the Jahi McMath case
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just sayin

Owensboro, KY

#1 Dec 30, 2013
So, have any of you kept up with this case? She went in for a tonsillectomy on the 9th and suffered complications. She was declared brain dead on the 12th. This has been confirmed by three doctors. Her family continues to fight to keep her on a ventilator. I'm sorry, she is dead. If she were white, it would be over already. Her mother has raised over $25,000 to transfer to a long term care facility. Anyone else find this crazy?! Btw, I realize she is 13 years old, but seriously, maybe it's time to let
her go. Tests show that she has no blood flow to her brain and no electrical activity in her brain. Her mother insists that she is alive due to the fact that her heart is beating. Medical personnel say this is due to the ventilator. Thoughts?
well

Princeton, KY

#2 Dec 30, 2013
just sayin wrote:
So, have any of you kept up with this case? She went in for a tonsillectomy on the 9th and suffered complications. She was declared brain dead on the 12th. This has been confirmed by three doctors. Her family continues to fight to keep her on a ventilator. I'm sorry, she is dead. If she were white, it would be over already. Her mother has raised over $25,000 to transfer to a long term care facility. Anyone else find this crazy?! Btw, I realize she is 13 years old, but seriously, maybe it's time to let
her go. Tests show that she has no blood flow to her brain and no electrical activity in her brain. Her mother insists that she is alive due to the fact that her heart is beating. Medical personnel say this is due to the ventilator. Thoughts?
Complications from tonsillectomies are rare. They usually take away a MD's license for botching a procedure like this. I hope the family has a great attorney. God bless this family.
hmmm

Owensboro, KY

#3 Dec 30, 2013
well wrote:
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Complications from tonsillectomies are rare. They usually take away a MD's license for botching a procedure like this. I hope the family has a great attorney. God bless this family.
not ttue. Actually the risks rise with age.
syndi

Greenville, KY

#4 Dec 30, 2013
This girl went in for a routine tonsillectomy and came out brain dead. I dont think any person black or white or orange or purple would cope with that very well. Doctors do this surgery day in and day out so when you send your kid in to get their tonsils out you can not fathom that you will have to bury them. As a mother I find this heartbreaking and if the mother needs time to cope and let go I dont think we should judge her. This is just tragic.
well

Princeton, KY

#5 Dec 30, 2013
hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>not ttue. Actually the risks rise with age.
It's one of the easier surgical procedures. She is just a child. I know tons of people that have tonsillectomies
well

Princeton, KY

#6 Dec 30, 2013
As adults. The docs really screwed this up.
just sayin

Owensboro, KY

#7 Dec 30, 2013
I agree it's tragic, but it's been three weeks. Maybe it's time to realize that maybe she is gone. I honestly think its a race thing, I'm sorry, but I do. The girl even told her mom before the surgery that she felt something would go wrong. I'm sure the mom is kicking herself now. As a parent, I know I would be. I'm sorry if I come off as a hater, it just seems stupid to me that even after three doctors have pronounced her brain dead, and the coroner, that the family would continue to hold on. I realize that that's their baby and I pray nobody has to face that situation, but it seems crazy to me. Now they have an extension on the time. I hope for a miracle, it is however unlikely in this case. To the person who said they hope the family has a lawyer, I'm sure they do. After surgery, when she started bleeding, the family was basically left to tend to her on their own. If the medical team had paid more attention to her, maybe this would have been helped and ended differently. Either way, regardless of who is at fault, the fact remains that medically, three doctors and the coroner have pronounced her brain dead. I'm interested to see how this story plays out. I pray for the best for all those involved.
really

