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Nick

Owensboro, KY

#85 Jan 25, 2013
I think you should mention my wife, or any of my family for that matter in person, to my face at the "little" jobsite your supposidly working at. You think your a genius, because..? I have always been for equality and freedom. Excessive government rules and regulations take that away. If you cant comprehend that, go to that bathroom your supposed to finish working on tomorrow and blow your brains out. You form these opinions of what you think others are about, and you dont even know them, or any thing about them. I think you have a mental disorder. You have imagined several different people are saying things they havent even said throughout this post. read back through, and decide who the imbecile is.

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#87 Jan 25, 2013
Nick wrote:
I think you should mention my wife, or any of my family for that matter in person, to my face at the "little" jobsite your supposidly working at. You think your a genius, because..? I have always been for equality and freedom. Excessive government rules and regulations take that away. If you cant comprehend that, go to that bathroom your supposed to finish working on tomorrow and blow your brains out. You form these opinions of what you think others are about, and you dont even know them, or any thing about them. I think you have a mental disorder. You have imagined several different people are saying things they havent even said throughout this post. read back through, and decide who the imbecile is.
I never said I was a genius. I KNOW I'm not. But I'm not stupid or naive. I'm no one's bitch. You now seem hyped up to fight. Is that what you want? You wanna fight me?

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#88 Jan 25, 2013
Nick wrote:
I think you should mention my wife, or any of my family for that matter in person, to my face at the "little" jobsite your supposidly working at. You think your a genius, because..? I have always been for equality and freedom. Excessive government rules and regulations take that away. If you cant comprehend that, go to that bathroom your supposed to finish working on tomorrow and blow your brains out. You form these opinions of what you think others are about, and you dont even know them, or any thing about them. I think you have a mental disorder. You have imagined several different people are saying things they havent even said throughout this post. read back through, and decide who the imbecile is.
No 'Nick', I don't think I'm imagining anything at all. I think you don't like me. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not not coming back to Kentucky because YOU don't like me. I'm NOT not posting in the Owensboro forum because you don't want me to. I may have confused Real Old School when he jumped in. Yep, guilty. You got me. I have pretty fair reading comprehension skills and I'm pretty confident I got the exact point you were trying to make every time you opened your mouth hole. You don't need to try and back pedal now. I know, you've got an awesome job and you make lot's of money. I'm a weak 'outsider' who doesn't belong here anyhow. Got it.
Ex Republican

Paducah, KY

#89 Jan 25, 2013
big package wrote:
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That is actually very close to how I think THEY would like to see things. We work to make them money. They grant us the privilege of working for whatever they deem 'fair'. They make all the rules. We are powerless to resist and desperate enough that we'll do anything THEY say. Think I'm full of sh*t? It's Mr. Potter (from It's a Wonderful Life) meets the 'robber barons' of the 1880's. That's what America needs in 2013? God I hope not in my lifetime.
I'm a professionally trained historian/political scientist and I can't figure out how and why the ideology of the grass roots Right developed the way it has and where it is headed. At first I thought that it was just the Reagan Revolution going to seed like New Deal liberalism did in the 1980s. I thought it would run its course and the Eisenhower type Republicans would pull the GOP back to its traditional moderately-right-of-center position. But instead it turned into something that looks almost like the period in the French Revolution when the Jacobins decided that the revolution was not revolutionary enough or the similar situation that happened during the Cultural Revolution in China. Just look at all the situations where Tea Party / Christian Reconstructionist types have unseated traditionally conservative Republican incumbents in primaries because they were not far enough to the Right.

The biggest thing I can't figure out is how the working class came to identify with the rich. The matter of taxes on the rich is a case in point. The richest people are paying lower taxes now than at any time since 1945, yet the working class seems to think that increasing taxes on the richest 3 percent means increase their own taxes. They also do not grasp that today the richest 1 percent of Americans control far more of the total wealth than at any time since the 1920s and that their portion of the wealth is increasing while that of everybody else is shrinking. Sam Walton's heirs, for example, have more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of Americans combined. But when you tell the independent grocery story owner in a little town in KY that the taxes on the rich need to be increased and the wealth redistributed in order to keep the economy going he parrots, "But you can't penalize success."

