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Softball mom

Imperial, MO

#21 Oct 3, 2012
Its just sad when a freshman player is overheard on the bus ride back to school after a WIN asking a senior "Are we allowed to be happy?" Doesn't sound like this coach is very positive with these girls. I cant make a lineup but i know these girls should be having fun.
Another Upset

San Jose, CA

#23 Oct 4, 2012
And Seckman lost to Norhtwest today, and not by a little.

I don't think Seckman is going to be ranked 8th anymore after it's all said and done....
senior player

Imperial, MO

#24 Oct 4, 2012
At practice the most she does is catch for the out field. She doesn't get involved in anything the team does. And at the beginning of the games she cuts us down, she points out all the negative. You would think she would tell us how to fix these things but no she doesn't. Its like she has no faith in us at all, she doesn't believe in us. Most of the girls on the team just don't care anymore, they just want the season to be over. And these are the girls who love and live softball. Im extremely glad we beat oakville, but it wasn't because of good coaching it was good players.
blah

United States

#25 Oct 4, 2012
Fox-7
Oakville-6
Another Upset

San Jose, CA

#26 Oct 4, 2012
I honestly don't know your high school coach and have no idea what she knows or doesn't know, but this is what I think a high school coach should do in our current time.

A high school coach SHOULD:
Pick the best players for the best positions, and KEEP THEM THERE. There is no way a TEAM can be formed without a group of players can become a team without playing together for an extended period of time.

The coach is responsible for practicing with her team. They can't learn to play as a team unless they practice as one. She is responsible for helping to "gel the team"

The coach dictates by what skills her players have as to how the game is played. If you have quite a few small quick girls, you play more small ball, and equal mix of power and bunting for a more balanced approach, and well, a full team of power hitters plays for the big hits. The defense must be capable. The pitchers and catchers must be skilled, consistent and well versed in the game.

Form a team that respects each other and their coach. If you can do that, your players will run through walls for the coach and each other.

If a coach can't do these things, the girls have to do it themselves, and that what it sounds like Fox is doing. Go out there and have faith in each other! When a group of players can play as a team despite the coach, it makes you a very special group. Not all teams can accomplish that.

I can go into more, but this is just a small gist of what I believe a high school coach should do.

I understand from your post that your coach doesn't tell you how to fix things, and you weren't specific. Here are some things you DON'T WANT A HIGH SCHOOL COACH TO ATTEMPT TO FIX:

I wouldn't trust a high school coach to tell my kids how to fix ANYTHING as far as basic fielding, hitting, pitching or catching skills. Most of them are not qualified or experienced enough to FIX those things. That's what your select, club, travel team does. It is very rare these days for a straight CYC or rec ball kid to even have a remote chance on a Class 4 varsity team. They just don't have the skills, game experience or playing under pressure experience that one needs to play at the varsity level.

Frankly, I'd be absolutely PO'd if a high school coach came up to one of my kids (I have boys and girls that play baseball and softball) and told them that they needed to change their batting stance, their swing, they way they play the catching position or get into pitching mechanics. There is no way they are qualified for that, and we pay WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for VERY QUALIFIED pitching, catching, fielding and hitting instructors and have been for YEARS.

The basic reason for this, is for one, if the high school coach isn't a well known instructor, how does a parent know that they know what they're doing??? They don't. And whenever you change a stance or some kind of mechanics, there will always be a transition period...For example, even growing an inch during a season can throw batting off just because a kid has grown an inch and has to adjust to seeing the ball differently. There is no time in a high school season for a transition period of any kind. It is just too short.

I'm sorry that despite that major upset against Oakville today, your team is not happy. Please take my advice and go out as a team despite her, and RUN THROUGH WALLS FOR EACH OTHER...Just remember, she is the director of the play, but she can't put a glove on and play the field or grab a bat and a helmet and get in the batter's box. When it's all said and done, it's YOUR GAME. BTW, you can beat Northwest and I wish you the best of luck tomorrow!
Concerned Mom

