DA Tim Harris Furious With Local Lawm...

DA Tim Harris Furious With Local Lawmakers, Meth Bill Fails

There are 37 comments on the KTUL-TV Tulsa story from Feb 23, 2012, titled DA Tim Harris Furious With Local Lawmakers, Meth Bill Fails. In it, KTUL-TV Tulsa reports that:

Tulsa's District Attorney is fighting mad, in the war on meth. Tim Harris is angry that a bill failed.

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Since: Jul 10

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#1 Feb 23, 2012
Sorry Tim, but too much freedom and liberty is destroyed already.

Making over the counter drugs prescription because they can be used for illicit purposes is stupid.

The behavior problem must be dealt with or eventually folks like Tim will be calling for a prescription to buy bread and milk.
How Come

Muskogee, OK

#2 Feb 23, 2012
How come fully automatic machine guns are regulated? How come explosives are regulated? How come you have to wear seatbelts when we drive? How come you have to have insurance on your vehicle when you drive? How come kids can't smoke until a certain age? Maybe because it was finally determined, after too many people were hurt or killed, that this type of behavior and/or articles were not good for the public. The ingredients of meth should be regulated.... Having to buy gel caps or liquid will not bring an end to the American way of life.... but the meth cooks of Oklahoma deal death and misery everyday.
Joe

Tulsa, OK

#3 Feb 23, 2012
How Come wrote:
How come fully automatic machine guns are regulated? How come explosives are regulated? How come you have to wear seatbelts when we drive? How come you have to have insurance on your vehicle when you drive? How come kids can't smoke until a certain age? Maybe because it was finally determined, after too many people were hurt or killed, that this type of behavior and/or articles were not good for the public. The ingredients of meth should be regulated.... Having to buy gel caps or liquid will not bring an end to the American way of life.... but the meth cooks of Oklahoma deal death and misery everyday.
How come some people are eager to give up their own liberties, and take those liberties from others? There is no acceptable reason for this idiotic type of legislation.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-Benjamin Franklin
Joe

Tulsa, OK

#4 Feb 23, 2012
Anyone wanting to laws like this, because they are afraid of the actions of a very small amount of people, should be sent to prison.
"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They’ll have enough to eat, a bed and a roof over their heads. But if an American wants to preserve his dignity and his equality as a human being, he must not bow his neck to any dictatorial government."- Dwight D. Eisenhower

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#5 Feb 23, 2012
How Come wrote:
How come fully automatic machine guns are regulated? How come explosives are regulated? How come you have to wear seatbelts when we drive? How come you have to have insurance on your vehicle when you drive? How come kids can't smoke until a certain age? Maybe because it was finally determined, after too many people were hurt or killed, that this type of behavior and/or articles were not good for the public. The ingredients of meth should be regulated.... Having to buy gel caps or liquid will not bring an end to the American way of life.... but the meth cooks of Oklahoma deal death and misery everyday.
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Explosives are regulated because of their explosive unstable propensity while over the counter drugs have no such harmful quality.

Seat belts I'm against but it is behavior that is being regulated, not belts, same with smoking it is behavior being regulated not tobacco, same with insurance. So actually you are inadvertently saying what I said, regulate behavior, not over the counter drugs that have been show to be safe and not require a prescription.
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#6 Feb 23, 2012
How much longer are the people of Tulsa going to put up with this egotistical fool. This is the first time in Tim Harris' career that he exhibited this much rage against anything. Was it about a murdered child, elderly person, or ANY violent crime against a citizen? NO, it was over cold and sinus medicine. PATHETIC, Tim. Vote, Vote, Vote!
No Laws

Muskogee, OK

#7 Feb 23, 2012
Just do away with all laws and let people fend for themselves.... Get out your gun and meet the bad guy at the door. There is no need for anyone to look over anyone's shoulder and if you cross someone's path that are in a bad mood, be prepared to die. Just do away with it all and let nature take it's course....
No Laws

Muskogee, OK

#8 Feb 23, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
Sorry Tim, but too much freedom and liberty is destroyed already.
Making over the counter drugs prescription because they can be used for illicit purposes is stupid.
The behavior problem must be dealt with or eventually folks like Tim will be calling for a prescription to buy bread and milk.
Hmmmm.......deal with the behavior problem first. I guess you are talking about putting them all in jail, or the taxpayer from paying for everyone of them to go to their rehab of choice? What exactly do you mean? Why did the government restrict the use of cocaine, heroin, and other similar drugs that used to be unregulated? Why did they do that??
slimjim

Tulsa, OK

#9 Feb 24, 2012
The RADICALS are running things, Paul is a candidate for president, drugs will be legalized as its cheaper that way. It all depends on costs, paroles are the latest fad.
Cocaine

Muskogee, OK

#10 Feb 24, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Explosives are regulated because of their explosive unstable propensity while over the counter drugs have no such harmful quality.
Seat belts I'm against but it is behavior that is being regulated, not belts, same with smoking it is behavior being regulated not tobacco, same with insurance. So actually you are inadvertently saying what I said, regulate behavior, not over the counter drugs that have been show to be safe and not require a prescription.
You used to be able to get cocaine at the drugstore. What happened there? You talk alot of stories but have you ever seen a baby's body that was burnt up in a meth lab fire? I have and it sticks with you forever. Meth will get brought into Oklahoma just like the other drugs. People will continue to use drugs no matter what laws are enacted. But there was a chance to stop the small meth labs here, and saves lives immediately, but big business money bought off the legislators that could have made it happen. What a very sad state of affairs.
Local Option

Sand Springs, OK

#11 Feb 29, 2012
So why is the State House committee opposed to allowing local people the right to protect themselves from meth labs? They have now killed a bill that would have allowed individual towns/cities to do that. All I can say is these so called public servants sure must be getting alot of lobbyist money to sell out there communities and friends over this meth issue!!

