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'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate

There are 243444 comments on the thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com story from Oct 1, 2010, titled 'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate. In it, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com reports that:

"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).

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“Heaven doesn't want me.”

Since: Jul 13

Hell's afraid I'll take over.

#113111 Aug 2, 2013
wtf wrote:
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Where did I say anything about women or a squaw in the above post?
So how do you figure tofy was being prejudiced against Native Americans, then? What's the connection between Native Americans and banshee squalls...no, REALLY? This ought to be good.
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113112 Aug 2, 2013
Those who fancy themselves tea party patriots fighting a sold-out cocktail-swilling establishment are demanding yet another cliff dive as a show of principle and manliness.(Line up you fauxbox lemming tools, prepare to dive)

The party of (nutty) ideas

It’s not your imagination. The Republican Party really does seem to have taken leave of its senses.
The House GOP majority has decided that its final act before the summer recess will be to take its 40th vote to repeal all or part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare. This time, Republicans will vote to prohibit the Internal Revenue Service from playing any role in implementing the law, which would effectively gut the measure — in some parallel universe.

Like all the previous votes to kill, squelch, strangle, kneecap or otherwise incapacitate Obamacare, this one has zero chance of success in the reality that we inhabit. The inelegantly named Keep the IRS Off Your Health Care Act of 2013 could never make it through the Senate. If somehow it did, President Obama would whip out the veto pen faster than you can say “preexisting conditions.”

Amazingly, this pointless exercise in the House makes more sense than what Republicans are doing in the Senate. There, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and his tea party-backed allies are threatening to shut down the whole government to strip Obamacare of all funding.

Cruz and his fellow chief insurrectionist, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), want the Senate to refuse to pass a continuing resolution to keep the government operating beyond Sept. 30, when the current fiscal year ends.

The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service issued a report Monday saying that implementation of Obamacare would continue in the event of a shutdown. But mere facts cannot begin to penetrate Cruz’s carapace of certainty.

“There is a powerful, defeatist approach among Republicans in Washington,” Cruz said in a radio interview this week.“I think they’re beaten down, and they’re convinced that we can’t give a fight, and they’re terrified.”

It’s quite a bit more likely that Republicans who oppose Cruz’s nutty idea recall what happens when the party throws a tantrum and refuses to fund the normal and necessary functioning of the government. Cruz contends it is mere “cocktail-chatter wisdom” that the party was damaged by Newt Gingrich’s 1995-96 shutdowns; he claims, incredibly, that the episode was good for the GOP.

Veteran Republican legislators who bear scars from that battle — including House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio)— would beg to disagree.

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DITCH McConnell
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113113 Aug 2, 2013
The shut-it-all-down initiative has the support of Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul of Kentucky, both of whom are thought likely to seek the GOP’s 2016 presidential nomination — as is Cruz. I think someone should sign them all up for a reality show called “Tea Party ‘Frenemies.’” I’d watch.

This would all be hilarious if it weren’t so alarming. Absent strong leadership from mature adults, the GOP is drifting past “party of no” territory into an uncharted realm where the object seems to be to make the nation ungovernable.

Unable to control his unruly majority, Boehner has essentially given up; judge the House not on how many laws it passes, he said recently, but how many it repeals. Even by that standard, of course, this Congress is strikingly unproductive, since all those votes to repeal Obamacare have done nothing except waste everybody’s time.

At this point, Republicans won’t even support their own ideas. For years, the party has complained that corporate tax rates are so high they discourage job creation. So what was the reaction when Obama proposed lowering those corporate tax rates? House leaders immediately signaled that they were not interested.

Boehner does seem to be standing firm, at least for now, against the idea of a government shutdown over Obamacare. He has a powerful self-interest in the matter: While Democrats face an uphill struggle to reclaim control of the House in next year’s election, the task becomes easier if voters are angry with Republicans for cutting off government services.

