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#1 May 19, 2010
Has anyone been keeping up with the current situation brewing in Metropolis, Ill? I have a friend that works at the plant and tells me that it is a very real possibility that the company is trying to push union employees to strike. Their contract is up sometime in June and the company is wanting to cut the employees benefits, especially their medical coverage, despite the fact that the nuclear industry has some of the highest cancer rates of any industry. Just look at what happened at USEC and why they had to fight to get compensation from the government. These employees have been fighting to keep their jobs and benefits. Many of them have voiced concerns over safety issues in the plant and the NRC recently cited Honeywell for not doing everything that they are supposed to be doing. Many union employees showed up at this meeting to voice their concerns. A very good article on this meeting can be found in the West Ky Star. I am concerned as many people living close to the plant that if a strike or lockout happens, incompentent management will be left to direct replacement
(scab labor)workers to run a facility that needs the skill and experience that only the current workforce provides. We don't need another Three Mile Island. This is a Union community, with many fine men and women making a good living thanks to union labor. Please sound off and support these hard working people in their fight to save their jobs and keep Southern Ill. and Western Ky. safe from a disaster.

Since: May 10

Paducah, KY

#2 May 21, 2010
Typical union propaganda. You complain about safety when your safety is in your hands. The plants performance is in your hands since you are the operators. Why don't you take pride in your jobs and your company while you still have that opportunity. If you leave it to chance and they do bring in replacement workers you may never go back to work. Union workers turn the valves and push the buttons, so how can you blame management when problems occur? You have created your environment by doing the bare minimum. So don't cry now if you go on strike. Strikers are pathetic. I'm sure you will have those stupid rat costumes on like the fools over at Chik Fil A. There used to be a few good employees out there at Honeywell but they have allowed the militant faction to take over the union. Now they are all the same: whiners.
HDOC

Providence, KY

#3 May 21, 2010
@ extra cheese here we ago again one of those that eats that expensive cheese. it is apparent you are a company person because the first thing you say is union propaganda. You are right about one thing and that is the operators control plant performance and safety but on the contrary to your not knowing jackshit about who controls the money and the rate at which hazards get fixed within a large corporation let me enlighten you.There are procedures as well as safety stops to follow but at the end of the day when the safety manager and the production manager tell you they have overriden noted and deem the unit safe to run then you have to start up and run or face disciplinary actions up to and include firing.
To your remark about taking pride in to the company that affords union workers a place to work.Again a company man remark because if you were not you would understand that the hourly workers of these corporation live in the area in which they work therefore making it more than pride to take in their jobs it is more of there life depends on these jobs for supporting their families and lives so why would they not take pride?
Next, comment on use to be good employees at Honeywell with you being company oriented I am going to say that you are refering to the company employees like the nine supervisors that have left within the last year and the senior supervisors that have been forced out because they got along with the union and corporate did not like that or perhaps the lates case senior H.R. employee because of his tactics.
Now to touch on your militant faction remark.Again you being a company man thinking on a corporate level let us be honest with one another every human has a militant side you being working for a corporation looking at making the company money to increase your personal wealth and recieving a bonus because you have had some sort of glamorus money saving idea off the backs of an hourly worker or better yet you can cut you buddies job out across the desk from you and whoa you are hero in the companies eyes.
What this translates into is corporat greed at the cost of everyday workers and yes this includes you too extra cheese.So the next time you consider cutting the throats of union workers just remember once there are no more hourly workers for a corporation and no more cuts of fat as you would say. Where will the knife land next.
Honeywell Manager

Providence, KY

#4 May 21, 2010
There seems to be a contradiction with Honeywell and how they treat their employees any more. Remember when they said that their people where their most valuable asset? Those days seem to be past. While Honeywell is buying companies for $140 million+ and sending out rave reviews of all their success, we are still waiting for some type of pay raise ... See Morethis year.

I guess Mr. Cote and his cronies will get a bonus for screwing the workers again. Last year it was a 4% pay cut before taxes on our 401k match, and then the 3 weeks unpaid furlough to quickly destroy the chance of getting ahead in 2009 with the miserable pay raises dished out then. So do you think the pay raise this year (if given) will be retro (fat chance)?

What makes me upset the most, is the attitude my mid level management that uses the economy to promote fear for our jobs. "At least we have a job".... and "what about the other companies"? Comparing us with other companies as an excuse to screw us, is like saying we should pay more taxes because Canadians do.

