Gay Teen Now Being Blamed for His Own...

Gay Teen Now Being Blamed for His Own Murder [The Gays]

There are 704 comments on the Gawker story from Aug 11, 2011, titled Gay Teen Now Being Blamed for His Own Murder [The Gays]. In it, Gawker reports that:

Fifteen year-old Larry King was shot twice in the back of the head by his classmate Brandon McInerney while sitting in school in Oxnard, California.

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Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#1 Aug 12, 2011
One can see how there there is a lot of blame to go around. What one can't see is why it was necessary to shoot someone over a little taunting. King's actions were over the top, but Mcilnerney's were far worse! It was a avoidable murder, but it was still murder!
Regards, Terry

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#2 Sep 5, 2011
TerryE wrote:
One can see how there there is a lot of blame to go around. What one can't see is why it was necessary to shoot someone over a little taunting. King's actions were over the top, but Mcilnerney's were far worse! It was a avoidable murder, but it was still murder!
Regards, Terry
I agree with that. We can't bring the kid back, but perhaps this could spur teachers and administrators to clamp down on all sexual harassment regardless of sexual orientation.

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Since: Dec 10

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#3 Sep 6, 2011
How exactly was he to blame?

He was shot repeatedly for wearing high heels and make-up he didn't do anything wrong you moron.

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#4 Sep 6, 2011
Kesla15 wrote:
How exactly was he to blame?
He was shot repeatedly for wearing high heels and make-up he didn't do anything wrong you moron.
Get a life! He was shot because he verbally taunted others. None of us are saying that he deserved to die. The point I was making is that reckless behavior could lead to unintended consequences and it did when he taunted other students by saying things that amounted to accusing them of wanting him sexually. Sexual harassment is no more appropriate when it is male on male than male on female. He didn't deserve to die, but he foolishly put himself in harm's way. If teachers had clamped down on his homosexual harassment earlier, he would most likely be alive today. And oh yes, a homosexual should not be harassed simply for being gay.

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Since: Feb 08

Earth

#5 Sep 6, 2011
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Get a life! He was shot because he verbally taunted others. None of us are saying that he deserved to die. The point I was making is that reckless behavior could lead to unintended consequences and it did when he taunted other students by saying things that amounted to accusing them of wanting him sexually. Sexual harassment is no more appropriate when it is male on male than male on female. He didn't deserve to die, but he foolishly put himself in harm's way. If teachers had clamped down on his homosexual harassment earlier, he would most likely be alive today. And oh yes, a homosexual should not be harassed simply for being gay.
thank you for such wisdom in both of your posts.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#6 Sep 6, 2011
As I understand it, He wasn't shot for wearing high heels and make up. It was his continual public taunting of McInerny, insinuating the McInerny was really Gay and wanted him sexually. After a while it got too much for McInerny to stand and he decided to end it. No doubt, The make up a heels served to provoke McInerny further.
Technically he (King) did nothing wrong, however he did "get in his Face" and get on McInerny's nerves and he provoked him.
Regards, Terry
Kesla15 wrote:
How exactly was he to blame?
He was shot repeatedly for wearing high heels and make-up he didn't do anything wrong you moron.

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#7 Sep 6, 2011
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Get a life! He was shot because he verbally taunted others. None of us are saying that he deserved to die. The point I was making is that reckless behavior could lead to unintended consequences and it did when he taunted other students by saying things that amounted to accusing them of wanting him sexually. Sexual harassment is no more appropriate when it is male on male than male on female. He didn't deserve to die, but he foolishly put himself in harm's way. If teachers had clamped down on his homosexual harassment earlier, he would most likely be alive today. And oh yes, a homosexual should not be harassed simply for being gay.
Do you think Brandon should be convicted on first-degree murder or a lesser charge Badcat?

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#8 Sep 6, 2011
Coy91 wrote:
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Do you think Brandon should be convicted on first-degree murder or a lesser charge Badcat?
I would have to read up more on applicable law in California before making such a determination. It sounds like you are trying to stir up a hornet's nest, but I refuse to take the bait.

I seriously doubt that even if convicted of 1st degree murder that he will get the death sentence. California law also makes the crime of 2nd degree murder life without parole. Whether he is charged with 1st degree or second degree murder is strictly academic as he would go to prison for life regardless.

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#9 Sep 6, 2011
The defendant was under the age of 18 when the crime was committed, so he cannot get the death sentence due to a U.S. Supreme Court decision. He is definitely is guilty of murder if my understanding of the case is correct. He should have been convicted of something, most likely 1st or 2nd degree murder for which the punishment is essentially the same, life in prison without parole, as he was tried as an adult.

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#10 Sep 6, 2011
I want to amend what I said in a previous post. In California, 1st degree murder is 25 years to life with aggravating circumstances possibly leading to life without possibility of parole or death.
2nd degree murder is 15 to 50 years.

I was not at the trial and did not hear all the testimony which makes me unqualified to make a fairdetermination whether the defendant was guilty of 1st or 2nd degree murder or guilty of manslaughter as well as whether he was guilty of a hate crime.

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#11 Sep 6, 2011
If I am wrong about California Law, I will appreciate any corrections offered in a proper spirit of correction.

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Since: Jun 08

Silver Spring, MD

#12 Sep 6, 2011
Even if King did bait his murderer in some sexually harassing manner, str8 guys do this all the time - and worse - to female students.

How mitigating would verbal taunting be if a str8 girl brought a gun to school and popped the quarterback in the noggin twice?

Not very. Any moron knows this.