If we get past the shutdown threat, the next opportunity for mayhem will be a GOP threat — yet again — to grievously wound the economy by refusing to raise the statutory debt ceiling.

Maybe we’ll make it past this crisis, too. But chances that Republicans will actually let Congress do anything constructive seem dimmer than ever.

Obama can use his executive powers, but those only go so far. Next year, voters will have to decide whether elected officials who do not believe in government should perhaps find another line of work.(like McCONnell)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene...

haha NUTS is right, like these lemming tool/fools here. Bye, bye turtleman

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113114 Aug 2, 2013
Who do they think their fooling...GOP attack on Workers. Discrimination is Grandrand's speciality, remember he thinks it's okay to refuse Blacks service. On video saying so in 2010.

36 Senators Introduce Bill Prohibiting Virtually Any New Law Helping Workers

More than three-quarters of the Senate Republican caucus signed onto legislation introduced
Wednesday by Sens. Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Rand Paul (R-KY) that could render it virtually impossible for Congress to enact any legislation intended to improve working conditions or otherwise regulate the workplace. Had their bill been in effect during the Twentieth Century, for example, there would likely be no nationwide minimum wage, no national ban on workplace discrimination, no national labor law and no overtime in most industries.

Like many Tea Party proposals to neuter the federal government, Coburn and Paul’s bill is marketed as an effort to bring America back in line with a long-ago discarded vision of the Constitution. It’s named the “Enumerated Powers Act of 2013,” a reference to the provisions of the Constitution outlining Congress’ specific powers, and it claims to require all federal legislation to “’contain a concise explanation of the specific authority in the Constitution’ that is the basis for its enactment.”

The key provision in this bill, however, would revive a discredited interpretation of the Constitution that America abandoned nearly eight decades ago. Although the text of the bill is not yet available online, a press release from Coburn’s office explains that it “[p]rohibits the use of the Commerce Clause, except for ‘the regulation of the buying and selling of goods or services, or the transporting for those purposes, across boundaries with foreign nations, across State lines, or with Indian tribes.’”

To translate this language a bit, in the late 19th Century, the Supreme Court embraced an unusually narrow interpretation of the Constitution’s provision enabling Congress to “regulate commerce ... among the several states.” Under this narrow reading, which lasted less than half a century, the justices said that they would only permit federal laws that regulated the transport of goods for sale or a sale itself. Manufacturing, mining, production and agriculture were all held to be beyond federal regulation. This theory was the basis for several decisions striking down basic labor protections, including a 1918 decision declaring a child labor law unconstitutional.

Coburn and Paul’s bill appears to be an attempt to restore the constitutional regime that prohibited child labor regulation and other such nationwide regulation of the American workplace. While the bill does not apply retroactively — so existing labor laws would continue to function — the bill does allow a procedural objection to be raised against any new legislation that does not comply with the limits imposed by the bill. Such an objection could be used to block any most attempts to enact new workplace laws — such as a bill increasing the national minimum wage or a bill prohibiting all employers from firing workers because they are gay. Similarly, Coburn and Paul’s bill could permanently entrench decisions by the conservative Roberts Court rolling back existing protections for workers — such as a recent decision shielding many employers whose senior employees engage in sexual harassment.

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DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113115 Aug 2, 2013
Such an effort to shrink the constitutional role of government until it is small enough to be drowned in a bathtub is consistent with Paul and Coburn’s records. Last March, Paul praised a particularly infamous Supreme Court decision empowering employers to ruthlessly exploit their workers. Coburn told a town hall meeting in 2011 that Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional because “that’s a family responsibility, not a government responsibility.”

