Thy neighbor's energy usage

Thy neighbor's energy usage

There are 83 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 25, 2009, titled Thy neighbor's energy usage. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Darla Wondra figured her husband Dom and their three boys were pretty good when it came to energy efficiency - certainly no worse than average.

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Great Idea

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jul 26, 2009
Long overdue. This is a way to bring it home to American families how much energy they waste. If we priced energy to reward conservation, you'd see a drop in energy consumption, the need for fewer power plants, and a cleaner environment. America: you can be happy using less energy!
Gumby

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Jul 26, 2009
I was walking through the alley the other day when I noticed that the people next door had two grocery bags full of empty wine bottles. I was shocked that they seemed to be consuming more wine than should be necessary, since I happen to know that there are only two adults in that household.

It was then that I decided to write them a letter and politely suggest that perhaps they were consuming alcohol at a much higher rate than most of their neighbors and prudence suggests that they should more closely monitor this disparity.
Please

River Falls, WI

#3 Jul 26, 2009
Great Idea wrote:
Long overdue. This is a way to bring it home to American families how much energy they waste. If we priced energy to reward conservation, you'd see a drop in energy consumption, the need for fewer power plants, and a cleaner environment. America: you can be happy using less energy!
1) That will never happen. Xcel is NOT about to lose profits. If we all use less energy and give less to Xcel, their rates will simply rise. Mark my words.

2) The population is always growing. Unless households begin to produce their own energy (I'm no environmentalist, but I would be happy with this if/when it becomes cost effective), there will never be a decline in power plants.
Hal Groar

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Jul 26, 2009
There will come a time when the power company sends you a warning, not a friendly letter. Then it will be big brother knocking on your door. The fact that you pay your bill is not good enough. Soon it will be taxed mercilessly and then frequent visits from the the Office Of Energy Penalty's. I hope they send me a friendly letter, I can hardly wait to tell them what is their business and what is not. It is not their concern how much energy I use if I am footing the bill. Don't give me that "community" garbage or "it's for the children", that's been used to death! This is the camels nose!
Mr Obvious

Albany, OR

#5 Jul 26, 2009
Great Idea wrote:
Long overdue. This is a way to bring it home to American families how much energy they waste. If we priced energy to reward conservation, you'd see a drop in energy consumption, the need for fewer power plants, and a cleaner environment. America: you can be happy using less energy!
I save as much energy as I possibly can. You would be surprised how much money I save every month by doing that! Then, when I spend all of that extra money, I put it back into the economy, which uses energy and actually makes the problem worse!

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#6 Jul 26, 2009
How long before Obama and friends decide to take this one step further by enacting an additional tax on those who are X% over their neighbors in energy consumption? You may doubt it now but is it within the realm of possibility.
Solarman

Cathedral City, CA

#7 Jul 26, 2009
Phid wrote:
How long before Obama and friends decide to take this one step further by enacting an additional tax on those who are X% over their neighbors in energy consumption? You may doubt it now but is it within the realm of possibility.
From the article:"Some complained they were really not the energy hogs their reports made them appear to be, while others called the program Big Brother-ish and told Sayler the utility should be concerned only that they paid their bills on time. "
Southern California Edison put a tiered electric rate structure in effect a few years ago. It starts out at 11 cents per KWH for the first 42KWh and steps in tiers to 28 cent per KWh at the top tier. So it is not uncommon to see a 1500 square foot home in the summer time with a 750.00 dollar electric bill. Look for tiered rates to come to your neighborhood next.
Motley Larry

Superior National Forest, MN

#9 Jul 27, 2009
How can I get a smiley face?
Maybe

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jul 27, 2009
Gumby wrote:
I was walking through the alley the other day when I noticed that the people next door had two grocery bags full of empty wine bottles. I was shocked that they seemed to be consuming more wine than should be necessary, since I happen to know that there are only two adults in that household.
It was then that I decided to write them a letter and politely suggest that perhaps they were consuming alcohol at a much higher rate than most of their neighbors and prudence suggests that they should more closely monitor this disparity.
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You should just shut up Comrade. Go back to walking allies and digging in other people's garbage.
Yabetcha

Burnsville, MN

#12 Jul 27, 2009
Maybe wrote:
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You should just shut up Comrade. Go back to walking allies and digging in other people's garbage.
Maybe you need to cut down on the vino before you get on the internet. Posting while drinking is dangerous: everyone will see you're a blithering idiot.
dmz0026