Yes we can find other jobs, but I'd love to see a CEO that not only pays lip service to "caring about empolyees", but stands behind it. I dont' think I'll be attending anymore town meetings until Honeywell does the right thing for the people that really make the company what it is today.

Regards,
Just another employee feeling a bit screwed....
Honeywell Manager

Providence, KY

#5 May 21, 2010
Quote from The Wall Street Journal:

“Early in the past decade, when its sales fell 11% in two years, Honeywell International Inc. laid off 31,000 employees, one-fourth of its work force, canceled plans for new products and scaled back its global-expansion goals. Those actions "decimated our industrial base," Honeywell Chief Executive David Cote recently told the company's shareholders. During the recent recession, Honeywell took a different tack. The company's sales fell 15% last year, and its profits shrank 23%, but the diversified manufacturer used furloughs and benefit-cuts to limit layoffs to 6,000 employees, about 5% of its work force.”
Yes, but this time you have “decimated” 100% of the work forces’ productivity and morale levels, by 50%. Do the math! Guess which is worse? Here’s a hint: 25% layoffs versus 100% disgruntled and demoralized employees.
And you have neglected to mention to the shareholders, the salary cuts and deferred raises and all of the other back-stabbing measures you have “executed” to demoralize the employees for a long time to come, just to realize short term gains, irrespective of long term pains! And that you extended salary cuts and imposed the furlough when everything had already improved. And that perhaps the most skilled 25% of your work force would really like a layoff package this time, but that you are too cheap to offer packages, as they will cut into those bogus short term gains being bled from the employees (your lifeline). And that the 5% number is very deceiving, when all of the layoffs of skilled employees are in NA, and are being offset by all of the hiring of trainees offshore. We know that neither you nor the shareholders care to know any of those inconvenient truths. Nice! If you’re happy, and the shareholders are happy, what else can anyone else ask for? What…are…you…doing---Dave?
uh oh

Ashburn, VA

#6 May 21, 2010
I hate to tell you Honeywell workers, but this is stinking like something i smelled in past years. I knew someone who had a union based plant job. He was forced to strike a few times. then he was forced to take a pay cut. then another. then they went bankrupt and were bought out by someone. worked six more years and the place closed. No insurance benefits, min wage job, no anything for two long years while he retrained. you better think about finding another place to work because this place will be gone in a few years too. wait and see. be glad you have a job and just do it or pay the consequences. i have known several people who work at honeywell over the years. they all think they are too good for anything but the best. i heard one guy say he didn't want to admit where he lived because his house wasn't up to honeywell peoples standards. come down off of that high place you are perched and be happy you are working at all.
HDOC

Providence, KY

#7 May 21, 2010
Hello uh oh,
Let me inform you on what little you do not know about Honeywell.Honeywell is multi billion dollar company world wide it has it's fingers in everything. The workers are not sitting on a perch the management team maybe the workers are glad that they have jobs that support their families. However,you and nobody else can speak for them unless you know what tactics they are facing from this large corporation.
Your theroy on this company drying up and going away is so far from the truth. The is Honeywell's safety deposite.This is the only company in the USA that converts raw uranium.Therfore it does not fall into the normal industrialized company and the US Gov. will not depend on a foreign company to process raw uranium.
Let see now, the only thing stinking is that you know/knew several Honeywell employees and have such an absurd comment to say that the workers only expect the best. This tells me you are a long way from knowing Honeywell or knowing a worker from Honeywell or what you did know who you did know you have forgotten.
HDOC

Providence, KY

#8 May 21, 2010
WILMINGTON, USA: Honeywell and DuPont today announced a manufacturing joint venture to produce a new refrigerant for use in automotive air conditioning systems.
The new refrigerant has 99.7 per cent lower global warming potential (GWP) than the current refrigerant.
Under the agreement, DuPont and Honeywell will share financial and technological resources with the intent to jointly design, construct and operate a world-scale manufacturing facility for the new refrigerant, known as HFO-1234yf, said a press release.
The product meets European Union regulatory requirements for lower GWP refrigerants for automobile air conditioning systems. DuPont and Honeywell developed the product jointly but will market and sell it separately.
“Through this manufacturing partnership, Honeywell and DuPont will deliver to the automobile industry this environmentally preferable solution that meets both operational and regulatory requirements. Globally, consumers will benefit from this new technology, which reduces greenhouse gas emissions,” said Terrence Hahn, vice president and general manager for Honeywell’s Fluorine Products business.
He added that this complements Honeywell’s significant energy efficiency and environmental solutions portfolio, which is positioned to deliver efficiency advantages to a wide array of industries while benefiting the environment.
“The new refrigerant enables the automotive industry to reduce the environmental footprint of vehicles at significantly lower cost than alternatives,” said Gary W. Spitzer, president – DuPont Chemicals and Fluoroproducts.
He added by working together with Honeywell, DuPont is confident they have the winning combination to enable the industry to realize environmental benefits sooner. DuPont’s role in the introduction of HFO-1234yf is another great example of the innovation DuPont has brought to the automotive industry for nearly a century.
This venture follows an earlier joint development agreement under which the two companies developed the product. The joint venture announced today is designed to provide DuPont and Honeywell with a world-class source of supply to meet the growing demand faster than would be possible through either company’s individual efforts.
©CyberMedia News
uh oh