What is somewhat surprising, however, is the sheer breadth of support for Coburn and Paul’s discredited view of the Constitution within the Senate Republican Caucus. According to Coburn’s press release, their bill is cosponsored by

“Senators Ayotte (R-NH), Barrasso (R-WY), Blunt (R-MO), Boozman (R-AR), Burr (R-NC), Chambliss (R-GA), Coats (R-IN), Corker (R-TN), Cornyn (R-TX), Crapo (R-ID), Cruz (R-TX), Enzi (R-WY), Fischer (R-NE), Flake (R-AZ), Graham (R-SC), Grassley (R-IA), Hatch (R-UT), Heller (R-NV), Inhofe (R-OK), Isakson (R-GA), Johnson (R-WI), Lee (R-UT), McCain (R-AZ), McCONnell (R-KY), Moran (R-KS), Risch (R-ID), Roberts (R-KS), Rubio (R-FL), Scott (R-SC), Sessions (R-AL), Thune (R-SD), Toomey (R-PA), Vitter (R-LA), and Wicker (R-MS).”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/02/2...

"such as a bill increasing the national minimum wage or a bill prohibiting all employers from firing workers because they are gay."

"rolling back existing protections for workers — such as a recent decision shielding many employers whose senior employees engage in sexual harassment."

Typical racist, sexist, attack on civil rights known as the GOP while trying that "re-inventing" themselves concept. haha

GOP RIP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113116 Aug 2, 2013
Hey Injudgement, if you catch this before you go to the Fancy Farm circus, be sure and ask ole turtleman what him and GRANDrand did to help the federal employees and surrounding communities of the two big military bases we have in our state. I would throw it at him if I was going. Have fun.

Challenges To Sequester-Related Furloughs Overwhelm Agency, Force It To Put Cases On Hold
Appeals to sequestration-related furloughs from Department of Defense employees crashed its system.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/02/2...

and if they were working in DC this could have been a better headline for the good of the country. At least President Obama is getting some improvement all by himself. haha

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113117 Aug 2, 2013
Forgot the headline..on same link.

Economy Added 162,000 Jobs In July; Unemployment Drops To 7.4 Percent

Off to dreamland, hope you repukes have your gloom and doom nightmares.

LIFE is good. Retirement is GREAT. Sweet dreams to my lib friends.

RIP GOP

MAKE THE SWITCH

DITCH MITCH

“Heaven doesn't want me.”

Since: Jul 13

Hell's afraid I'll take over.

#113118 Aug 2, 2013
Niters, RC, and thanks for all the good info (I read almost all of it, I promise!). The Addictive Info site is awesome. It's telling, though, that the thing that's ticked me off the most tonight isn't the political stuff, it's those heartless SOB's in Wisconsin that killed the fawn!

See ya tomorrow, good Lord willing and the creek don't rise.

Level 5

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#113119 Aug 2, 2013
RepubliCONS wrote:
Forgot the headline..on same link.
Economy Added 162,000 Jobs In July; Unemployment Drops To 7.4 Percent
Off to dreamland, hope you repukes have your gloom and doom nightmares.
LIFE is good. Retirement is GREAT. Sweet dreams to my lib friends.
RIP GOP
MAKE THE SWITCH
DITCH MITCH
The Census Bureau publishes the Gini Index, which is the official measure of income inequality. That index has climbed every year President Obama has been in office. It was flat during the 8 years under President Bush (which means inequality did not increase).

Inequality is increasing under Obama because the incomes of the top 20% of income earners are increasing, while the incomes for everyone else have been declining. That is right, Progressives, what all your huffing and puffing has achieved is the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer. That didn’t happen under Reagan, where the rich got richer, and the poor got richer. After 1983, the poverty rate declined every year under Reagan, and incomes grew for every income quintile.

Quite to the contrary, Census reports that in 2011 the average incomes of the top 20% of income earners rose, while incomes for the bottom 80%, declined. Under President Obama, as IBD reported on January 23,“average incomes among the poorest households fell nearly 8%, back to levels not seen since the 1980s.” Real median household income, reflecting the incomes of the middle class, has declined throughout Obama’s Presidency, totaling a loss by now of one month’s income a year. You see what I mean when I say that economic growth is far more beneficial for the middle class and the poor than redistrubution?