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jul 27, 2009
Does anybody remember the "Smart Grid"? That is one way they will start to bring everybodies use in line. If you are exceding you allotted usage they can turn you electricity off. The problem with this program is that once they start telling people to cut usage and they won't on there own, you know who will!
Motley Larry

Superior National Forest, MN

#14 Jul 27, 2009
Maybe they could put a giant meter out in front of every body's house. Then your neighbor could rat on people who use too much, and they would be fined.
Pat from Blaine

United States

#15 Jul 27, 2009
So if I lower my usage any more I will be living in a cave. I recieve this notice from my Xcel every month or so and I am using energy at a rate of less than 50% from my neighbors.

Amazing I water my lawn less yet my grass is green - yea some weeds but I do not care.

I have motion sensor lights that turn on when needed.

I close my shades in day time eliminating my need to run AC all day. the dog can lay in a corner and be a little warmer.

I do not have TV / stereo / WI / video games playing all the time. I actually tell my children to play outside or th epark.

Amazing how people use so much energy and claim some right to do so.

It is very easy to save a bcuk or two on energy consumption these. Also I am not a "green person"

I am a proud "GLer". Thanks joe.

signed

Pat in Blaine
Gumby

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Jul 27, 2009
Pat from Blaine wrote:
So if I lower my usage any more I will be living in a cave. I recieve this notice from my Xcel every month or so and I am using energy at a rate of less than 50% from my neighbors.
Amazing I water my lawn less yet my grass is green - yea some weeds but I do not care.
I have motion sensor lights that turn on when needed.
I close my shades in day time eliminating my need to run AC all day. the dog can lay in a corner and be a little warmer.
I do not have TV / stereo / WI / video games playing all the time. I actually tell my children to play outside or th epark.
Amazing how people use so much energy and claim some right to do so.
It is very easy to save a bcuk or two on energy consumption these. Also I am not a "green person"
I am a proud "GLer". Thanks joe.
signed
Pat in Blaine
You are indeed a good citizen, comrade. I shall recommend that you receive extra rations at the next meeting of the collective.
Energy Miser

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Jul 27, 2009
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>From the article:"Look for tiered rates to come to your neighborhood next.
Sounds good to me.
Pat from Blaine

United States

#18 Jul 27, 2009
Hey Gumby,

I take your words in a way that does not offend me. My skin is much thicker than that. Actually I am amused. I beleive we think alike.

I am a person that thinks about ways to save money on items that you can control. My home is 5 bedroom, 4 levels, 3000 sq foot, multiple TVs, a WII play system and a 52" screen tv I watch sports on.

I personlly do not like paying for utilities that are left on.

I am cheap.

thanks
Tag Team

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Jul 27, 2009
Less energy is a loser. As our population explodes over the next 50 years and we attempt to grow the economy and prosperity we need one thing-energy.

Mercury laden CFL bulbs and solar panels don't do it. We need to use our abundance of coal, oil and natural gas.

Just drill baby!!!!
Obamacare details

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Jul 27, 2009
Great Idea wrote:
Long overdue. This is a way to bring it home to American families how much energy they waste.
Rockhead-

Speak for yourself about waste.

You would also see much greater unemployment and long lines for government cheese using LESS ENERGY.
DFL4LIFE

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Jul 27, 2009
dmz0026 wrote:
Does anybody remember the "Smart Grid"? That is one way they will start to bring everybodies use in line. If you are exceding you allotted usage they can turn you electricity off. The problem with this program is that once they start telling people to cut usage and they won't on there own, you know who will!
The Smart Grid is a wonderful way to get everyone involved in contributing to mitigating their carbon imprint. The vast majority of energy consumers are too lazy and stupid to do it on their own, so it's long past time to gently nudge them into the 21st century. The crisis of global warming isn't going to improve on its own and voluntary efforts aren't going to cut it either.

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#22 Jul 27, 2009
Conserving energy helps the individual spend less on utility bills, and helps collectively by reducing the need for additional power plants.

When I rehabbed my home after a fire, I went all the way -- 50& more insulation in walls and attic, all casement windows, and a 93% furnace with a 15 SEER AC unit. All appliances are replaced as needed by Energy Star units, and 95% of all lighting is flourescent.

I didn't do all of this to be a Good Person -- I did it because, like Pat in Blaine -- I am Pasimonious! That is French for CHEAP.

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