A State Divided On Gun Control: Ilion...

A State Divided On Gun Control: Ilion Vs. New York City

There are 38 comments on the WUTR story from Feb 7, 2013, titled A State Divided On Gun Control: Ilion Vs. New York City. In it, WUTR reports that:

As we've reported to you, the New York Safe Act gives New York state the toughest gun laws in the nation, and it passed both legislative houses overwhelmingly.

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casino

Utica, NY

#1 Feb 19, 2013
stimulus money they did stimulus money for cars to save the ozon but not for guns to save lives at a fair market value gun owners are faced with a burden if they only have one gun and no one will buy it in another state in fear of the guns being banned people dont have the money to buy another gun so thier rights are violated because they only have one gun and the gov. wants it gone
Ironman

Utica, NY

#3 Mar 1, 2013
speak English
OMG

Little Falls, NY

#4 Mar 1, 2013
casino wrote:
stimulus money they did stimulus money for cars to save the ozon but not for guns to save lives at a fair market value gun owners are faced with a burden if they only have one gun and no one will buy it in another state in fear of the guns being banned people dont have the money to buy another gun so thier rights are violated because they only have one gun and the gov. wants it gone
Deer hunter right?
vennison

Utica, NY

#6 Mar 1, 2013
yep
Just Saying

Mineola, NY

#7 Mar 2, 2013
Ex post facto law that criminalizes what was previously legal, and should be ruled unconstitutional when it gets to court. It was rushed through so fast that it actually prohibits NY police officers from possessing their issued ammunition clips, because it made no exceptions for law enforcement. Limiting clips to 7 rounds is absurd, because no major pistol manufacturer (Glock, Smith and Wesson, Sig Sauer, etc.) produces clips with less than 10 rounds for their most popular models, and will not do so now just because NY passed this stupid law.

Thousands of law abiding New Yorkers will now become "criminals" just because "Little Mario" wanted to be the first politician to take political advantage of the Newtown tragedy, while real criminals will just ignore this law, like they ignore the many other gun laws already on the books.

Cuomo is one of the most reprehensible politicians in recent memory, and that says a lot, given all of the losers currently holding office.
Interesting guy

Paterson, NJ

#8 Mar 2, 2013
NYS isn't divided by gun regulations. A majority in NYS are in favor of more laws against gun violence. A majority of citizens are domestically in favor of new gun regulations. Fact
Prince V

Fort Plain, NY

#9 Mar 2, 2013
Interesting guy wrote:
NYS isn't divided by gun regulations. A majority in NYS are in favor of more laws against gun violence. A majority of citizens are domestically in favor of new gun regulations. Fact
You're wrong, they just want the laws already on the books to be enforced. Writing news laws because of government failures isn't what anyone wants. When our criminal government (fast & furious, torture, secret kill lists ) writes laws, they are exempt right?
Fact, no one in the world with a brain trusts our government with their safety and liberty. Molan labe!
Just Saying

Mineola, NY

#10 Mar 2, 2013
Interesting guy wrote:
NYS isn't divided by gun regulations. A majority in NYS are in favor of more laws against gun violence. A majority of citizens are domestically in favor of new gun regulations. Fact
That majority of citizens you refer to are mostly ignorant of the facts regarding guns and the 2nd Amendment, and are instead reacting emotionally to recent tragedies. Nothing in the NY SAFE Act would have prevented what happened at Newtown. Magazine limitations sound good, but any proficient shooter can reload quickly enough that individual magazine capacity means little. The real problem is the lack of enforcement of existing gun laws. For example, NY City and NY State claimed for years that if you get caught with an illegal firearm, you'd go to jail for at least a year, and even longer if you commit another crime while possessing a firearm. However, despite the law, NY judges in most cases will not impose a jail sentence for simple possession of a weapon. Also, the Giffords shooting in Arizona, the Aurora theater shooting, the Virginia Tech shooting, and Newtown were all committed by mentally ill individuals. Disarming law abiding American citizens won't prevent that. In fact, homicides by gun have steadily declined in the U.S. for years, according to FBI statistics. This law is just politics by Cuomo et al., who is seeking the Presidency in 2016.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#11 Mar 3, 2013
Interesting guy wrote:
NYS isn't divided by gun regulations. A majority in NYS are in favor of more laws against gun violence. A majority of citizens are domestically in favor of new gun regulations. Fact
Untrue. Most new Yorkers are in favor of better MENTAL HEALTH regulations.
Plotts