IBD adds,“[T]he only ones doing well in Obama’s economy have been the ‘shrinking few’ Obama complains about. Wall Street investors have benefitted from a rising stock market – with the Dow now at 5 year highs – and corporate chiefs have seen profits climb 58% since June, 2009.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...
Jay

Springville, TN

#113120 Aug 3, 2013
Republican Honey wrote:
<quoted text>
The Census Bureau publishes the Gini Index, which is the official measure of income inequality. That index has climbed every year President Obama has been in office. It was flat during the 8 years under President Bush (which means inequality did not increase).
Inequality is increasing under Obama because the incomes of the top 20% of income earners are increasing, while the incomes for everyone else have been declining. That is right, Progressives, what all your huffing and puffing has achieved is the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer. That didn’t happen under Reagan, where the rich got richer, and the poor got richer. After 1983, the poverty rate declined every year under Reagan, and incomes grew for every income quintile.
Quite to the contrary, Census reports that in 2011 the average incomes of the top 20% of income earners rose, while incomes for the bottom 80%, declined. Under President Obama, as IBD reported on January 23,“average incomes among the poorest households fell nearly 8%, back to levels not seen since the 1980s.” Real median household income, reflecting the incomes of the middle class, has declined throughout Obama’s Presidency, totaling a loss by now of one month’s income a year. You see what I mean when I say that economic growth is far more beneficial for the middle class and the poor than redistrubution?
IBD adds,“[T]he only ones doing well in Obama’s economy have been the ‘shrinking few’ Obama complains about. Wall Street investors have benefitted from a rising stock market – with the Dow now at 5 year highs – and corporate chiefs have seen profits climb 58% since June, 2009.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...
*******

What was it "THE FIVE" said tonight? 21 million adult children are still living with their parents, and 45% don't have jobs. Yeh, the economy is doing great!
Jay

Springville, TN

#113121 Aug 3, 2013
Remember the debate between Obama and Romney? When they were talking Obama made the statement that the rich stashed their money abroad, basically accusing Romney of this. And when he got called on it, Romney asked him why he invested his money abroad. Obama refused to answer the question posed to him twice. All he said in response to this was, "Proceed Governor!" The pot calling the kettle black, no pun intended.

Obama says there are loopholes in our tax code, but refuses to say what they are, yet during the campaign he blasted Romney in his ads accusing him of not wanting to say which loopholes he (Romney) would close. Now he's doing the same exact thing. Another pot calling the kettle black, no pun intended.

Obama: Top Tax Rate Should Be 28% for Corporations, 40% for Small Businesses

http://www.weeklystandard.com :80/blogs/obama-top-tax-rate-s hould-be-28-corporations-40-sm all-business_742312.html
Jay

Springville, TN

#113122 Aug 3, 2013
The New York Times reports that President Obama is reviving an old proposal to lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent (and 25 percent for manufacturers). Obama's push to lower the corporate tax rate to 28 percent comes less than a year after he raised the top individual income tax rate, paid by many small businesses, to 39.6 percent.

In a speech delivered Tuesday afternoon, Obama did not explain why he thinks it's a sound economic idea to raise the top marginal tax rate on small businesses but lower it for corporations.

"Right now, our tax code is so riddled with wasteful loopholes that many companies doing the right thing and investing in America pay 35%, while the corporations with the best accountants stash their money abroad and pay little or nothing at all," Obama said, according to the text of his prepared remarks. "I’m willing to simplify our tax code in a way that closes those loopholes, ends incentives to ship jobs overseas, and lowers rates for businesses that create jobs right here in America."