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#90 Jan 25, 2013
Ex Republican wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a professionally trained historian/political scientist and I can't figure out how and why the ideology of the grass roots Right developed the way it has and where it is headed. At first I thought that it was just the Reagan Revolution going to seed like New Deal liberalism did in the 1980s. I thought it would run its course and the Eisenhower type Republicans would pull the GOP back to its traditional moderately-right-of-center position. But instead it turned into something that looks almost like the period in the French Revolution when the Jacobins decided that the revolution was not revolutionary enough or the similar situation that happened during the Cultural Revolution in China. Just look at all the situations where Tea Party / Christian Reconstructionist types have unseated traditionally conservative Republican incumbents in primaries because they were not far enough to the Right.
The biggest thing I can't figure out is how the working class came to identify with the rich. The matter of taxes on the rich is a case in point. The richest people are paying lower taxes now than at any time since 1945, yet the working class seems to think that increasing taxes on the richest 3 percent means increase their own taxes. They also do not grasp that today the richest 1 percent of Americans control far more of the total wealth than at any time since the 1920s and that their portion of the wealth is increasing while that of everybody else is shrinking. Sam Walton's heirs, for example, have more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of Americans combined. But when you tell the independent grocery story owner in a little town in KY that the taxes on the rich need to be increased and the wealth redistributed in order to keep the economy going he parrots, "But you can't penalize success."
Brilliant. I think not only do they control more wealth, their percentage is increasing rapidly. My bottom line -'Is this what we really want for ourselves as a country?' I'd say no, but I agree that many people who 'should' have no business supporting such an agenda are fully on board. Hell, they're rowing.

Level 1

Since: Dec 12

Owensboro, KY

#91 Jan 25, 2013
Ex Republican wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a professionally trained historian/political scientist and I can't figure out how and why the ideology of the grass roots Right developed the way it has and where it is headed. At first I thought that it was just the Reagan Revolution going to seed like New Deal liberalism did in the 1980s. I thought it would run its course and the Eisenhower type Republicans would pull the GOP back to its traditional moderately-right-of-center position. But instead it turned into something that looks almost like the period in the French Revolution when the Jacobins decided that the revolution was not revolutionary enough or the similar situation that happened during the Cultural Revolution in China. Just look at all the situations where Tea Party / Christian Reconstructionist types have unseated traditionally conservative Republican incumbents in primaries because they were not far enough to the Right.

The biggest thing I can't figure out is how the working class came to identify with the rich. The matter of taxes on the rich is a case in point. The richest people are paying lower taxes now than at any time since 1945, yet the working class seems to think that increasing taxes on the richest 3 percent means increase their own taxes. They also do not grasp that today the richest 1 percent of Americans control far more of the total wealth than at any time since the 1920s and that their portion of the wealth is increasing while that of everybody else is shrinking. Sam Walton's heirs, for example, have more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of Americans combined. But when you tell the independent grocery story owner in a little town in KY that the taxes on the rich need to be increased and the wealth redistributed in order to keep the economy going he parrots, "But you can't penalize success."
It's not as much the taxing of the rich that we disagree with as much as it is the wasteful government spending. The left just wants to tax more so they can spend more. And spend recklessly they will. During his inaugural speech he mentioned every leftist agenda possible and not once mentioned getting our financial crisis under control. The problem is that our government has become too big and feels its sole purpose is to make sure that those successful people are taxed enough to take care of the unsuccessful people. Our country is moving in the wrong direction. We are becoming a welfare state. That is undeniable. The numbers don't lie. When we learn to teach people how to survive on their own and become productive members of society instead of depending on the ones that know how to provide for theirselves, then, and only then, will we turn this country around. We are almost at a point of no return and nothing is being done to reverse that cycle.