Festus, MO

#27 Oct 4, 2012
Another Upset wrote:
I honestly don't know your high school coach and have no idea what she knows or doesn't know, but this is what I think a high school coach should do in our current time.
A high school coach SHOULD:
Pick the best players for the best positions, and KEEP THEM THERE. There is no way a TEAM can be formed without a group of players can become a team without playing together for an extended period of time.
The coach is responsible for practicing with her team. They can't learn to play as a team unless they practice as one. She is responsible for helping to "gel the team"
The coach dictates by what skills her players have as to how the game is played. If you have quite a few small quick girls, you play more small ball, and equal mix of power and bunting for a more balanced approach, and well, a full team of power hitters plays for the big hits. The defense must be capable. The pitchers and catchers must be skilled, consistent and well versed in the game.
Form a team that respects each other and their coach. If you can do that, your players will run through walls for the coach and each other.
If a coach can't do these things, the girls have to do it themselves, and that what it sounds like Fox is doing. Go out there and have faith in each other! When a group of players can play as a team despite the coach, it makes you a very special group. Not all teams can accomplish that.
I can go into more, but this is just a small gist of what I believe a high school coach should do.
I understand from your post that your coach doesn't tell you how to fix things, and you weren't specific. Here are some things you DON'T WANT A HIGH SCHOOL COACH TO ATTEMPT TO FIX:
I wouldn't trust a high school coach to tell my kids how to fix ANYTHING as far as basic fielding, hitting, pitching or catching skills. Most of them are not qualified or experienced enough to FIX those things. That's what your select, club, travel team does. It is very rare these days for a straight CYC or rec ball kid to even have a remote chance on a Class 4 varsity team. They just don't have the skills, game experience or playing under pressure experience that one needs to play at the varsity level.
Frankly, I'd be absolutely PO'd if a high school coach came up to one of my kids (I have boys and girls that play baseball and softball) and told them that they needed to change their batting stance, their swing, they way they play the catching position or get into pitching mechanics. There is no way they are qualified for that, and we pay WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for VERY QUALIFIED pitching, catching, fielding and hitting instructors and have been for YEARS.
The basic reason for this, is for one, if the high school coach isn't a well known instructor, how does a parent know that they know what they're doing??? They don't. And whenever you change a stance or some kind of mechanics, there will always be a transition period...For example, even growing an inch during a season can throw batting off just because a kid has grown an inch and has to adjust to seeing the ball differently. There is no time in a high school season for a transition period of any kind. It is just too short.
I'm sorry that despite that major upset against Oakville today, your team is not happy. Please take my advice and go out as a team despite her, and RUN THROUGH WALLS FOR EACH OTHER...Just remember, she is the director of the play, but she can't put a glove on and play the field or grab a bat and a helmet and get in the batter's box. When it's all said and done, it's YOUR GAME. BTW, you can beat Northwest and I wish you the best of luck tomorrow!
You hit the nail right on the head. I agree with you 100%!!
senior player

Imperial, MO

#28 Oct 4, 2012
Another Upset wrote:
I honestly don't know your high school coach and have no idea what she knows or doesn't know, but this is what I think a high school coach should do in our current time.
A high school coach SHOULD:
Pick the best players for the best positions, and KEEP THEM THERE. There is no way a TEAM can be formed without a group of players can become a team without playing together for an extended period of time.
The coach is responsible for practicing with her team. They can't learn to play as a team unless they practice as one. She is responsible for helping to "gel the team"
The coach dictates by what skills her players have as to how the game is played. If you have quite a few small quick girls, you play more small ball, and equal mix of power and bunting for a more balanced approach, and well, a full team of power hitters plays for the big hits. The defense must be capable. The pitchers and catchers must be skilled, consistent and well versed in the game.
Form a team that respects each other and their coach. If you can do that, your players will run through walls for the coach and each other.
If a coach can't do these things, the girls have to do it themselves, and that what it sounds like Fox is doing. Go out there and have faith in each other! When a group of players can play as a team despite the coach, it makes you a very special group. Not all teams can accomplish that.
I can go into more, but this is just a small gist of what I believe a high school coach should do.
I understand from your post that your coach doesn't tell you how to fix things, and you weren't specific. Here are some things you DON'T WANT A HIGH SCHOOL COACH TO ATTEMPT TO FIX:
I wouldn't trust a high school coach to tell my kids how to fix ANYTHING as far as basic fielding, hitting, pitching or catching skills. Most of them are not qualified or experienced enough to FIX those things. That's what your select, club, travel team does. It is very rare these days for a straight CYC or rec ball kid to even have a remote chance on a Class 4 varsity team. They just don't have the skills, game experience or playing under pressure experience that one needs to play at the varsity level.
Frankly, I'd be absolutely PO'd if a high school coach came up to one of my kids (I have boys and girls that play baseball and softball) and told them that they needed to change their batting stance, their swing, they way they play the catching position or get into pitching mechanics. There is no way they are qualified for that, and we pay WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for VERY QUALIFIED pitching, catching, fielding and hitting instructors and have been for YEARS.
The basic reason for this, is for one, if the high school coach isn't a well known instructor, how does a parent know that they know what they're doing??? They don't. And whenever you change a stance or some kind of mechanics, there will always be a transition period...For example, even growing an inch during a season can throw batting off just because a kid has grown an inch and has to adjust to seeing the ball differently. There is no time in a high school season for a transition period of any kind. It is just too short.
I'm sorry that despite that major upset against Oakville today, your team is not happy. Please take my advice and go out as a team despite her, and RUN THROUGH WALLS FOR EACH OTHER...Just remember, she is the director of the play, but she can't put a glove on and play the field or grab a bat and a helmet and get in the batter's box. When it's all said and done, it's YOUR GAME. BTW, you can beat Northwest and I wish you the best of luck tomorrow!
I agree with you. Thanks for all you have said! Will you come coach my team?
just my opinion