Neither Obama's Tuesday speech nor his February 2012 corporate tax reform plan explained in detail which loopholes would be closed. During the 2012 presidential campaign, the Obama campaign hammered Mitt Romney for not saying which loopholes he would close to pay for a proposed reduction in individual income tax rates.
look whos typing

Winchester, KY

#113124 Aug 3, 2013
American Lady wrote:
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Have FUN in your FAKE political atmosphere!
Used to be a grand & traditional thing.
No more ...
Lots of lies and innuendo pass by there!
But have fun anyways ...
you Brownnoser you :D
Fancy Farm no picnic for Senate candidates
Annual political event in Kentucky will test mettle
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130801/N...
Toodles ...
You calling SOMEONE a "BROWNNOSER" LOL. LOL. Have FUN watching the "FOX" Looking at a Drawed Together Long Face Squinted Little Bitty Eyes "LONG NOSE" Turtle Looking Alien !! Holding America Hostage For The "RICH NOT TO PAY THEIR TAXES" While the dumb Repubicans don't have the SENSE to Know It !!!!. All you Teabaggers Belong on a "FANCY FARM" !!!. With only a cup of TEA a couple times of the year. And only have FOX NETWORK and Listen to SQUICKY BLABBER MOUTH " WINK WINK" Twenty four hours a day !!!. Ya Betha, Ya Betha, Ya Betha. Teabaggers did she come up with that ? I doubt it she can't think just "WINK" !!! DITCH MITCH !!!!!.

Since: Oct 11

Sikeston, MO

#113126 Aug 3, 2013
wtf wrote:
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Here's your post. I have heard people, such as yourself, throw their slurs of banshee and savage, etc. at me. Banshee is a mythical Irish woman but has been long referred to Native American women by racists.
Dig on that awhile, racist.
Your argument holds no water.Better check your bucket for leaks!
Even in some Native American tribes the banshee is a mythical figure,but when i typed the comment mind set was the Irish version. So if I offended any mythical spirits Native American or other wise...I do apologize and also if I ever make negative remarks toward mermaids then I also apologize!
So if you ever read a true racist comment from me please feel free to point it out,but in this case a little humility may go along way.
Better luck next time!

PEACE
tofy

“ Trumpanzees...”

Level 1

Since: Apr 13

..a basket of deplorables

#113127 Aug 3, 2013
You drank the wine but it tastes like water.
You broke the bread but it had turned to stone.
Your sacrament, it lay scattered on the pavement
And the covenants you kept have all been stolen and sold
.......
Why aren't the Republicans tossing virgins into volcanoes? You know, something that really works.

They don't like Obamacare? Why doesn't the House vote to repeal it? Done.

Why not start a new Party, "For hunters, and guys that want to have a little fun."...name it after a gay sex act.

Hell, call your exorcist called it: The Stupid Party

Hell, call it 'The Grand Ole One legged Frigid Midget Club'...then wonder why no one under 50 will ever join it, again.

RIP GOP

So many miles you've been out of direction,
So many signs but you ain't got nowhere to go.
Your Cadillac's got it's lights disconnected, Rolling your wheels down the wrong side of the road.



RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113128 Aug 3, 2013
Alison Lundergan Grimes Talks Abortion As She Unfurls Policy Positions

PADUCAH, Ky.-– Sitting at a mahogany table on her new campaign bus, Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes used her first substantive interview on issues to toss a nasty jab at her foe, Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell, and to begin unveiling her own positions in the high-profile Kentucky Senate race.

With an icy smile, the 34-year-old Grimes scoffed at the notion that she was philosophically or politically close to President Barack Obama, who is so unpopular here that he is mentioned by Kentucky Democrats fewer times than Voldemort ever was at Hogwarts.

“The president and I disagree on a lot of things,” she said.“Sen. McConnell will use the same tactics that the GOP has used in other red states, and try to claim that I was a cheerleader for President Obama.

“Well, I am as much a cheerleader for President Obama as Sen. McConnell is a Chippendale dancer.”
It was funny -– and definitely not nice. Even the thought of the doughy, 71-year-old McConnell in a dancer’s outfit might be enough to cost him a sixth term.