Owensboro, KY

#8 Dec 30, 2013
just sayin wrote:
I agree it's tragic, but it's been three weeks. Maybe it's time to realize that maybe she is gone. I honestly think its a race thing, I'm sorry, but I do. The girl even told her mom before the surgery that she felt something would go wrong. I'm sure the mom is kicking herself now. As a parent, I know I would be. I'm sorry if I come off as a hater, it just seems stupid to me that even after three doctors have pronounced her brain dead, and the coroner, that the family would continue to hold on. I realize that that's their baby and I pray nobody has to face that situation, but it seems crazy to me. Now they have an extension on the time. I hope for a miracle, it is however unlikely in this case. To the person who said they hope the family has a lawyer, I'm sure they do. After surgery, when she started bleeding, the family was basically left to tend to her on their own. If the medical team had paid more attention to her, maybe this would have been helped and ended differently. Either way, regardless of who is at fault, the fact remains that medically, three doctors and the coroner have pronounced her brain dead. I'm interested to see how this story plays out. I pray for the best for all those involved.
Let this be your daughter and see if you would do the same.... I would.. miracles happen every day. May god bless them and there family. Praying for them! Shame on you for your race comment. Someone always wants to pull the race card JUST SAYN. Praying for you also.
just sayin

Owensboro, KY

#9 Dec 30, 2013
really wrote:
<quoted text>Let this be your daughter and see if you would do the same.... I would.. miracles happen every day. May god bless them and there family. Praying for them! Shame on you for your race comment. Someone always wants to pull the race card JUST SAYN. Praying for you also.
It is a race thing, in my opinion. If it was my daughter, I would take the advice of the four people who are highly educated medical professionals. She isn't responding to anything. Get a clue. And like it or not, we are all entitled to our own beliefs, opinions and views.
you might be racist

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Dec 31, 2013
I don't think this is a "race thing" as much as it is a "13 year old child thing". In fact, I hadn't given a second thought about this family's skin color until I read your comments.
just sayin

Owensboro, KY

#11 Dec 31, 2013
you might be racist wrote:
I don't think this is a "race thing" as much as it is a "13 year old child thing". In fact, I hadn't given a second thought about this family's skin color until I read your comments.
I am far from being racist. The reality is people, kids, teens, adults and elders die everyday. This is the first national case that's been in the media. I feel bad for her and her family, but it's stupid at this point. Medically and legally, she's not living.
you might be racist

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Dec 31, 2013
"If she were white it would be over already."

Sorry, but there's the smoking gun. I'm not sure how else to interpret that statement.
you might be racist

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Dec 31, 2013
syndi wrote:
This girl went in for a routine tonsillectomy and came out brain dead. I dont think any person black or white or orange or purple would cope with that very well. Doctors do this surgery day in and day out so when you send your kid in to get their tonsils out you can not fathom that you will have to bury them. As a mother I find this heartbreaking and if the mother needs time to cope and let go I dont think we should judge her. This is just tragic.
I agree with your viewpoint. The fact that this mother is losing her child over a routine procedure has nothing to do with skin color. Cutting off life support to your child isn't like putting the old family dog down to sleep.
just sayin

Owensboro, KY

#14 Dec 31, 2013
you might be racist wrote:
"If she were white it would be over already."

Sorry, but there's the smoking gun. I'm not sure how else to interpret that statement.
Here's the thing, I don't hate blacks, whites, or any race. Here's a better detailed explanation: in my opinion, some people have a tendency to be overly dramatic about situations. Stereotypically, it's the black person having the drama fest. White woman, and people of all colors can get overdramatic, but usually, it's the black women who are known for being loud and over dramatic to get their way. My thought was that had Jahi been white, her family would have accepted it and not wanted to embarrass themselves publicly, as I feel her family has. If you want to call me racist, so be it, I can't stop you. I don't hate blacks or any other race for that matter. I hate the over dramatic attention seeking behavior that is being displayed by her family. If it were a white family in the same situation, I would feel the same way, they need to realize she's gone.
you might be racist

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Dec 31, 2013
You do realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? "I'm not racist....... but black people act like this and white people act like this." This woman isn't being "loud and over dramatic" over a pair of shoes, it's her own child for crying out loud. How can you say what you would do in her position?
A Mom

