OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44057 Jun 20, 2013
Stephen wrote:
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Remember an earlier post where congressional aides were saying they would have to quit if they didn't get special federal treatment/consideration because their salaries of 25-35 thousand dollars a year would have premiums of 10,000 dollars a year and 3,000 deductible and the congressmen were going on t.v. and said they needed to make a changed in ObamaCare because you couldn't expect them to pay that kind of a premium on that kind of salary.
Oh really? What about the average Joe Q. Citizen who falls in that category of income?
Yes I do and I had posted my concerns about that. I maybe on Medicare but I have 3 sons still in the work force, my oldest will turn 50 this year that will have deal with what obamacare will be doing to people health ins. premiums. I worry how this will affect young adults starting out like my grandkids.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44058 Jun 20, 2013
Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember an earlier post where congressional aides were saying they would have to quit if they didn't get special federal treatment/consideration because their salaries of 25-35 thousand dollars a year would have premiums of 10,000 dollars a year and 3,000 deductible and the congressmen were going on t.v. and said they needed to make a changed in ObamaCare because you couldn't expect them to pay that kind of a premium on that kind of salary.
Oh really? What about the average Joe Q. Citizen who falls in that category of income?
I remember a lady asking Pres. Obama on TV about her mother on medicare and if her mother would have had the bypass surgery if Obamacare was enforce and his answer was probably not. that she would have given pain meds to keep her comfortable until ...... That makes me wonder if Obamacare was in force when I got so sick last October what my care would have been.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44059 Jun 20, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Never was in a group plan. We were responsible for our own health care and that meant buying our health insurance.
Now if you use medicare as a secondary insurance do you have the same deductibles? How does that work?
If you have other insurance(there is a difference between insurance and what they call discount plans) Medicare becomes secondary. The only thing you should have to pay is your primary deductible until you reach your primary limitations.
Stephen

United States

#44060 Jun 20, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I remember a lady asking Pres. Obama on TV about her mother on medicare and if her mother would have had the bypass surgery if Obamacare was enforce and his answer was probably not. that she would have given pain meds to keep her comfortable until ...... That makes me wonder if Obamacare was in force when I got so sick last October what my care would have been.
Exactly. Hillary touted Canadian Healthcare and I think you will remember what MistyGirl said about the Canadian Healthcare because she and her husband travel often all over Canada. MistyGirl also told us about her neighbor who moved from Canada because they refused her healthcare and sent her home to die.

Do you remember her telling us?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44061 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>If you have other insurance(there is a difference between insurance and what they call discount plans) Medicare becomes secondary. The only thing you should have to pay is your primary deductible until you reach your primary limitations.
I GUESS you are talking medicare? There are to plans -Medicare with Part A which is hospital, Part B which covers everything except drugs and dental. There is a Part D that covers drugs but we opt to buy our own supplyment. There is Advantage Medicare. which is like an HMO. I have never been a fan of the HMO Plans. Under the medicare we have Part A has a deductible of $1165 for the first 3 months and after you meet that deductible Medicare pays 80% and the supplyment pays the 20%. The Part B after you meet that deductible of $165 medicare pays 80% and supplyment pays 20%. The supplyment a person can buy will have different plans with different deductible which will affect the cost of that premium.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44062 Jun 21, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I do and I had posted my concerns about that. I maybe on Medicare but I have 3 sons still in the work force, my oldest will turn 50 this year that will have deal with what obamacare will be doing to people health ins. premiums. I worry how this will affect young adults starting out like my grandkids.
Everyone that can afford it needs to have their insurance issues addressed before the age of 50. Insurance costs jump significantly at 50, at least that is what I've seen, especially for life related insurance.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44063 Jun 21, 2013
Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. Hillary touted Canadian Healthcare and I think you will remember what MistyGirl said about the Canadian Healthcare because she and her husband travel often all over Canada. MistyGirl also told us about her neighbor who moved from Canada because they refused her healthcare and sent her home to die.
Do you remember her telling us?
Yes I do remember those posting. I also worry about the quality of the care people will be getting under Obamacare.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44064 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>Everyone that can afford it needs to have their insurance issues addressed before the age of 50. Insurance costs jump significantly at 50, at least that is what I've seen, especially for life related insurance.
I was talking about how Obamacare will raise health insurance premiums for many. The billions of dollars taken away from Medicare will not be enough to support the added expense of the many being added to the group where they either get their health premiums paid for or get help with paying for their health ins, premiums.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44065 Jun 21, 2013
Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. Hillary touted Canadian Healthcare and I think you will remember what MistyGirl said about the Canadian Healthcare because she and her husband travel often all over Canada. MistyGirl also told us about her neighbor who moved from Canada because they refused her healthcare and sent her home to die.
Do you remember her telling us?
There are good and bad issues with Canadian Socialized Medicine. The good is preventive healthcare. The bad is catastrophic healthcare.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44066 Jun 21, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I do remember those posting. I also worry about the quality of the care people will be getting under Obamacare.
I have those worries now, and I have enough insurance to cover all bills except yearly deductible.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44067 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>If you have other insurance(there is a difference between insurance and what they call discount plans) Medicare becomes secondary. The only thing you should have to pay is your primary deductible until you reach your primary limitations.
I am not sure what you are calling a discount plan. I am pretty sure if you are no longer working at 65 and older and in a group health plan that age group don't buy discount plans and make medicare a supplyment.
these discount plans what are the cost and what is their deductibles and the pay out towards medical bills. I would bet that these discount plans would have deductibles and it would have to be met before they pay out towards medical bills and I would thinks even if medicare was the supplyment it would also have it's deductibles. Now would the deductibles be the same if a person had medicare with a supplyment health ins.?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44069 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>There are good and bad issues with Canadian Socialized Medicine. The good is preventive healthcare. The bad is catastrophic healthcare.
We now have preventive healthcare and it is only as good if people take advantage of it.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44070 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>I have those worries now, and I have enough insurance to cover all bills except yearly deductible.
Are you on a group plan? And what are your deductibles? Then think about the people that are on a fixed income and the medicare deductibles for Part A.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44071 Jun 21, 2013
For me, Obamacare turned to crap when public option bit the dust.