Ronkonkoma, NY

#12 Mar 3, 2013
lshmaeI wrote:
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Untrue. Most new Yorkers are in favor of better MENTAL HEALTH regulations.
Bring back the NYState Psyciatric Centers...with professional's instead of the children/relatives of politically connected politicians who now run the "privatization part of services" provided today:).....
Prince V

Fort Plain, NY

#13 Mar 3, 2013
Plotts wrote:
<quoted text> Bring back the NYState Psyciatric Centers...with professional's instead of the children/relatives of politically connected politicians who now run the "privatization part of services" provided today:).....
No, investigate the pharmaceutical industry pumping out dangerous psychosis inducing drugs. More government is nothing but welfare for failed academic disciplines too arrogant to admit they're wrong.
Prince V

Fort Plain, NY

#14 Mar 3, 2013
Who would trust a government that buys ammunition by the ton, uses paper targets of 7 year olds, elderly people and pregnant women? Idiots and fools.

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/02/16/homelan...

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...
eh844fd

Shrewsbury, PA

#15 Mar 3, 2013
A Majority? When was the last time you took a poll of Upstate New Yorkers. This law only applies to upstate because there are already gun bans in the City and ALL of its boroughs. So how do you think this GUN BAN is going to change things, tell me how YOUR KING CUOMO is going to stop gun crimes by putting in a law that already exists in the City...TELL ME SMART F....
Plotts

Ronkonkoma, NY

#16 Mar 3, 2013
Prince V wrote:
<quoted text> No, investigate the pharmaceutical industry pumping out dangerous psychosis inducing drugs. More government is nothing but welfare for failed academic disciplines too arrogant to admit they're wrong.
The pharmaceutical and widespread over medicating did not begin until healthcare became insurance centered...
While one needs to only look at the "Sackler brothers" who produced oxycotin "hillbilly heroin" big NewYork philanthropists and their connection to Rudy Guiliani our "drug czar" ....
then take a look at the business partners who created suboxone....and then you can show how these pharmaceuticals created a cottage industry of addiction..with the help of prominent politicians......which all stems from our insurance mandated health care system.....
Prince V

Fort Plain, NY

#17 Mar 3, 2013
eh844fd wrote:
A Majority? When was the last time you took a poll of Upstate New Yorkers. This law only applies to upstate because there are already gun bans in the City and ALL of its boroughs. So how do you think this GUN BAN is going to change things, tell me how YOUR KING CUOMO is going to stop gun crimes by putting in a law that already exists in the City...TELL ME SMART F....
Know what's funny about Metro NYC people? Too many of them have a short memory. They can't remember when Colin Ferguson walked onto a Long Island train full of unarmed commuters, killing six and injuring nineteen. What was the solution? let all the off duty commuting cops in street clothes ride free so this wouldn't happen again. See, the threat was reduced by letting trained law abiding citizens carry. Never mind they're off duty cops, just trained law abiding citizens. Gun safety and the use of deadly for NEEDS to be taught from an early age. Sure, there will always be psychopaths, but an armed sane trained populace is it's best checkmate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_%...
PVisright0percen toftime

Herkimer, NY

#18 Mar 4, 2013
Prince V wrote:
You're wrong, they just want the laws already on the books to be enforced.
PV, you know you can actually look this stuff up, right? It's called the world wide interweb. There's this site called Google. It's a funny name, but provides good information:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/ny-poll...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/p...

Etc., etc.
PVisright0percen toftime

Herkimer, NY

#19 Mar 4, 2013
eh844fd wrote:
A Majority? When was the last time you took a poll of Upstate New Yorkers. This law only applies to upstate because there are already gun bans in the City and ALL of its boroughs.
Yes, a majority. You realize upstate New York is part of New York, right? And there is no gun ban in NY, nor any of the boroughs.
Within reason

Syracuse, NY

#20 Mar 4, 2013
PVisright0percentoftime wrote:
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Yes, a majority. You realize upstate New York is part of New York, right? And there is no gun ban in NY, nor any of the boroughs.
you cannot carry a pistol in any of the 5 boroughs in NY no matter what your upstate permit states. That is a gun ban.
PVisright0percen toftime

Herkimer, NY

#22 Mar 5, 2013
Within reason wrote:
you cannot carry a pistol in any of the 5 boroughs in NY no matter what your upstate permit states. That is a gun ban.
There absolutely is no "gun ban" of any kind in the city of New York or any of the five boroughs thereof.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/gun...
WillysKidmarks

Fort Plain, NY

#23 Mar 5, 2013
PVisright0percentoftime wrote:
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There absolutely is no "gun ban" of any kind in the city of New York or any of the five boroughs thereof.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/gun...
Even better, why don't you prove him wrong, walk around Manhattan with a shotgun and have someone film it.

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