Warrensburg, MO

#29 Oct 4, 2012
Let me say I don’t know the coach or the players, and obviously don't know all the details, but a few thoughts. I am also not going to get into a big internet fight over this. Just my opinion, but I would say that the main job of a baseball / softball coach is to get their best players on the field and in the lineup. The coach should be alert of when it is time to bunt, hit and run, change pitchers, etc. I will say I have never seen a coach strike out, miss a sign, or commit an error. Meaning in baseball or softball, the players on the field have a bigger impact than the coach.

"Doesn't sound like this coach is very positive with these girls." Sounds like tough group to be positive with. Coaches should be positive even when it is tough to do so.

"Im extremely glad we beat oakville, but it wasn't because of good coaching it was good players." You can’t have it both ways. If the big win over Oakville was because of your good players, why haven’t the girls been doing it all season?

"They can't learn to play as a team unless they practice as one. She is responsible for helping to "gel the team"" Sounds like a group just ready to gel; a group of whining parents and players who take to the internet to try to solve their problems.

"Frankly, I'd be absolutely PO'd if a high school coach came up to one of my kids (I have boys and girls that play baseball and softball) and told them that they needed to change their batting stance, their swing, they way they play the catching position or get into pitching mechanics. There is no way they are qualified for that, and we pay WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for VERY QUALIFIED pitching, catching, fielding and hitting instructors and have been for YEARS." There are a lot of great and highly qualified high school coaches out there.

As far as the rest of the pro “select” coaching and team rant, I think a lot of people would say this is what is ruining youth sports today.“Select” coaches and their parents bashing high school coaches, real classy. I am amazed by the “select” coaches who are mechanics and truck drivers by day, but are Whitey Herzog’s in the summer and evenings. Did you ever think that when you are paying large sums of money for your kid to play on the “select” teams, the coach is going to tell you what you want to hear? In MOST cases, the coach should be telling you “Your kid is average height and weight. He/she runs, hits, and throws about average. I think you are really wasting your thousands of dollars each year for lessons, clinics,“exposure” showcases and tournaments. What you really should do is save that money for their college education or tutoring.” Of course there are exceptions to this.

Most parents and athletes don’t realize that NCAA softball and baseball teams have about a dozen scholarships to split up amongst the whole team. Meaning very few of them are going to get a substantial amount of money for baseball or softball. You would be better off focusing on your studies. This area is full of summer league all-stars who go on to area junior college’s (many times on A+ scholarships (nothing wrong with that)) and fizzle out in a short period of time. If your son can throw a fastball 90+ MPH, he is going to go somewhere no matter if he plays for the local American legion team or a high dollar “select” team.

Seems to me that this is reflective of our society nowadays; when the going gets tough, rather than bear down and work harder, maybe ask the coach what you need to work on to get better, it is easier to complain and blame the coach (boss, principal, owner, fill in the blank). Good thing Kurt Warner didn’t take the same attitude that some of you have. Rather than complain and whine, he put in his time, kept working hard, and eventually got an opportunity and made the most of it.
Coaching

Saint Louis, MO

#30 Oct 4, 2012
The Fox coach is very knowledgeable and experienced. She played at Fox, for club/select teams that have played at nationals/worlds, and has coached at Forest Park Community College where she was able to get scholarships for a lot of our girls. She knows talent and recognizes it, and can coach a team to win, obviously. Sometimes you have to pull from JV and Fresh to field your best team; all schools do it in all sports. Talent, or lack thereof, becomes more evident as the season goes on. Field the best players regardless of age; seniors don't get a free pass just because it's their last year...everyone involved in sports knows this and our coaches practice it.
Another Upset

San Jose, CA

#31 Oct 5, 2012
There is one thing that I didn't think about last night when I wrote the post about high school coaches. I would think this would apply to all coaches in general. I'm probably oversimplifying here, but I could probably write a book on this subject.

There are two main parts to coaching.
1. Having extensive knowledge of the sport you are coaching/having the knowledge to teach the skills necessary.

2. Effective communication with players.

A coach can be outrageously knowledgeable in a sport and can be well versed in the skills of the sport, however, if that coach cannot communicate what he knows to players or what he wants them to do, the players will not know how to execute what the coach wants. This causes frustration on both sides. Communication is vital, not only in relaying information to the players, but being able to motivate, criticize, praise, and teach in a constructive fashion. Not all players are alike, either, so a coach has to use many tools when communicating to players.

