Sandy Hook Hoax?


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#384 Jan 14, 2013
So lets get all of our ducks in a row...

The majority in the town of Newtown would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The staff at Sandy Hook Elementary would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The parents of the children of Sandy Hook Elementary would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The entire police force would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The medical examiners would have to be a part of this conspiracy

The morticians would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The pastors/priests/rabbi's would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The clean up crew would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

The majority of local and national media would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

A faction of our National Government would have to be a part of this conspiracy.

All of these people would have to KNOW that this was all a farce or at the least have an inkling of questionable investigating going on.

Yet not ONE of the seemingly hundreds of co-conspirators have come forward to, say the NRA, share these concerns. Not ONE... That is unless the NRA is also part of this conspiracy also...

Not ONE.

No instead the leading charge with much of the original thoughts of this conspiracy theory is over 1000 miles away teaching communications in a second rate Florida University.

Yep you've convinced me...we do need to address mental health in this country.

Brownsville, TN

#385 Jan 14, 2013
Florida's Concealed Carry demand ......

For the past several months our Division has been dealing with a significant increase in the number of incoming concealed weapon license applications. In fact, the demand for concealed weapon licenses is greater now than it has ever been in the 21-year history of the concealed weapon licensing program.

For about the past year, we have been issuing an average of 2,000 concealed weapon licenses weekly.

(Name Omitted)

Compliance Officer
Division of Licensing
Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services

Brownsville, TN

#386 Jan 14, 2013
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around laws. Plato
Lord Help Us

Murfreesboro, TN

#387 Jan 14, 2013
Off topic slightly, but it would be nice if the Miss America Organization would stop asking those women questions that require forethought.

The winner's response to whether she thought armed officers should be in schools was, "We don't need to fight violence with violence ... we need to educate people how to use guns safely."

What an idiot ... I think Adam Lanza would have been very educated on how to use his gun, whichever one he may have used. I wonder what this bimbo would do if a gunman walked up to her and pointed his/her weapon at her?

I have found that the best way to fight violence is with violence. Unfortunately, we live in that kind of world.

Lyndonville, VT

#388 Jan 14, 2013
god damn crisis actors -_- as time goes on... the truth will keep coming out.
I feel the same

Paducah, KY

#389 Jan 14, 2013
I felt like a complete idiot after I re-watched footage about the unbelievable that has literally turned into THE most unbelievable bs I have ever seen.
It was a hoax. And no, I am not a troll.

Brownsville, TN

#390 Jan 14, 2013
I Know You Believe You Understand What You Think I Said..
However, I'm Not Sure You Realize
What I Think You Heard Is Not What I Meant.

Since: Nov 12

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#391 Jan 14, 2013
I did a bit of research, because more than anything I'd like this to be fake. Here are my conclusions:

Website dates: This is easily explained by the fact that when you create a file, the date becomes encoded in the file. If you edit a file, as you would when using templates, it retains the original file date. Thus, this is not solid evidence. There are 9/11 websites and YouTube videos that date back to 1999... Before YouTube was launched.

Weapons used: There are conflicting reports on what weapons are used and where they are found. Two factors play heavily into this. One is that in any breaking story, news sources rush information out the door. In any breaking major story there are inconsistencies. The second is that, in relation to claims regarding the car's trunk, video footage clearly shows the gun in question is a shotgun.

Crisis Actors: There are several claims about the authenticity of identities of those involved and their motives. People respond in bizarre ways under stress. Some people laugh at funerals, some people smile for cameras, they can't help these things. These things only appear fishy to people because they want them to. Professional actors would not make these mistakes. Some people mention the little girl on Obama's lap, it is her sister. Some people mention the lawyer, but she only bears a passing resemblance. The medical examiner is just a weirdo, guess what, most people who stare at dead people for a living are.

Did I miss anything? Clearly none of this is irrefutable evidence...because I just refuted it. Honestly, if a hoax was this sloppy there would be a grainy YouTube video of governmet agents pulling it off any day now. Sadly, this happened more or less the way the news described it. Now do your selves a favor and do your own research if you don't believe me...don't simply accept my word for it. If you find something that looks like evidence, you must search it thoroughly for credibility, and not simply accept it as fact. Sometimes a hoax is easier to digest than the truth, but that doesn't make it a fact. Report this post

Lord Help Us

Paducah, KY

#392 Jan 14, 2013
The only problem with your logic is, that there is no proof that it did happen.

I've actually stopped being upset about this at all. My mind is no longer wrapped around the horror of 20 children being murdered. Of course, the alternative is worse.

