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After decades of overcrowded roads, long commutes and now the increasing costs of gasoline and a slowing economy, Honolulu has a new opportunity to build a rapid transit system, supported by $900 million in ...
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Kekaha, HI

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Kailua Resident wrote:
<quoted text>Table 2.2 http://www.honolulutraffic.com/FFR.pdf
Cost for full route in todays costs = 5.1 bill
-No. You are wrong again Kailua Resident.

The full route cost is $6.804 BILLION in Year of Expenditure (YOE) dollars (WITHOUT FINANCE CHARGES INCLUDED!! It reads that in the small print at the bottom of table 2-2)

-It is $5.196 BILLION in 2006 dollars on the full route.(WITHOUT FINANCE CHARGES INCLUDED!! It reads that in the small print at the bottom of table 2-2)

The 20-mile route cost is $5.449 BILLION in Year of Expenditure (YOE) dollars (WITHOUT FINANCE CHARGES INCLUDED!! It reads that in the small print at the bottom of table 2-2)

-It is $4.197 BILLION in 2006 dollars on the 20 mile route.(WITHOUT FINANCE CHARGES INCLUDED!! It reads that in the small print at the bottom of table 2-2)
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Keith Haugen wrote:
You must wonder where in the world, Willie is coming from if he thinks that Sen. Barack Obama would be worse than George W. Bush.
Most Americans believe that anyone is better than Bush.
But then, we're told that on the Mainland, TWO of 10 Americans still support Bush, his illegal and immoral war, and what he has done to us, our country, our freedoms and rights, and our position in the world order.
The same two of 10 probably support Osama bin Laden.
What exactly has Bush done to our freedoms and rights, Keith Haugen? What is it that before Bush you, personally Keith Haugen could do and had a right that you cannot do today or a right taken away?
Toursbytrain

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So whats the traffic solution? All you folks who oppose rail have no alternative solution. Basically telling all the commuters from west Oahu to suck wind and stay stuck in traffic for 2 plus hours a day.
Toursbytrain

Wahiawa, HI

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Liberals r Idiots wrote:
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FYI, there has not been one succesful terorist attack since September 11, 2001 and the economy has been the great for the last 7 years despite the attack. If O(bum)a becomes president there will be terrorist attack on U.S. land within his first term. That is why the terrorist like O(bum)a and hopes he wins, so they can start terrorizing on U.S. lands.
Actually ONLY YOUR HERO BUSH HAD A TERROSIST ATTACK ON HIS WATCH. PANTS DOWN DUMB REPUBLICANS.
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Toursbytrain wrote:
So whats the traffic solution? All you folks who oppose rail have no alternative solution. Basically telling all the commuters from west Oahu to suck wind and stay stuck in traffic for 2 plus hours a day.
Its been said a dozen, dozen times. Your just not paying attention or refuse to hear it.

The estimated annual cost of running the train, a single 20 mile strip or track... is the same cost as running the entire public transportation system we already have that coveres the entire 600 square miles of the island with 525 buses.

what part of that math problem is difficult for you ?

Double the bus and you can have 24/7 service island wide every 10 minutes. For a fraction more everyone can ride for free.(The city subsidy of the bus already pays for most of it. The amount recouped by passengers purchasing passes is minimal compared to The actual expense to run it)
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Toursbytrain wrote:
<quoted text>Actually ONLY YOUR HERO BUSH HAD A TERROSIST ATTACK ON HIS WATCH. PANTS DOWN DUMB REPUBLICANS.
Actually... you seem to have conveniently forgotten your history you revisionist liberal.
http://www.adl.org/learn/jttf/wtcb_jttf.asp
"On Friday, February 26, 1993, a massive explosion occurred in the public parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City."

Your buddy Bill Clinton was president. HE WAS THE FIRST to let the country get attacked on our own soil.

The attack failed because they underestimated the strength of the building and the amount of explosives needed. Over 1,000 people were injured.

why are your pants down again ???
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Actually... you seem to have conveniently forgotten your history you revisionist liberal.
http://www.adl.org/learn/jttf/wtcb_jttf.asp
"On Friday, February 26, 1993, a massive explosion occurred in the public parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City."
Your buddy Bill Clinton was president. HE WAS THE FIRST to let the country get attacked on our own soil.
The attack failed because they underestimated the strength of the building and the amount of explosives needed. Over 1,000 people were injured.
why are your pants down again ???
Not too mention the USS Cole. Did we ever find those guys? Is the media so concerned with that? The whole agenda is run on hate and it is enough already. same ole, same ole.
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True, Bush ignored all the warnings about an attack. he failed to protect America. McPain lacks any experience in terrorism. he is still refighting the failed Vietnam war. Irrelevant. I feel safer with Oba,ma. In fact, I am not scared at all about the rag-tag tiny army of Osama. Bush let Osama get away because he needed to exaggerate to threat to carry off his illegal, immoral war on iraq. Bush ruled by fear and got away with a lot. he manaipualted people using fear and we are all paying for it now.
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Jun 24, 2008
 
alice wrote:
True, Bush ignored all the warnings about an attack. he failed to protect America. McPain lacks any experience in terrorism. he is still refighting the failed Vietnam war. Irrelevant. I feel safer with Oba,ma. In fact, I am not scared at all about the rag-tag tiny army of Osama. Bush let Osama get away because he needed to exaggerate to threat to carry off his illegal, immoral war on iraq. Bush ruled by fear and got away with a lot. he manaipualted people using fear and we are all paying for it now.
Most of your post we tend to agree this time however while I agree like usual we dont have much of a choice as I am odds with a lot of McCains views. This guy Obama really does take the cake I mean have you really listened to him Dont forget to look at his voting record like I said we disagree this time because I find this guy to be truly scary and for the life of me cannot figure out how the democratic party made of all people this guy their nominee Heaven help us all if this guy is elected i mean you thought Bush was bad...just my thoughts
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Alan, you are one of my favorite people on here. You are gentle, sensitive and intelligent. I meet too few like you.