Ashburn, VA

#9 May 21, 2010
I still say i am right about Honeywell drying up and going away. The rumblings i have heard in the past several years are finally coming to pass. I am older and believe me, i have lived long enough to see and know what comes to fruition. Honeywell employees ARE people who think they have to "Put on airs" because they are spoiled with those high paying jobs and benefits. Never fool yourself into thinking that they can't move the plant somewhere else. I have heard that before when others were on the "hot seat" at Tennessee plants (for example) and they moved the plant anyway. Just to another area. Not necessarily oversea's.
I do have to correct one thing i said. I know maybe ten people out of 100 out there who aren't spoiled rotten snobs who want more and more and more. It is NEVER going to be enough. I wish i was wrong, I know i'm not. I hate that the union may "Make" the employees strike though. Don't insult my knowledge of facts by saying i am so wrong about a lot of stuff. Don't you ever watch the news?
Lefty Lucee Righty Tighty

Ashburn, VA

#10 May 26, 2010
This is interesting...
Bengalsfan

Paducah, KY

#11 May 31, 2010
It seems to be a no win situation out there. From what I've gathered the company is in no way willing to negotiate and the union body is standing together. I have close friends that work there on both sides of the argument. I fear before the year 2010 is out they will both be out of a job. It seems that the problems don't come from onsite management, they are simply pawns in the game. They are the ones being told to try to bully a group of people that in all liklihood would contract cancer before their days on this earth are over. Corporate greed is a terrible thing. It forces local management to do things they know are wrong and forces hard working blue collar people out of jobs. I've got a close friend that works in the maintenance department out there. He has briefly told me about numerous safety violations but the most damaging ones are the environmental ones. He isnt some radical either. He is well thought of by many people in Paducah as well as Metropolis. But he is already planning life after Honeywell. He is already checking out what the rewards are for a whistle blower. I heard it straight out of his mouth. He said "If we don't have jobs there then no one is going to have a job there." I don't know if I blame him or not.
Lefty Lucee Righty Tighty

Ashburn, VA

#12 Jun 1, 2010
Sounds like someone is thinking ahead. Believe me, they might as well look into whistle blowing. When a thing like a plant closing is looming, you won't have any friends anymore... if you know what i mean. It's dog eat dog. All you have left after one year are stories about who has cancer, who comitted suicide, who got divorced over the job situation, who has been laid off from the latest job three times this year. It's really an awful situation. I hope you guys who work there are planning ahead. That severance pay and all the other so called benefits you cash out when you lose your jobs won't last that long. It's a hard road on a good day!
Blue Collar

Metropolis, IL

#13 Jun 1, 2010
To uh oh: boy are you misinformed, and you show it with your comments. Your comment about "10 out of a 100 out there..." proves my point. You don't even have a clue how many jobs there are at the facility. You crack me up. Do yourself, and your credibility a favor and do some research before your next ridiculous post of vomit.

And to those thinking whistle-blowing is advantageous, think again. HoneyHELL is a multinational, multi-billion dollar corporation.The EPA and the NRC have long been in Honeywell's back pocket. Even if the Feds were to take them to court (unlikely in the long-run) it would still merely be pocket change to Honeywell, simply a cost of doing business in this type of industry. That plant will be there for years and years to come. There are plenty of expansions to come, and lots of money to be made (for the company that is). The only real question is this: Will Honeywell be held accountable to the employees that give their lives and their health to the company, making them billions of dollars? Or will we be cast aside, and replaced with minimally paid, inexperienced scabs? If the good paying jobs go, so do all of the purchases that we make in the community: cars, tractors, homes, etc
Tired Out

Martin, TN

#14 Jun 1, 2010
New hires in Union City Tennessee Goodyear plant are at $13/hour, no benefits. You are playing with fire, in a global marketplace, in the deepest recession since the depression.

