Five Tulsa-area districts firm in opposing vouchers

There are 45 comments on the Tulsa World story from Jan 10, 2011, titled Five Tulsa-area districts firm in opposing vouchers. In it, Tulsa World reports that:

Five Tulsa-area school districts remain firm in their decisions not to adhere to a new law directing public school districts to pay for private school tuition for special education students.

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#21 Jan 13, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, for one thing, I'm guessing neither of us has any mentally challenged kids, and for another, I happen to agreee with you.
BUT:
Let's face it: the 'future leaders of our country' aren't attending public schools.
Still, the guarantee of a free public education for every child keeps me employed...
You may be correct, but I still think that a "average" kid should have just as much right to a quality education in this country as a mentally challenged one does.

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#22 Jan 13, 2011
WMCOL wrote:
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A religious school that does not teach religion is not gonna happen. Another thing, all of those religious and other private schools discriminate against students they don't want. They can cherry pick who they accept but pubic schools have to take all comers.
I'm not going to argue this with the religious nuts. You give money to a religious school and they are going to use that money to brainwash kids in their religion regardless of what that religion is. The answer is no. Not now, not ever.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#23 Jan 13, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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You may be correct, but I still think that a "average" kid should have just as much right to a quality education in this country as a mentally challenged one does.
Trust me, sweetie, the 'average kid' and the 'mentally challenged kid' are getting the same quality of education:
thanks to 'no child left behind' they're getting practically the exact SAME education, and it's pretty abysmal. Teaching to the standardized tests, rote memorization of facts, endless repetition of material to make sure 'everybody can do it', the general dumbing down of that material for the same reason...
I could go on, but it really pisses me off.

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#24 Jan 13, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Trust me, sweetie, the 'average kid' and the 'mentally challenged kid' are getting the same quality of education:
thanks to 'no child left behind' they're getting practically the exact SAME education, and it's pretty abysmal. Teaching to the standardized tests, rote memorization of facts, endless repetition of material to make sure 'everybody can do it', the general dumbing down of that material for the same reason...
I could go on, but it really pisses me off.
Well I know Oklahoma is a joke when it comes to funding their kids. It's no wonder the people of this state have the reputation as a bunch of hicks to most the nation. And that doesn't have to be. All roads to prosperity for a state go through education. but not in Oklahoma. You get what you pay for.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#25 Jan 14, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree with taxpayer-funded private schools, whether religious or secular. However, the law is the law.
Unfortunately, until this one hits the Supreme Court, and can be overturned on Constitutional grounds, the districts in question better have deep pockets to pay a bunch of attorneys. Is this a better use of taxpayer dollars, or would you prefer that money to fund education?
Hmmmmmmmmm seems then if the tax dollars can not be for secular or religious then those people that have to pay to place their children in a school of their choice should not have to pay millage tax nor the portion of property taxes that go to schools, the construction of schools, cost of books and administration.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#26 Jan 14, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I know Oklahoma is a joke when it comes to funding their kids. It's no wonder the people of this state have the reputation as a bunch of hicks to most the nation. And that doesn't have to be. All roads to prosperity for a state go through education. but not in Oklahoma. You get what you pay for.
We have thrown dollars at this problem for years. Washing DC is mush higher than Oklahoma, but Oklahoma has a much higher test score and retention rate than DC. Money per student has never been proven in a coralation for results.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#27 Jan 14, 2011
Parent wrote:
I agree completely. What a terrible example to the kids that the school districts would only obey the laws that they like.
Yep, I can see it now going forward schools can have undefeated seasons by only counting the games they won........because they surly don't like the ones they lost.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#28 Jan 14, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmmmmmmmm seems then if the tax dollars can not be for secular or religious then those people that have to pay to place their children in a school of their choice should not have to pay millage tax nor the portion of property taxes that go to schools, the construction of schools, cost of books and administration.
Huh? Your post makes no sense, Jimbo. I think you need to quit drinking.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#29 Jan 14, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? Your post makes no sense, Jimbo. I think you need to quit drinking.
Really, how often do you pay for something you don't use or consume.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#30 Jan 14, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Really, how often do you pay for something you don't use or consume.
Some examples:
1.Hundreds of thousands of Tulsa homeowners with NO children, grown children, and children living in other states, pay Tulsa property taxes which benefit public education.
2.Even though she has a check-up only every 6 months or so (each of which would cost around 200 dollars without insurance)my mom pays roughly 6500 dollars a year for medical insurance.
3.All taxpayers help to fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, none of which may be accessible to many by the time the particular taxpayer needs them.

