prepare yourself and your home for their inspection.

11. If at all possible, have a 'friend' in attendance at each interview. Ideally, your friend should not be the next-door neighbor or a relative (they might be tempted to lie in your support). In court the 'friend' most likely to be believed could be your pastor, your attorney, an off duty Justice of the Peace, or somebody similar.
Sorry I don't agree with number 10. I want to see how a family lives on a daily basis. I do agree if it makes a family feel better than allow a witness to be there. Always ensure the worker gives you a DPP 154 and a DPP 155. The 154 is if you feel the worker is bias and treating you unfair in any way. The 155 is once the investigation is over and you don't agree with the dings you can also feel out the back and mail it to Frankfort. I hope this helps those with questions feel free if you have any others. Please remember there is no such thing as a perfect worker but they are those who do try. Thank you for the time.

Since: Jan 12

Hagerhill, KY

#58 Jan 1, 2012
Yes just curious. But if the social worker aka state representative followed proecedure they would have found that the teenager was definately liying. the worker only got the childs statement. And wont allow anyone to speak to the child. the child is already being wrestled with between two set of parents. (really messy). The social worker is REQUIRED to investigate all aspects of the 'Victim' before going for a trial.

Since: Jan 12

Hagerhill, KY

#59 Jan 1, 2012
just curious wrote:
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Sorry I don't agree with number 10. I want to see how a family lives on a daily basis. I do agree if it makes a family feel better than allow a witness to be there. Always ensure the worker gives you a DPP 154 and a DPP 155. The 154 is if you feel the worker is bias and treating you unfair in any way. The 155 is once the investigation is over and you don't agree with the dings you can also feel out the back and mail it to Frankfort. I hope this helps those with questions feel free if you have any others. Please remember there is no such thing as a perfect worker but they are those who do try. Thank you for the time.
I agree with that very much. Liberty should have a law-enforcement or pastor of a church with her/him at any visitations or interviews.
liberty_justice

Hagerhill, KY

#60 Jan 1, 2012
To put together a kit and keep it by your door collect the following
1. A small camcorder at Walmart for $20
2. Memory cards SD a 2 pack of 4GB for $16
3. Digital Voice recorders run from $29 up to $59 the highest price one has Memory card capability at Walmart.
4. Case of cheap black pens
5. Three to Four notebooks
6. A copy of your Parental Rights
7. A copy of your Bill of Rights
8. A copy of your Constitutional Rights
9. A copy of your State Constitutional Rights
10. A list of phone numbers of witnesses available to come when your house is being visited.

Since: Jan 12

Hagerhill, KY

#61 Jan 1, 2012
ALWAYS make sure you have a witness. and remember social workers on the most part want to help. Do not let them in unless there is a witness or warrant. THAT IS LAW! I say good luck with you and your children. If the social worker does not wish to respect being recorded or a witness there then they are out to screw you. you can get them in civil court. NEVER sign anything unless you know what it is and about. You do then sign under duress on visitation or even a case plan. Be careful on the case plans that can be made. One can be made WHILE THEY ARE IN THE HOME. Again good luck with the case and the children. Also when in court remember that YOU are in charge of your side of the case NOT YOUR LAWYER. Your lawyer is there to make legal your wishes and complaints and deals you wish to make with the cabinet. I have seen so many people get screwed over because their lawyer wont listen to them. AND ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO EVRYTHING!

Since: Jan 12

Hagerhill, KY

#62 Jan 1, 2012
just curious wrote:
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Did you not tell the CPS worker this info?
I have tried to share this information with many workers that I have talked to and no one wants to listen. They have not even bothered to look at the past history and mental state of the child that has made the acusation they are just rolling with what she has already told them and it hurts that the child gets on the bus for school and other friends hear of how much I am hated and all that I have ever done to this child is try the best that I could to see what I could do to help and give it my best shot. I am feeling like I have failed with this child but still have not given up hope on them and probably never will...Because as a mom that is what we do never give up no matter how much we might want to because it hurts so badly so we cry and then get back up after falling off the path and try to go at it again and again till we die trying on our death bed and just hope that when we leave this world that we have done the best that we could do to prepare our children to continue on when we are gone and do well to teach those to come later even after they are gone themselves.

Since: Jan 12

Hagerhill, KY

#63 Jan 1, 2012
user wrote:
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social services can interview your child anywhere without a court order. That is federal law. Social services has a limited time frame to tell the parent about the interview but does not have to tell what your child said. When someone reports a concern, and it meets criteria for any allegations, social services can do speak with your child and have to see the home
This is also an invasion of privacy and against your constitutional rights and the rights of your child.

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