Tread lightly.
Blue Collar

Metropolis, IL

#15 Jun 1, 2010
Honeywell CEO Dave Cote:
5 yr compensation =$63.60 million
Personal insurance package = > $60,000/year

Yep, he feels our pain.....
Fap Fap Fap

Metropolis, IL

#16 Jun 1, 2010
Honeywell philosophy = maximum corporate greed must be satisfied at any cost.
Uh Oh

Ashburn, VA

#17 Jun 2, 2010
Blue Collar wrote:
To uh oh: boy are you misinformed, and you show it with your comments. Your comment about "10 out of a 100 out there..." proves my point. You don't even have a clue how many jobs there are at the facility. You crack me up. Do yourself, and your credibility a favor and do some research before your next ridiculous post of vomit.
And to those thinking whistle-blowing is advantageous, think again. HoneyHELL is a multinational, multi-billion dollar corporation.The EPA and the NRC have long been in Honeywell's back pocket. Even if the Feds were to take them to court (unlikely in the long-run) it would still merely be pocket change to Honeywell, simply a cost of doing business in this type of industry. That plant will be there for years and years to come. There are plenty of expansions to come, and lots of money to be made (for the company that is). The only real question is this: Will Honeywell be held accountable to the employees that give their lives and their health to the company, making them billions of dollars? Or will we be cast aside, and replaced with minimally paid, inexperienced scabs? If the good paying jobs go, so do all of the purchases that we make in the community: cars, tractors, homes, etc
Seems i touched a nerve with you there. If i was so far off base, you wouldn't have even graced me with an acknowledgement.
I think i need to correct a misunderstanding. I meant of the 100 employees i could say i know a little bit about. I KNOW i am right. It is so sickening how the ones i am talking about get so proud of how many cars they own, how large of a house they live in, etc...and they measure the type of human being they are as to what the value is of those things. Several years ago, i knew a man who worked there who predicted that this very thing was going to happen. He talked about the health insurance values becoming of less worth. He was right. He is retired now i think. Your smart overtone to your post kind of made my skin crawl. The snooty attitude coming out from behind your words. I don't care if you want to "own" what i said or not. I know i am right. And, for the few who truly don't act this way, i feel empathy for them, i know this plant will at the very least move. It's been coming for years.It may not come now, but it's not going to get anywhere close to what it uses to be.
Blue Collar

Metropolis, IL

#18 Jun 2, 2010
Uh Oh, you are obviously a misguided, under-endowed, underachiever who lashes out at anyone that has been fortunate enough to be successful. And as far as your other problem, there are products for that too now days. Just ask "Bob", he's "livin' large". You can only dream of the day you'd be talented enough to get under my skin.
And you definitely do not have even the simplest understanding of economics. Simple facts, good paying jobs go = loss of big purchases. This does not imply any connotation of self worth. This is a statement of economics. If hundreds of people that currently make a good living suddenly lose that income, they stop spending money.
Uh Oh

Ashburn, VA

#19 Jun 2, 2010
Blue Collar wrote:
Uh Oh, you are obviously a misguided, under-endowed, underachiever who lashes out at anyone that has been fortunate enough to be successful. And as far as your other problem, there are products for that too now days. Just ask "Bob", he's "livin' large". You can only dream of the day you'd be talented enough to get under my skin.
And you definitely do not have even the simplest understanding of economics. Simple facts, good paying jobs go = loss of big purchases. This does not imply any connotation of self worth. This is a statement of economics. If hundreds of people that currently make a good living suddenly lose that income, they stop spending money.
Hey clueless,I am so poor that me and my spouse made 92,000.00 last year....will be a bit more this year. We own two houses. One is brand new. I still know how snobby most everyone is out there, and, i do believe i was under your skin from the start. Hehehe. Those workers sure look like its hot out there today who are carrying those signs. I hate that...really.
Uh Oh

Ashburn, VA

#20 Jun 2, 2010
Tired Out wrote:
New hires in Union City Tennessee Goodyear plant are at $13/hour, no benefits. You are playing with fire, in a global marketplace, in the deepest recession since the depression.
Tread lightly.
Great wisdom for people who would humble themselves, to live by. I know everyone isn't such a financial hog. I feel for the ones who aren't. they will suffer right along with the ones who deserve it.

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