In a wide-ranging, half-hour interview, Grimes, the Kentucky secretary of state and presumptive Democratic Senate nominee for 2014, told me that she was pro-choice down the line on abortion, and that she would delay the Affordable Care Act’s requirement that small businesses provide medical coverage to their employees.

The two statements were her first substantive comments on policy matters. Until now she has spent most of her time attacking McConnell as the embodiment of all that is corrupt and unproductive about Washington.

The interview took place on the eve of the 133rd annual Fancy Farm Picnic, a church-sponsored day of politicking and speechifying on a rural expanse in the far-western Purchase region of Kentucky.
Grimes is one of five daughters in a devout Catholic family in Lexington.“I am a practicing Catholic,” she told me.“But I’m also for separation of church and state. I am supportive of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. And I think that this is the kind of choice that has to be up to the woman, her God and her doctor.”

On the Affordable Care Act -– Obama’s signature legislative measure -– Grimes was cautiously critical.“I am troubled by some of the provisions,” she said, and for the first time said exactly which one.

“There are 700,000 businesses in Kentucky and I am concerned that especially the smaller ones are overburdened,” she said.

Her suggestion: delay the imposition of the coverage mandate on small business, as the president already has done for larger corporations.
“The mandate will not work for many small businesses in Kentucky,” she said,“so I believe that a delay is the right course so that changes can be made.”

She also blasted McConnell for wanting to abandon the law altogether, pointing out that the state’s health ratings are among the worst in the nation, and that other provisions in the law will extend coverage to an estimated 600,000 more Kentuckians.
“Unlike Sen. McConnell, I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water,” she said. Of course McConnell is being blasted by tea party conservatives for his refusal -– so far -– to sign a letter that would force the issue by tying the next budget and debt-ceiling bills to the “defunding” of the ACA.

“He has a tightrope to walk,” Grimes observed, not sympathetically.

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DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113129 Aug 3, 2013
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Her opening gambits on the issues are revealing for what they show about her beliefs and the strategy -- disagree with Washington Democratic orthodoxy when she can; hew to it when it is useful.

A pure pro-choice view is a must in the Democratic Party, if for no other reason than so many women activists are motivated to vote for –- and work for -– the party because of their strong belief in that view.

Grimes clearly wants to tap the fast-growing power of women in the Democratic Party, a phenomenon with a surprisingly long history in Kentucky politics.

She stressed the female mentors in her life -– a teacher who taught her rhetoric, her mother and grandmothers, her four sisters. She proudly stated that she is the “youngest female secretary of state in the nation.”

It sounded like a rather obscure claim when she made it at the Marshall County Bean Supper in nearby Kentucky Lakes on Friday night.
But it drew a big round of applause -– even bigger than the one Marshall County Judge/Executive Mike Miller got when he auctioned off a donated “whole hog” for $350.

Her speech was primarily sound-bitten attacks on McConnell. It was well received, if only because Democratic loyalists deeply despise McConnell.
But to win -– she is in a dead-heat in some recent polls –- she will have to come of age on the fly in the midst of a grueling, 15-month race from here to November 2014.

Nobody really knows who she is or what she really stands for, but she began the process of saying so Friday night.

Next stop, Fancy Farm.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/03/alis...

Hope she kicks turtleman's ass today. Maybe Grandrand can get that $350 hog for him to share with turtleman. They are both PIGS.

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113130 Aug 3, 2013
'NOT IN TUNE': GOP Officials Work Against Republican 'Crazies'

Republicans Go On Attack Against Others In GOP

WASHINGTON -- The barbs are personal, the differences are multiplying among Republicans, a party divided over spending, foreign policy, a willingness to risk a government shutdown in order to defund the health care law and more.
"I didn't start this one and I don't plan on starting things by criticizing other Republicans," Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said recently as he and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie likened one another to various cuts of a butchered pig.

"But if they want to make me the target, they will get it back in spades."

No matter who started it, in the past few months, one Republican called others "wacko birds," another said some of the party's lawmakers were "stale and moss-covered" and a third suggested one member of the GOP was a tool of the White House.