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#31 Jan 14, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Really, how often do you pay for something you don't use or consume.
Well I don't have an exact count but I believe our tax dollars have paid a few trillion for nukes that we never used or consumed and have ended up mothballed. Since we have enough to destroy the entire earth 10 times over, there might be some waste there

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#32 Jan 15, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Some examples:
1.Hundreds of thousands of Tulsa homeowners with NO children, grown children, and children living in other states, pay Tulsa property taxes which benefit public education.
2.Even though she has a check-up only every 6 months or so (each of which would cost around 200 dollars without insurance)my mom pays roughly 6500 dollars a year for medical insurance.
3.All taxpayers help to fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, none of which may be accessible to many by the time the particular taxpayer needs them.
Great, I ask you a simple question and you write gone with the wind. What do YOU pay for, that you don't use.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#33 Jan 15, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Well I don't have an exact count but I believe our tax dollars have paid a few trillion for nukes that we never used or consumed and have ended up mothballed. Since we have enough to destroy the entire earth 10 times over, there might be some waste there
true but a strettttttttttttttttttch.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#34 Jan 15, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Great, I ask you a simple question and you write gone with the wind. What do YOU pay for, that you don't use.
Asked and answered, let's move on.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#35 Jan 15, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Asked and answered, let's move on.
no you generalized, but ok, as usual loons don't deal well with facts.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#36 Jan 15, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>no you generalized, but ok, as usual loons don't deal well with facts.
Jim, dearest, the question we adults are discussing is school vouchers, which every taxpayer would be paying for, whether they like it or use it or want it, or not.
My individual personal expenditures are not germane to that conversation. Please stick to the topic at hand.
Thank-you
An Un-usual loon.
:)
anon

United States

#37 Jan 17, 2011
Well, one good thing would come out of it. It would increase the competition among the schools both private and public. When this happened, then public schools would be forced to raise the standards a bit, even among special needs kis.

This subject, however, is a perfect example (in a way) of the govt. run chickens coming home to roost. These schools want others to support their decision NOT to do this based on its constitutionality. Well, that's all fine and good, except many public schools aren't real hip on teaching kids much about the constitution at all, let along all the other rights and priviledges of being an American. Now, years later, these same kids, now adults don't know a lick about the constituion, and therefore have no idea what the public schools gripe really is.
dane

United States

#38 Jan 17, 2011
anon wrote:
Well, one good thing would come out of it. It would increase the competition among the schools both private and public. When this happened, then public schools would be forced to raise the standards a bit, even among special needs kis.
This subject, however, is a perfect example (in a way) of the govt. run chickens coming home to roost. These schools want others to support their decision NOT to do this based on its constitutionality. Well, that's all fine and good, except many public schools aren't real hip on teaching kids much about the constitution at all, let along all the other rights and priviledges of being an American. Now, years later, these same kids, now adults don't know a lick about the constituion, and therefore have no idea what the public schools gripe really is.
Heck, for that matter, some of these govt. taught people can't even
read their old school administrations complaint on the issue!!!
dane

United States

#39 Jan 17, 2011
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Trust me, sweetie, the 'average kid' and the 'mentally challenged kid' are getting the same quality of education:
thanks to 'no child left behind' they're getting practically the exact SAME education, and it's pretty abysmal. Teaching to the standardized tests, rote memorization of facts, endless repetition of material to make sure 'everybody can do it', the general dumbing down of that material for the same reason...
I could go on, but it really pisses me off.
The good thing is is that we don't HAVE to settle for a low quality public education, even if we can't afford to send them to a private school, or have the time to teach them at home I went to public schools as a child and realized even then that they weren't up to standard. No one taught me to read, but I realized I could read for the first time when I was two. I would get A's without ever taking home a book. I don't care HOW smart a kid is, no child should be allowed to get away with THAT kind of laziness. I chose to augment my own education by teaching myself during the off school hours. It's easy enough to do; just go to the local library and READ.

I know most kids don't have the self motivation I had, but I think if we teach them early to learn some self motivation it would make a big difference. Kids need to be taught fierce independence, discipline, and respect, and be made to realize that they can learn anything they need to know simply by reading a book. They don't have to wait until the school bell rings for the teacher to spoon feed them. Until we can find a way to drill that into our kid's heads, test scores will contiue to be mediocre.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#40 Jan 17, 2011
The aove statements are all true. I did the same as you did, was reading at a college level in fourth grade, and my parents were big fans of saying "Look it up, honey."
So I did.
I still love the library.

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