Hey Justaminute, this was my first Obama disappointment.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44072 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>I have those worries now, and I have enough insurance to cover all bills except yearly deductible.
Before my husband found out he had the high end stage 3 colon cancer in 2003 our health ins. policy was a $500 DEDUCTIBLE and after that was met it paid 100% of the bills. Even though our premiums were high we had made the right decision to have bought it and have it when he fought his cancer.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44073 Jun 21, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Are you on a group plan? And what are your deductibles? Then think about the people that are on a fixed income and the medicare deductibles for Part A.
I want you to forget about Obamacare for a minute.

Are you against socialized medicine?
Stephen

United States

#44074 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>There are good and bad issues with Canadian Socialized Medicine. The good is preventive healthcare. The bad is catastrophic healthcare.
I don't know if I'll remember all the details maybe Tamara will fill in if I leave something out. MistyGirl's neighbor moved from Canada because she was diagnosed with terminal cancer I don't remember what kind of cancer. She was told that there was nothing medicine could do for her she needed to get her personal affairs in order. So this woman told her husband and kids and prepared to die. MistyGirl said around 2 weeks passed and her neighbor decided she wasn't going to just die without a fight so she contacted the Mayo Clinic I think it was and long story short her neighbor has been her neighbor for a decade now or so because she sought treatment somewhere they would treat her instead of sending her home with a bottle of pills or an I.V. to die.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44075 Jun 21, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>I want you to forget about Obamacare for a minute.
Are you against socialized medicine?
At this time I am not that impressed with socialized medicines. No matter what some has said on here I myself have not talked to one person that says their care is a quality care. That there are long wait periods in getting their health issues taken care of. Some health issues don not allow for long wait periods to be taken care of. I am glad people that don't have health ins. now will have it but it should not be at the expense of others. I donot like the idea that the government will be in control of who gets medical help and to what degree of help the will get. Age will play a big part in that decision and so will the cost of the medical help they will need.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44076 Jun 21, 2013
Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know if I'll remember all the details maybe Tamara will fill in if I leave something out. MistyGirl's neighbor moved from Canada because she was diagnosed with terminal cancer I don't remember what kind of cancer. She was told that there was nothing medicine could do for her she needed to get her personal affairs in order. So this woman told her husband and kids and prepared to die. MistyGirl said around 2 weeks passed and her neighbor decided she wasn't going to just die without a fight so she contacted the Mayo Clinic I think it was and long story short her neighbor has been her neighbor for a decade now or so because she sought treatment somewhere they would treat her instead of sending her home with a bottle of pills or an I.V. to die.
Long story short you pretty much got it all in.

I wonder if Canada's health ins covers them outside of Canadian boarders? I know that what people buy here in the US including Medicare does not cover you outside the boarders of the US,
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44077 Jun 21, 2013
Stephen wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know if I'll remember all the details maybe Tamara will fill in if I leave something out. MistyGirl's neighbor moved from Canada because she was diagnosed with terminal cancer I don't remember what kind of cancer. She was told that there was nothing medicine could do for her she needed to get her personal affairs in order. So this woman told her husband and kids and prepared to die. MistyGirl said around 2 weeks passed and her neighbor decided she wasn't going to just die without a fight so she contacted the Mayo Clinic I think it was and long story short her neighbor has been her neighbor for a decade now or so because she sought treatment somewhere they would treat her instead of sending her home with a bottle of pills or an I.V. to die.
I've heard enough stories like this to believe it is true. But what you don't here is the stories about people that were able to avoid catastrophic healthcare issues because of Canada's preventative healthcare.

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