The Republican party is split. But everyone seems to think all Republicans share the ideas of the Tea Party. Why? Because the media tells them so.
Jesse

Cadiz, KY

#92 Jan 25, 2013
We need these great leaders, we need democrats, we need liberals, we need Jesse Jackson to lead us, we need Al Sharptong to guide us, we need a government program...

Level 1

Since: Dec 12

Owensboro, KY

#93 Jan 25, 2013
big package wrote:
<quoted text>Brilliant. I think not only do they control more wealth, their percentage is increasing rapidly. My bottom line -'Is this what we really want for ourselves as a country?' I'd say no, but I agree that many people who 'should' have no business supporting such an agenda are fully on board. Hell, they're rowing.
They control more and more wealth because we allow the poor to continue to receive more and more handouts. When we increase the amount of what they get for free, what is their incentive to work? What is their incentive to become better? When we have a president who promises to give them more than they already have, what creates a drive to be better?

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#94 Jan 25, 2013
TheRealOldSchool wrote:
<quoted text>
They control more and more wealth because we allow the poor to continue to receive more and more handouts.
Wtf does that idiotic statement even mean? Do you even ever read this crap?

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#95 Jan 25, 2013
Jesse wrote:
We need these great leaders, we need democrats, we need liberals, we need Jesse Jackson to lead us, we need Al Sharptong to guide us, we need a government program...
I HATE Al Sharpton. And yet still I think I'd have to listen to him before you. I don't have anything in common with him, don't agree with his principles, but at least he speaks with some conviction, some passion. He has some ideas. Some ideals. Some thoughts. I don't agree with them and don't like him. But I've read about 20 of your posts now. Do you have ANY material at all? ANYTHING? I get it. YOU want a government program. It's not that funny. It wasn't THAT funny the first time. Now its just old. Winner.
Lol

United States

#96 Jan 25, 2013
big package wrote:
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Wtf does that idiotic statement even mean? Do you even ever read this crap?
You'll get nowhere if you're expecting to have a rational discussion with TheRealOldSchool, or whatever name he's posting under at the moment. I'm sure you've noticed by now that he can't form an original thought beyond his Republican talking points. Reading back on this very thread, you can see how he changes the subject and avoids answering when asked for proven facts on his Fox News dribble statements.

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#97 Jan 25, 2013
Lol wrote:
<quoted text>
You'll get nowhere if you're expecting to have a rational discussion with TheRealOldSchool, or whatever name he's posting under at the moment. I'm sure you've noticed by now that he can't form an original thought beyond his Republican talking points. Reading back on this very thread, you can see how he changes the subject and avoids answering when asked for proven facts on his Fox News dribble statements.
LOL is right. I DO get it. Thanks for slapping me though. Jesse I have another thought about entirely. I LOVE the NO government crowd. I'd love to put a mile high fence around the edge of their property. No TV, No radio, NO internet, nothing. No YOU can't drive on our road. Nope, you can keep your tax money. I wonder how long he'd last? Do I think there's government waste? Of course. Would I like to see budgetary cuts? Absolutely. I'd be willing to talk about it. Of course, because I like to imagine I'm a reasonable person. Go figure.

Thanks again for the heads up. I'm new to the antics.

Level 1

Since: Dec 12

Owensboro, KY

#98 Jan 25, 2013
big package wrote:
<quoted text>LOL is right. I DO get it. Thanks for slapping me though. Jesse I have another thought about entirely. I LOVE the NO government crowd. I'd love to put a mile high fence around the edge of their property. No TV, No radio, NO internet, nothing. No YOU can't drive on our road. Nope, you can keep your tax money. I wonder how long he'd last? Do I think there's government waste? Of course. Would I like to see budgetary cuts? Absolutely. I'd be willing to talk about it. Of course, because I like to imagine I'm a reasonable person. Go figure.