However, if schools want to even handedly work on all forms of sexual harassment, including homophobic taunts, then fine.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#13 Sep 6, 2011
No one said it did. We're just exploring the cause and effect aspect to it. King was being a wise ass in the worst, most insulting way there is to be.(Messing with someone's self image) and paid the ultimate price. McInerny was obviously no female.
Regards, Terry
writewingproxycontin wrote:
Even if King did bait his murderer in some sexually harassing manner, str8 guys do this all the time - and worse - to female students.
How mitigating would verbal taunting be if a str8 girl brought a gun to school and popped the quarterback in the noggin twice?
Not very. Any moron knows this.
However, if schools want to even handedly work on all forms of sexual harassment, including homophobic taunts, then fine.

Since: Aug 08

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#14 Sep 6, 2011
The murderer is to blame PERIOD!!

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Since: Jun 08

Silver Spring, MD

#15 Sep 6, 2011
TerryE wrote:
No one said it did....McInerny was obviously no female.
Why are Republicans so deranged?

_Lots_ of people have said that King's death was partly his own fault. That's why the jury was hung. Is that too complicated for you?

Obviously McInerney is not female. It was a hypothetical to highlight the homophobia involved here. That was obvious. If a str8 quarterback verbally taunted a female student (they do much worse regularly) and she shot him twice in the head would the jurors have found the taunting to mitigate her premeditated murder?

Not on your life. Not even a crazy Republican nutcase would say it would.

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#16 Sep 6, 2011
writewingproxycontin wrote:
Even if King did bait his murderer in some sexually harassing manner, str8 guys do this all the time - and worse - to female students.
How mitigating would verbal taunting be if a str8 girl brought a gun to school and popped the quarterback in the noggin twice?
Not very. Any moron knows this.
However, if schools want to even handedly work on all forms of sexual harassment, including homophobic taunts, then fine.
It might effect just what murder charge would apply. It would still be murder or manslaughter with a substantial jail sentence regardless of the charge convicted under.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#17 Sep 6, 2011
writewingproxycontin wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are Republicans so deranged?
_Lots_ of people have said that King's death was partly his own fault. That's why the jury was hung. Is that too complicated for you?
Obviously McInerney is not female. It was a hypothetical to highlight the homophobia involved here. That was obvious. If a str8 quarterback verbally taunted a female student (they do much worse regularly) and she shot him twice in the head would the jurors have found the taunting to mitigate her premeditated murder?
Not on your life. Not even a crazy Republican nutcase would say it would.
Neither of us as i assume you weren't there for the two month trial heard any of the testimony first hand. Neither of us is in a position to ascertain whether the killing was motivated by hate or a simple act of retaliation against sexual harassment. If the situation were reversed and it was a gay person who committed this crime against a straight, how would you react?

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Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#18 Sep 6, 2011
About four years ago, I was on the jury in a murder case. What one hears second hand about a case is a far cry from actually being there. Unless you were there for ALL the testimony, I would not accept your judge, jury, and executioner take on the trial. Even assuming that the article was 100% fair and balanced (which it wasn't by a country mile), there were still questions in my mind about whether or not this was a hate crime. It is possible that it could rise to the threshold of a hate crime.

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Since: Jun 08

Silver Spring, MD

#19 Sep 6, 2011
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>i assume you weren't there for the two month trial heard any of the testimony first hand. Neither of us is in a position to ascertain whether the killing was motivated by hate or a simple act of retaliation against sexual harassment. If the situation were reversed and it was a gay person who committed this crime against a straight, how would you react?
We can ascertain that his was a hate crime, and not just "retaliation" for some verbal taunting which may have bordered on sexual harassment.

We know this because female students are sexually harassed - and worse - by str8 male student all the time, and these women don't walk into school and put two bullets in the skulls of the boys.

As for a gay person shooting a str8 person: I have in essence already provided that hypothetical in the case of a str8 female, since the str8 female and the gay male are (typically) occupying the same social role dictated by sexism.

And I said that the "mitigating" circumstances of a str8 girl shooting a verbally taunting quarterback wouldn't help her get a hung jury in the slightest. She'd be convicted. That was my answer. It was implicit.

The unusual thing here is that King was not only gay and flamboyant, but that he was overtly transgressive in reversing the usual power relations. Str8 men get to harass, and do all the time, to a far worse degree. McInerney couldn't abide such a challenge to str8 male privilege, and neither could certain members of the hung jury.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#20 Sep 6, 2011
writewingproxycontin wrote:
<quoted text>
We can ascertain that his was a hate crime, and not just "retaliation" for some verbal taunting which may have bordered on sexual harassment.
We know this because female students are sexually harassed - and worse - by str8 male student all the time, and these women don't walk into school and put two bullets in the skulls of the boys.
As for a gay person shooting a str8 person: I have in essence already provided that hypothetical in the case of a str8 female, since the str8 female and the gay male are (typically) occupying the same social role dictated by sexism.
And I said that the "mitigating" circumstances of a str8 girl shooting a verbally taunting quarterback wouldn't help her get a hung jury in the slightest. She'd be convicted. That was my answer. It was implicit.
The unusual thing here is that King was not only gay and flamboyant, but that he was overtly transgressive in reversing the usual power relations. Str8 men get to harass, and do all the time, to a far worse degree. McInerney couldn't abide such a challenge to str8 male privilege, and neither could certain members of the hung jury.
Two wrongs still don't make a right. Harassment of gays (which is wrong) does not give them the right to harass straights.

You were not present at the trial and are grossly unqualified to make a final determination as to whether this was indeed a bias crime. All you have is excerpts from the trial which are grosasly lacking in the detail necessary to conclude whether or not it was a bias crime. News coverage from both the left and right is subject to misrepresentation or exaggeration. I wasn't at the trial, and unlike you, I make no attempts to conclude whether it was a bias crime or not because all you and I have are second hand accounts which may indeed contain embellishments or deliberately omitted pertinent information.

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