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#393 Jan 14, 2013
Correct, I didn't prove it happened. I disproved or discredited the "evidence" presented that it didn't happen. Unless you want to look at autopsy reports, which I will not when the official investigation is released, you'll have to ride the fence. I'm not going to prove the holocaust for you either, fyi. But bring up some more "proof" that it was a hoax and I'll help you understand why it's not credible. I implore you to do your own research instead of just taking mine or any other word on the matter...instead of aligning you opinions with videos. The highschool kids that put them together did lost of research the wrong way...and its easy to make a bad case for something. I could claim bigfoot did it, and then tell you to prove me wrong...but logic doesn't work that way fortunately.

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#394 Jan 14, 2013
The reason you're not upset though is because you're taking artificial comfort in thinking maybe it didn't happen. It's a coping mechanism, and I don't fault you in the least. Much like the smiles you see in those sad videos...the human body cannot help how it reacts under stress unless you're conditioned to deal with it. Sometimes people are actually conditioned the opposite invent hoaxes.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald
Lord Help Us

Paducah, KY

#395 Jan 14, 2013
Your quote applies to you as well, and I know all about defense mechanisms. It comforts you to believe it happened, so you don't have to face the reality that you are under the control of a corrupt government.

Like I said, in a court of law, it must be proven that something happened. You don't have to prove it didn't.

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#396 Jan 14, 2013
It sure does, and I know all about burden of proof. Time will tell, and I'll side with logic when it happens officially. I have no reason to believe the funeral was fake though, or any of the so called proof it was staged. The claim those events were staged requires more proof, since from what we can tell they did indeed happen. Go to Sandy Hook and comfort some grievers if you can't wait for the report, but all signs point to it did indeed happen.
Lord Help Us

Paducah, KY

#397 Jan 14, 2013
What signs, since they are there? I haven't seen a single one.

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#398 Jan 14, 2013
You're in denial.

Brownsville, TN

#399 Jan 15, 2013
“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

Brownsville, TN

#400 Jan 15, 2013
You are starting to see why exactly it is I just ignore a couple of these nutjobs. A police spokesman after HOURS of investigation made a statement " Two 9mm handguns were used a Glock and a Sig Sauer" NO WAY did a team of trained investigators (including FBI) confuse 9mm and .223 casings it is impossible! It's not like they went in looked around and made a statement, it was MANY HOURS of investigation by trained professionals and it wasn't "just a cop" but the Veteran police Spokesman "Lieutenant" I believe .

Some folks MUST do anything they can think of to make it appear (and keep them convinced as well) they're smarter than anyone and everyone else. That anyone who dare question what SHOULD be questioned is "nuts" or in denial.

LMAO after we seen the results of the reporting on Benghazi anyone who doesn't question BS reporting are the folks "in denial". UNLESS anyone IS so foolish to really think trained police and FBI investigators cannot tell pistol and rifle casings apart LOL...

The Fast and Furious debacle was clearly an attempt to "prove" that US guns were making it into Mexican drug lord hands and (since they used Ar-15's ) we needed another AWB - when they got caught with their pants down the agenda had not changed they just needed "another something" to USE to try to push that AWB that Feinstein stated she and her staff had been working on "for over a year" . Doesn't take even a high school education to realize they were working on an AWB and had reason to believe something was going to help this one pass......

Anyone who would blindly believe this regime or it's media is blind stupid and totally delusional. "News" doesn't change sure mistakes CAN happen, but trained police investigators DO NOT make those mistakes - period anyone who would state otherwise is totally cluess
Lord Help Us wrote:
Your quote applies to you as well, and I know all about defense mechanisms. It comforts you to believe it happened, so you don't have to face the reality that you are under the control of a corrupt government.
Like I said, in a court of law, it must be proven that something happened. You don't have to prove it didn't.
Lord Help Us

Paducah, KY

#401 Jan 15, 2013
Zeb is in denial, and did not answer my question. Like someone said earlier, when a person has no argument, they resort to insults. The irony is that the only thing that has been insulted is my intelligence, thanks to this false tragedy, and the fact that I unwittingly believed it at first.

I think I have done my job here. Thank you, Zeb, for keeping this thread at the top of the forum, so that hundreds, if not thousands, have the opportunity to look into this issue themselves.

Brownsville, TN

#402 Jan 15, 2013
Chicago Police Chief: We’ll Shoot Licensed Civilians With Guns!!!!!!!!!!


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#403 Jan 15, 2013
“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said.“I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

McCarthy would not say what specific training officers will undertake if any. However, he did admit that in the past his department has made mistakes in shooting unarmed civilians. He believes the concealed carry law will increase those types of unfortunate incidents.

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