A recent flare-up over defunding the health law prompted Texas Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas to question the political manhood of fellow Republicans unwilling to risk closing down the government over the future of "Obamacare," as GOP critics call the law they want to repeal. "They're scared of being beaten up politically," he said.

Not all the disagreements are dipped in acrimony. Some are re-emerging after the party papered over its differences in an unsuccessful campaign to defeat President Barack Obama last year. This spring, 14 Senate Republicans supported legislation that included a chance at citizenship for millions living in the country illegally. The other 32 opposed it, including the entire top leadership.

In some cases, though, policy or strategic differences are overshadowed as Republicans simply call one another names, a type of clash that frequently pits newer, tea party-backed lawmakers against more experienced conservatives.

Two months ago, Sen. John McCain of Arizona likened Cruz, Paul and others to "wacko birds" for their style of confrontational politics.

Republican Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan responded from across the Capitol. "Bravo, senator. You got us. Did you come up with that at (hash)DinnerWithBarack?" he tweeted, a none-too-subtle suggestion that McCain was parroting a line he had heard at the White House.

Paul responded a short while later to McCain, the party's 2008 presidential candidate and a fifth-term senator. "The GOP of old has grown stale and moss-covered. I don't think we need to name any names, do we?" he told an audience of conservatives.

Other, more recent clashes appear born of political calculations, and fall just shy of personal criticism.

Cruz, along with Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Marco Rubio of Florida, recently urged Republicans to swear off voting for any year-end spending bill that includes money for the health law.

Others countered that the result could be a partial shutdown of the government and a political windfall for Democrats.

"I think it's the dumbest idea I've ever heard," said Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C. "Some of these guys need to understand that if you shut down the federal government, you better have a specific reason to do it that's achievable."

Burr was in the House nearly two decades ago when Republicans threatened they would shut down the government in hopes of winning spending concessions from President Bill Clinton. They followed through, but were eventually forced into a retreat as the White House held firm and public opinion turned against them.

All Republicans say they want to repeal the health law. But the tea party-backed campaign has thrust some lawmakers into difficult positions as they juggle competing political imperatives.

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Will turtleman be a teabagger or Grand OLD Party of NO at Fancy Farm today. hahaha

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#113131 Aug 3, 2013
Continued:

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has refrained from signing the letter circulated by Lee, Cruz and others, even though he faces a primary challenge from the right in his re-election campaign in Kentucky.

The second-ranking GOP leader, Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, signed the letter, then removed his name. A spokeswoman, Megan Mitchell, said that after the senator reviewed the document, which he already signed, he "felt the best approach" was legislation advanced by Cruz to "actually defund Obamacare."

Differences among rank-and-file lawmakers make for bipartisan agreements, as on the immigration bill, but they also can make it hard for party leaders to negotiate effectively with the White House and Democrats.

Ironically, the consequences of a lack of party unity were clearly on display recently when Republicans were able to exploit a split between Obama and Senate Democrats over student loan legislation.

Among Republicans, disagreements over foreign policy and national security are "normal, kind of an ideological contest that's been with the party in the 20th century and will be in the 21st," said McCain, referring to an isolationist strain within the GOP that last flourished decades ago.

In the case of government surveillance, Republicans who might have swallowed their misgivings when President George W. Bush was in the White House are freer to express them.
Elected in 2010, Paul has been sharply critical of widespread National Security Agency surveillance in the wake of recent disclosures. But so, too, has Rep. James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, a 35-year veteran of Congress.

He sided with Amash and others in both parties recently in voting to restrict the NSA's activities. Sensenbrenner noted that he was the principal author of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act, first passed in 2001 after the Sept. 11 attacks, and worked to reapprove the measure five years later.

Now, he said, the NSA is conducting surveillance far beyond what was envisioned, and "the time has come to stop it."