United States

#16 Dec 31, 2013
just sayin wrote:
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Here's the thing, I don't hate blacks, whites, or any race. Here's a better detailed explanation: in my opinion, some people have a tendency to be overly dramatic about situations. Stereotypically, it's the black person having the drama fest. White woman, and people of all colors can get overdramatic, but usually, it's the black women who are known for being loud and over dramatic to get their way. My thought was that had Jahi been white, her family would have accepted it and not wanted to embarrass themselves publicly, as I feel her family has. If you want to call me racist, so be it, I can't stop you. I don't hate blacks or any other race for that matter. I hate the over dramatic attention seeking behavior that is being displayed by her family. If it were a white family in the same situation, I would feel the same way, they need to realize she's gone.
I fail to see how it is possible to be "overly dramatic" about your child dying. I agree with some of your opinions, but in this case, I don't see it. The woman's child is dying. I would probably not be able to pull the plug so soon either. I can't imagine how she must feel. If she did pull the plug, she would always wonder if she had waited just a little longer of the girl would have recovered. It would be a very hard thing to live with. As long as the girl isn't suffering, I don't see any problem with the family wanting to keep her on life support. It's their choice.
syndi

Greenville, KY

#17 Dec 31, 2013
just sayin wrote:
I agree it's tragic, but it's been three weeks. Maybe it's time to realize that maybe she is gone. I honestly think its a race thing, I'm sorry, but I do. The girl even told her mom before the surgery that she felt something would go wrong. I'm sure the mom is kicking herself now. As a parent, I know I would be. I'm sorry if I come off as a hater, it just seems stupid to me that even after three doctors have pronounced her brain dead, and the coroner, that the family would continue to hold on. I realize that that's their baby and I pray nobody has to face that situation, but it seems crazy to me. Now they have an extension on the time. I hope for a miracle, it is however unlikely in this case. To the person who said they hope the family has a lawyer, I'm sure they do. After surgery, when she started bleeding, the family was basically left to tend to her on their own. If the medical team had paid more attention to her, maybe this would have been helped and ended differently. Either way, regardless of who is at fault, the fact remains that medically, three doctors and the coroner have pronounced her brain dead. I'm interested to see how this story plays out. I pray for the best for all those involved.
Do you have kids? I have to wonder after your statement that its been three weeks. Is that the appropriate time it takes to accept your childs death. Im sorry but thats nuts. This doctor and hospital royally screwed up. If that mother wants that girl on child support til shes 40 they should say yes ma'am and accomodate her wishes. Perhaps it is a race thing in which if she were white you would support this poor mother.
syndi

Greenville, KY

#18 Dec 31, 2013
just sayin wrote:
<quoted text>It is a race thing, in my opinion. If it was my daughter, I would take the advice of the four people who are highly educated medical professionals. She isn't responding to anything. Get a clue. And like it or not, we are all entitled to our own beliefs, opinions and views.
It was highly trained professional that did this to the girl...really, you would trust them?
sad

Owensboro, KY

#19 Dec 31, 2013
People often go in to surgery with a false sense of security. All surgeries have risks. The risks of possible complications was explained. A parent signed the consent form. The end result wasn't wanted by any of anyone. The facts are the facts. The child isn't going to recover. Nor can the family or the hospital pay to have her on life support the rest of her life.
just sayin

Owensboro, KY

#20 Dec 31, 2013
A Mom wrote:
<quoted text>I fail to see how it is possible to be "overly dramatic" about your child dying. I agree with some of your opinions, but in this case, I don't see it. The woman's child is dying. I would probably not be able to pull the plug so soon either. I can't imagine how she must feel. If she did pull the plug, she would always wonder if she had waited just a little longer of the girl would have recovered. It would be a very hard thing to live with. As long as the girl isn't suffering, I don't see any problem with the family wanting to keep her on life support. It's their choice.
Legally, and ethically, they say its not their choice anymore. Medically, she's not living. I have a friend who was injured in auto accident and declared brain dead as well. Her parents accepted it, took her off life support and let her go. I just don't understand why they are fighting to keep her on life support. She was pronounced on the 12th. She's made no response since then. I respect everyone's opinion and am simply voicing mine. To me, the whole thing seems crazy. The doctors have refused to do the two surgeries needed to move her, a tracheotomy and a feeding tube, stating they don't feel it's ethical to perform surgery on a deceased person. The family has raised the money to have her moved to New York for care and the coroner has signed saying they can move her body across state lines. I pray that it works out in the end, however that may be.

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