These are two different skills. Both skills, knowledge and communication are very important and have an extensive reach. A person can most definitely have one without the other. It is ideal to have both qualities. Sometimes it takes 2 coaches to make one good one. Sometimes 3.

And to senior player...I am an assistant coach of a select team here in the St Louis Metro. Without giving away the age group, I work with younger players.

I don't know you, but here is a little word of advice that may help you along the way of life. When setting goals in your life, be aware of your strengths and weaknesses. Hone your strengths, improve your weaknesses. Learn from your own mistakes (not fun) and from the mistakes of others (much easier). Never let the fear of failure stand it your way, and never let perceived failure stop you from achieving your goals.
Coaching

Saint Louis, MO

#32 Oct 5, 2012
Another Upset wrote:
There is one thing that I didn't think about last night when I wrote the post about high school coaches. I would think this would apply to all coaches in general. I'm probably oversimplifying here, but I could probably write a book on this subject.
There are two main parts to coaching.
1. Having extensive knowledge of the sport you are coaching/having the knowledge to teach the skills necessary.
2. Effective communication with players.
As I stated in my last post, the varsity softball coach has "extensive knowledge" and "knowledge to teach the skills necessary". I failed to communicate that she is able to "effective(ly) communicate" her knowledge of the sport "with players". She is not prone to be at a loss for words and is great at explaining things. She also likes the girls and shows empathy.
Obe One

Saint Louis, MO

#33 Oct 11, 2012
Is that you, Terri?
Coaching

Saint Louis, MO

#34 Oct 13, 2012
Obe One wrote:
Is that you, Terri?
No, Terri has a lot of supporters. We know she is a great coach and a wonderful person.
past softball mom

Ballwin, MO

#35 Nov 4, 2012
My daughter played for coach williams years ago, and she was then and still is a great coach. You softball moms need to realize that just because your daughter is a senior does not give her playing time on varsity, You have to earn your position whether you are a senior or a freshman.Varsity in any sport gives you the right to steal or borrow, whichever you prefer, from freshman or jv, if you see a player that could benefit your varsity team,and you need to bring them up to the varsity level, you have that right. Just because you make varsity does not mean you do not have to try as hard, because there is always someone better.And remember there is always 2 sides to every story, sometimes our children only tell half.
In select ball, they play their best, this is no different,except you do not have to pay for this.
hahaha

United States

#36 Nov 5, 2012
I believe she resigned
Past playa

United States

#37 Nov 5, 2012
hahaha wrote:
I believe she resigned
I believe Dawn started all this.
Sara

Saint Louis, MO

#38 Nov 8, 2012
I think coach Williams is great!!! She was always great with us. You have to earn your spot on the field. The harder you play and work at your position, the better you are. The better you are, the more you play. If a younger player is better than the older player than yes they should play more. You have to earn your position on that field. Coach Williams is fair and no one will ever change my mind about that. I played for her 11 years ago and she was the best coach I have ever had. She went over and beyond for me and my team!
Summer Coaches

Saint Louis, MO

#39 Nov 13, 2012
Whoever said that high school coaches shouldn't be coaching their kid how to hit or field is a joke. What gives their summer league coaches the right to coach them, but their high school coach can't? Most of the summer league coaches are just parents who are living their dreams through their kids. They have no special knowledge of the game. Anyone can be a summer coach. High school coaches go through interviews and typically have a lot of knowledge of the sport. What qualifications do you have to coach summer league? Did you play in college, professionally? On Fox's coaching staff, they have a man who played semi professional independent ball and is a hitting coach. Can he help your daughter with her swing? There is a division 1 pitcher on the staff. Can she help your daughter with her pitching?
Ooh

Imperial, MO

#40 Nov 14, 2012
My kid does not play for Fox. At my daughter's high school, only one softball coach has college experience, and it wasn't as a pitcher. She does not coach Varsity and does not proclaim to be a hitting or pitching instructor. Why would I allow my daughter to take suggestions for either hitting or pitching from a high school coach when my daughter goes to very experienced and established instructors and has been for years? Our varsity coach was trying to fix things that weren't broken, and that's something you should not do. It didn't work for him either.
unknown

Barnhart, MO

#41 Dec 6, 2012
I am pretty sure she is not going to be the coach next year.
softball mom wrote:
Every year less and less upperclass girls come back to play for this womman because they are tired of her benching them! Every year this coach starts her newspaper interview about her "young team"! Fox just had a very nice senior night ceremony at the beginning of the game and she didnt play the seniors! Why in the world should the juniors come back next year if they are going to be benched! Fox lost to a lesser team and the juniors and seniors just dont care anymore!

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