Once again, one Republican pleaded with others to think back only a few years. "Have 12 years gone by and our memories faded so badly that we've forgotten what happened on Sept. 11," asked Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The disagreements extend beyond the Beltway.
Paul and Christie recently engaged in a running battle that befits a pair of rivals for the presidential nomination – which they may someday be.

They warmed up with a spat over national security, then moved on to spending.

Paul referred to the costs of repairing damage caused by Superstorm Sandy last fall, and said Christie and GOP Rep. Peter King of New York "are the people who are bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense."

Two days later, Christie said he had "nothing personal" against Paul, then unloaded.
"I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a `gimme, gimme, gimme' attitude toward federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington. Interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington," he said.

"So if Sen. Paul wants to start looking at where he's going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start looking at the pork barrel spending he brings home to Kentucky."

Pork?(Hope he had a bid in on that $350 hog)

Paul evidently prefers a different breakfast portion.

The following day, he called Christie the "king of bacon."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/03/repu...

Grandrand and turtleman should be poster kids for the Dems in the next elections. What have they done for Kentucky except embarrass the hell of us.

LOVE it when they eat their own. lol

DITCH MITCH

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Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has refrained from signing the letter circulated by Lee, Cruz and others, even though he faces a primary challenge from the right in his re-election campaign in Kentucky.
The second-ranking GOP leader, Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, signed the letter, then removed his name. A spokeswoman, Megan Mitchell, said that after the senator reviewed the document, which he already signed, he "felt the best approach" was legislation advanced by Cruz to "actually defund Obamacare."
Differences among rank-and-file lawmakers make for bipartisan agreements, as on the immigration bill, but they also can make it hard for party leaders to negotiate effectively with the White House and Democrats.
Ironically, the consequences of a lack of party unity were clearly on display recently when Republicans were able to exploit a split between Obama and Senate Democrats over student loan legislation.
Among Republicans, disagreements over foreign policy and national security are "normal, kind of an ideological contest that's been with the party in the 20th century and will be in the 21st," said McCain, referring to an isolationist strain within the GOP that last flourished decades ago.
In the case of government surveillance, Republicans who might have swallowed their misgivings when President George W. Bush was in the White House are freer to express them.
Elected in 2010, Paul has been sharply critical of widespread National Security Agency surveillance in the wake of recent disclosures. But so, too, has Rep. James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, a 35-year veteran of Congress.
He sided with Amash and others in both parties recently in voting to restrict the NSA's activities. Sensenbrenner noted that he was the principal author of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act, first passed in 2001 after the Sept. 11 attacks, and worked to reapprove the measure five years later.
Now, he said, the NSA is conducting surveillance far beyond what was envisioned, and "the time has come to stop it."
Once again, one Republican pleaded with others to think back only a few years. "Have 12 years gone by and our memories faded so badly that we've forgotten what happened on Sept. 11," asked Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
The disagreements extend beyond the Beltway.
Paul and Christie recently engaged in a running battle that befits a pair of rivals for the presidential nomination – which they may someday be.
They warmed up with a spat over national security, then moved on to spending.
Paul referred to the costs of repairing damage caused by Superstorm Sandy last fall, and said Christie and GOP Rep. Peter King of New York "are the people who are bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense."
Two days later, Christie said he had "nothing personal" against Paul, then unloaded.
"I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a `gimme, gimme, gimme' attitude toward federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington. Interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington," he said.
"So if Sen. Paul wants to start looking at where he's going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start looking at the pork barrel spending he brings home to Kentucky."
Pork?(Hope he had a bid in on that $350 hog)
Paul evidently prefers a different breakfast portion.
The following day, he called Christie the "king of bacon."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/03/repu...
Grandrand and turtleman should be poster kids for the Dems in the next elections. What have they done for Kentucky except embarrass the hell of us.
LOVE it when they eat their own. lol
DITCH MITCH
Your post's gave me an idea...
Spam sandwich!
and ice cold buttermilk.

From all those words; and all those posts...thanks for the idea.
:b

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