Thanks again for the heads up. I'm new to the antics.
Your twisting what I said. But that's not the first time someone has done that, nor will it be the last. Whatever it takes to get your point across. And sure, this guy uses MSNBC talking points as much as he claims I use Fox News talking points. I said LESS government, not zero government. Come on man, I thought you had a little sense. Now you are just starting to sound like the rest of them. Focus. I'm not saying your thoughts are idiotic, but you're so closed minded(I can tell by how demeaning you are), that you can't even have a debate or decent conversation.

There are more people dependent on government support every year. You really think the answer is just to take more and more from the earners? At what point do you stop? When it's not even worth being an earner? There is no denying the growing number of welfare recipients since Obama has been elected. Over 11,000 added per day since he took office. How do we keep paying for that? Take from those that earned right? Phil Mickelson lost 63% of his income last year to taxes. At some point, when we reach whatever percentage the dems think is enough to tax, earners at that level,outside of celebrity, are going to think its not worth the time and effort and not work as hard. What percentage is enough for the left to tax? 70%? 80%? Because there will come a point where either they've redistributed so much wealth that we've become a socialist nation or the divide between classes is so distant that we end up in districts hoping our kids aren't drawn in a lottery. Any scenario like that would be generations away, but you tell me how things are going to turn. If welfare recipients continue to rise, what is going to stop it? Over the last 4 years, the divide between the rich and the poor has widened. Sure, blame it on Bush. Are you still going to blame it on him in 4 years when that gap is wider? But hey, who cares right? At least gays will be able to marry. And mosques will be able to be built. And women be able to fight. Thank god for that. Because all of those are great for our crumbling, downward spiraling, near unrecoverable economy right? Socially, I am very liberal. But none of that will matter when China owns everything we have and the best I can strive to achieve is 20% of what I'm worth. But I'm just a Fox News dribbling, idiotic conservative like Chris Matthews and the rest of the media says right? I've opened my eyes. That's how I became a social liberal. It's time some other people opened theirs.
Bob

Tucker, GA

#100 Jan 26, 2013
big package wrote:
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Yeah sure buddy. I'm positive Obammie's skin color doesn't bother ANY of you, right? Rock on tard. It's all about the moral high ground with you guys isn't it? Oh God, you're offended... good, you should be. You're offensive.
Wait til there's a woman president. Hopefully a couple million wife beating, woman stomping "men" will just commit suicide 'en masse' as a national day of service.
Given the fact Obama is 50% black and 50% white, his skin color shouldn't matter to anyone. So, stop trying to play the race card. It's his policies that I disagree with. And due to that fact, you somehow think you get to make a bunch of assumptions about me that aren't true.

I really couldn't care less about what you think, or what you think you know about me.

I think this country is heading in the wrong direction due to facts.
Bob

Tucker, GA

#101 Jan 26, 2013
big package wrote:
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Ok, so NOW it's about 'fiscal responsibility' huh? How good of a steward of the pocketbook was George Bush the junior? Hmmm. How about it? Tell me how the Republicans are gonna fix everything. By privatization? Dream on. That's rich man code for steal ALL the money and redistribute it among the other rich. Privatization and the use of contractors in the DOD is a joke. Big corporations rob the government at the cost of tens of thousands of entry level jobs AND we get a lower quality product with less control. Brilliant.... if you own one of those companies. You think it's a coincidence rich business owners are the big supporters of this policy? Because it's good 'fiscal practice'? Bullsh*t. Because that's what slops their troughs that's why.
You really don't get it, do you?? It's not a "party" thing. It's a "what's best for the country" thing. While I believe the Republican Party has a better platform with regard to the social issues, neither party has shown fiscal responsibility. However, this current administration seems to think its our King, verses or servant. And yes, I said servant. Based on what every political says when they give their little speeches. They talk about"serving" the people. Neither this president nor you seem to get it!!
Bob

Tucker, GA

#102 Jan 26, 2013
truth wrote:
<quoted text>You have neither the information, perspective, ability, nor intelligence to possibly ascertain what may or may not be best for the "whole."
And you are basing that on what? Oh great one?
Robbie