I just think Obama is less dangerous than McPain. And, oddly, McPain has little or no relevant experience when it comes to terrorism. We live in a new age and MCPain seems stuck in Vietnam, another era with few parallels to today. He is a flip-flopper as well...of the worst dishonest kind. There is nothing wrong with changing position with new information available. That is not why he keeps changing his positions though.
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Jun 24, 2008
 
You are such aracist Alice! you do not even deserve to live in Hawaii!
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Jun 25, 2008
 
Don't blame Alice, she is only 18. Blame her parents.
They filled her head with the racist stuff, the hate and the democrat is God complex.

somehow she thinks that obama has experience with terrorists ? oh wait... he is a local boy yea ? probably got his experience from getting his butt kicked in high school here by the tough guy 20 vs 1 fights. That might qualify.
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Jun 25, 2008
 
alice wrote:
Alan, you are one of my favorite people on here. You are gentle, sensitive and intelligent. I meet too few like you.
I just think Obama is less dangerous than McPain. And, oddly, McPain has little or no relevant experience when it comes to terrorism. We live in a new age and MCPain seems stuck in Vietnam, another era with few parallels to today. He is a flip-flopper as well...of the worst dishonest kind. There is nothing wrong with changing position with new information available. That is not why he keeps changing his positions though.
What the heck do you meanby McPain anyway? I don't get it. McCain has military experience and that is waht it is going to take to confront terrorists, not flowers and talks. Be tough, act tough, do not back down, say what you mean, and mean what you say. They want to kill ALL of us. They do not care what party you are or your policies, they understand aggression, fear, and death. They are a people that wear no uniform and fight dirty, how do you suppose we fight them? Please do not regurgitate Liberal talking points. I really want to kknow what you think should be done, party preference aside.

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Honolulu, HI

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Jun 25, 2008
 
You can fight them by removing the reason why they fight or offering an alternative.

Physically going after all of them seldom works and the risks and liabilities far outweigh the gains in most cases. I'm not saying that the military solution should not be an option, but it is clearly insufficient; therefore military experience isn't enough (though I agree very important).

Fighting people without uniforms with unconventional tactics has proven disastrous many times: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Peru, Nicaragua, Indonesia, Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, Finland, Chechnya, etc. So why repeat the failed strategy? When has it worked?

Take a page from the Brits and turn the occupation into something with a larger social mission, though I realize that's difficult now due to the initial mismanagement. And paying the guys to quit like with the Mehdi army seemed to have worked well.

And for the tiny, tiny minority who are fringe lunatics fighting for an ideal and to kill Americans just because they are Americans, well, there will always be those and yeah, go after them hard.
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Jun 25, 2008
 
Anybody but Bush wrote:
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How can we change for the worse when we're clearly a rock bottom?
Obama or McCain are huge improvements over "Dubya" and his gang of thugs.
it's more like "Dumbya"
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Jun 25, 2008
 
Toursbytrain wrote:
So whats the traffic solution? All you folks who oppose rail have no alternative solution. Basically telling all the commuters from west Oahu to suck wind and stay stuck in traffic for 2 plus hours a day.
I remember Frank Fasi wanted a rail system a long time ago...

You all know it: Fasi Area Rapid Transit better known as FART!
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Jun 25, 2008
 
Kirkland wrote:
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What exactly has Bush done to our freedoms and rights, Keith Haugen? What is it that before Bush you, personally Keith Haugen could do and had a right that you cannot do today or a right taken away?
Haugen is an anti-freedom zealot. He believes that his point of view is the only one that matters, and anyone disagreeing is only worthy of demonizing.
Have you ever read any of his diatribes on smoking?
And he does exactly the same thing he accuses Bush of.
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Jun 26, 2008
 
Lork wrote:
You can fight them by removing the reason why they fight or offering an alternative.
Physically going after all of them seldom works and the risks and liabilities far outweigh the gains in most cases. I'm not saying that the military solution should not be an option, but it is clearly insufficient; therefore military experience isn't enough (though I agree very important).
Fighting people without uniforms with unconventional tactics has proven disastrous many times: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Peru, Nicaragua, Indonesia, Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, Finland, Chechnya, etc. So why repeat the failed strategy? When has it worked?
Take a page from the Brits and turn the occupation into something with a larger social mission, though I realize that's difficult now due to the initial mismanagement. And paying the guys to quit like with the Mehdi army seemed to have worked well.
And for the tiny, tiny minority who are fringe lunatics fighting for an ideal and to kill Americans just because they are Americans, well, there will always be those and yeah, go after them hard.
I give you kudos for coming up with a solution, but agree with your assessment that it is too late to do a social-like solution. I do, however, disagree with you on it being a tiny, tiny minority of people hell bent on kiling us. They hate us and everything we stand for. when I say they, I do not mean the people of Iraq, it is the people killing our guys and anyone who helps our guys that I am referring to. I think we should have went in there will full force and and maintained it to show we mean business. All this putting around with what the general public would think of us (the military) means nothing in the long run when we face another attack on our civillians. And trust me, it will happen. These guys are watching us and know the will of some Americans are shallow and weak and not in it to win it or for the long haul. That's why history WILL repeat itself, mark my words.

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