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#12 Feb 29, 2012
No Laws wrote:
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Hmmmm.......deal with the behavior problem first. I guess you are talking about putting them all in jail, or the taxpayer from paying for everyone of them to go to their rehab of choice? What exactly do you mean? Why did the government restrict the use of cocaine, heroin, and other similar drugs that used to be unregulated? Why did they do that??
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Meth is illegal, just like "cocaine, heroin, and other similar drugs."

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#13 Feb 29, 2012
Amazing how some of you are so willing to give up liberty and freedom for a little bit of security. We don't live in some kind of "Minority Report" society where thoughts are punished without there being an act.
anarcho-capitali st

Austin, TX

#14 Feb 29, 2012
Methlahoma as it is called by surrounding states. There is a problem there for a reason.

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#15 Feb 29, 2012
Cocaine wrote:
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You talk alot of stories but have you ever seen a baby's body that was burnt up in a meth lab fire? I have and it sticks with you forever.
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I've seen that and worse in vehicular accidents, but we don't ban cars, or parts used to make and repair cars.

What about a permit from the government to allow you to buy a part for your car, that DANGEROUS machine, responsible for nearly a half-million deaths a year? That's where this thing goes if people like Harris are not stopped.
Local Option

Tulsa, OK

#16 Feb 29, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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I've seen that and worse in vehicular accidents, but we don't ban cars, or parts used to make and repair cars.
What about a permit from the government to allow you to buy a part for your car, that DANGEROUS machine, responsible for nearly a half-million deaths a year? That's where this thing goes if people like Harris are not stopped.
What did you do for a living that you have seen all of the horrible traffic collisions or meth lab burning deaths? I guess you are the person who doesn't want to give up any of your liberties, until someone steps on your rights while they exercise theirs. Then you will jump up and down and be the loudest mouth in the land..... The option for a town or city to pass an ordinance requiring an RX for meth ingrediant drugs is basic to people governing themselves. The city cities won't make decisions for the small towns and the small towns won't infringe on each other. But when we have little groups of dictators, that won't allow potential laws to even be heard on the floor of our legislative bodies, then we have a constitutional problem going on. That little committee of people, let's see, seven of them, should not be allowed to keep a law from being heard by the entire governing body.

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#17 Feb 29, 2012
Local Option wrote:
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What did you do for a living that you have seen all of the horrible traffic collisions or meth lab burning deaths? I guess you are the person who doesn't want to give up any of your liberties, until someone steps on your rights while they exercise theirs. Then you will jump up and down and be the loudest mouth in the land..... The option for a town or city to pass an ordinance requiring an RX for meth ingrediant drugs is basic to people governing themselves. The city cities won't make decisions for the small towns and the small towns won't infringe on each other. But when we have little groups of dictators, that won't allow potential laws to even be heard on the floor of our legislative bodies, then we have a constitutional problem going on. That little committee of people, let's see, seven of them, should not be allowed to keep a law from being heard by the entire governing body.
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People governing themselves should be in accord with the U.S. Constitution. In this case the process worked exactly as designed, and it eliminated the future need for lawsuits and their expense because some weak kneed folks wanted to make unConstitutional laws to attack liberty and freedom.
Whose Process

Tulsa, OK

#18 Feb 29, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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People governing themselves should be in accord with the U.S. Constitution. In this case the process worked exactly as designed, and it eliminated the future need for lawsuits and their expense because some weak kneed folks wanted to make unConstitutional laws to attack liberty and freedom.
I do not believe the U.S. Constitution provided seven Oklahoma House members with the power to keep legislation behind their closed doors. Seems that six of the committee members voted FOR the measures!! With a 7 to 6 vote, you would think that maybe the ENTIRE House might want to consider the legislation? The proposed laws were not unconstitutional, since they were mirroring the laws in Oregon that have been in force for years now. If you think that people in the small towns and cities of Oklahoma cannot make decisions to dictate their own lives, then you are the person who has alot to learn about the constitution.
Drug Company Process

Tulsa, OK

#19 Feb 29, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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People governing themselves should be in accord with the U.S. Constitution. In this case the process worked exactly as designed, and it eliminated the future need for lawsuits and their expense because some weak kneed folks wanted to make unConstitutional laws to attack liberty and freedom.
The process that you speak of is the drug companies that make millions of dollars on the dry form of their allergy medicines that are used to make meth. They would lose millions of dollars if the laws were passed, so they donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the legislator's campaign funds, as a donation of course! I guess that is the process you are speaking of? Because the seven legislators that voted against ALL of the meth bills accepted thousands of dollars of drug company donations.

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#20 Feb 29, 2012
Whose Process wrote:
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I do not believe the U.S. Constitution provided seven Oklahoma House members with the power to keep legislation behind their closed doors..
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That's their own House Rules for bringing an issue to the full House. They can change them if they like but the process is Constitutional by Oklahoma and U.S. Constitutions.

The time to think about the rules is when they are proposed and not just when they have an effect you don't like.

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