Owensboro, KY

#103 Jan 26, 2013
Lol wrote:
<quoted text>
You'll get nowhere if you're expecting to have a rational discussion with TheRealOldSchool, or whatever name he's posting under at the moment. I'm sure you've noticed by now that he can't form an original thought beyond his Republican talking points. Reading back on this very thread, you can see how he changes the subject and avoids answering when asked for proven facts on his Fox News dribble statements.
Well said! He also frequently resorts to calling people that disagree with him stalkers. I always get a laugh at how he attacks people who ask him to show facts, only for him turn around and ask others to elaborate on their statements. That guy is a hypocrite in every sense of the word. I guess old school refers to "old school republican playbook".
summitcoalminer

Richmond, KY

#104 Jan 26, 2013
big package wrote:
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Do THEY understand the appropriate use of they're, there and their? Since THEY'RE so educated and rich. Every time you open your mouth hole you only serve to reinforce what the 'free men' in the rest of the country already know.
The saddest part of the entire story is you make it so difficult to support you in the areas where we actually agree because you're SO closed minded everywhere else. Go see what Fox thinks you should say next.
That was probably the most well put together series of posts I have seen on Topix yet.
summitcoalminer

Richmond, KY

#105 Jan 26, 2013
Nick wrote:
We the sheeple. Thats you, big package. And I would mop the ground with your stupid smart ass, if i felt that it was worth it. and I assure you, I know how to use grammar. I just made a simple mistake, as you have in disagreeing with plain to see facts. AND WORKING FOR... AS IN I AM A CONTRACTOR HIRED TO DO JOBS FOR BUILDERS AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR. You are a perfect example of whats wrong with America. Follow your government who has more control over our every day lives than was ever intended. America wasn't supposed to have a government who makes every decision for it's people. The government taxes businesses so heavily, that it is nearly impossible to be an entrepreneur. BIG BUSINESS RUNS EVERYTHING. Why should a few people get excessively rich, and everyone else make 8 bucks an hour? In the past, America was a better place, without so much government control. The freedom to operate and provide for one another, without excessive government interference is necessary to America. You, my friend are ignorant. Just remember, military is here to protect america, and the constitution. If you don't see that Obama uses what ever means necessary to fit his agenda, then you are the one who is close minded. For example, THERE wasn't an AR-15 used in the school shooting, and, as you SHOULD know, an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle any way. Fully automatic weapons are assault rifles, not a semi automatic rifle that holds more ammo. If you weren't brainwashed you'd find out that Obama should not even be eligible to be our president of the united states. Hopefully, you will start seeing things as they are someday. All of our products come from other countries. Were draining our own economy dry by sending all our money to other people. Using a grammatical error to discredit my statement was a very immature cheap shot. Do you need that to make your self feel smarter? BTW some of the greatest minds in American history lacked a formal education. College doesn't make people smart, or successful. The person does.
An AR-15 is an assault weapon. The ones you buy over the counter have the auto seer taken out. And didn't Obama show proof of citizenship? If thats all you can come to a fight with then I think you probably won't win very often.

“I'm almost awesome”

Level 5

Since: Dec 12

jersey city

#106 Jan 26, 2013
Bob wrote:
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And you are basing that on what? Oh great one?
So WHAT is you actual point Bob? You basically beat down everything I said with neither a reason or alternative. Still don't understand why I can't or won't take you seriously? Just another screaming imbecile whether you're ACTUALLY raising your voice or not. "I'm wrong" isn't an alternate proposal inspite of what YOU might think.

You're right, it's NOT about the party. I've already said at LEAST 3 times I'm NOT a party voter. The problem is the primary alternate party has lost it's way. Lost it's vision of what it could and should be. That's not MY problem, it's OUR problem.

You continuing to say 'you don't care about me or what I stand for' just continues this awesome stalemate YOU create.

Btw- you must not do much reading or comprehending of what I write either

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