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SAFETY

United States

#21 Feb 20, 2013
No thanks wrote:
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I'll give more thought to the issue but can't believe I would be in favor of it. Since you stated "back in the era" "shooting clubs"... I would ask...in that era was there drive by shootings? Were there gangs and wannbe gangsters? Were there already teens bringing guns to school? Robbing homes? Robbing people on the streets? Car jackings?
I cannot see how teaching the use of weaponry in schools would benefit anyone. Many people oppose the idea of teaching sex education to their kids and I seriously doubt the majority would be in favor of a shooting club or even firearm instruction whether with real weapons or just the information.
I have to agree with one of the other posters such a class would set the schools, the instructors, and everyone connected up for humongous lawsuits. And you can't just teach some of the kids like the white kids or the honor students, because it would be discrimination. I for one do not care to see my tax money spent on youths regardless of their race in an effort to teach them how to arm themselves. I don't care if it is for self protection or whatever. Teens have the highest vehicle accident rate and suicide rate in society. The majority of them are lacking common sense due to their age mostly. Teach a pre-teen or teen male to use a gun and all they will be interested in is showing how macho they are. And that will only create more pseudo tough guys and more trouble.
The point here is SAFETY, not violence.
The more they know about the gun, the safer they will be around it, and the more proactive they may be in reporting violations.
Knowledge is power. Fear is the problem.
Go for it

Florissant, MO

#22 Feb 20, 2013
SAFETY wrote:
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The point here is SAFETY, not violence.
The more they know about the gun, the safer they will be around it, and the more proactive they may be in reporting violations.
Knowledge is power. Fear is the problem.
The more teaching those young black wannabe ganstas get the better aim they'll have. Great thinking!
hardhead

United States

#23 Feb 20, 2013
don't worry about the blacks, you can't teach them anything.
JMO

Florissant, MO

#24 Feb 20, 2013
wow wrote:
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Did you make those numbers up? Show some proof of your statement. Or are you just another liberal, lying to make yourself seem smart?
Some of the percentages the guy or gal quoted I am not sure about, but the 50% lacking the skills for basic tasks such as figuring out percentages and simple mathmatices is true. I think that is because it simply is taught anymore.

I work in HR and I can vouch for the fact that we have an unbelievable number of applicants with BAs who do not fill out the application form correctly. Just an example that happens over and over, in the race/ethnicity column (yes you can legally have that, the applicant is not however required to answer). Numerous applicants of all races check "other", even though the choices are African-American, Hispanic-American, Caucasian, Asian-American and so forth. Depressingly, many white applicants check the "other" box and write in "white". When I explain to them they could check Caucasian they need that term defined. We also need to explain what bi-monthly means in terms of salary and a lot of other small details.

Now perhaps that is because they are not familiar with the working world. However, it also indicates the individual did not care enough about our company or gainful employment in general to do a little research. In other words, those applicants do not become a part of our organization.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#25 Feb 20, 2013
JMO wrote:
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Some of the percentages the guy or gal quoted I am not sure about, but the 50% lacking the skills for basic tasks such as figuring out percentages and simple mathmatices is true. I think that is because it simply is taught anymore.
I work in HR and I can vouch for the fact that we have an unbelievable number of applicants with BAs who do not fill out the application form correctly. Just an example that happens over and over, in the race/ethnicity column (yes you can legally have that, the applicant is not however required to answer). Numerous applicants of all races check "other", even though the choices are African-American, Hispanic-American, Caucasian, Asian-American and so forth. Depressingly, many white applicants check the "other" box and write in "white". When I explain to them they could check Caucasian they need that term defined. We also need to explain what bi-monthly means in terms of salary and a lot of other small details.
Now perhaps that is because they are not familiar with the working world. However, it also indicates the individual did not care enough about our company or gainful employment in general to do a little research. In other words, those applicants do not become a part of our organization.
True enough same thing happens at the corporation where I am. A great percentage of the applicants just aren't prepared for entering the workforce. Whether you can blame that on a poor educational system or the person themselves is a matter of opinion.

As far as the citizenship test thingy, well come on is that a fair thing to pick on/at? We all learned those things in school but have no need for them now, unless, like myself, you enjoy learning about the country's history, well history period.

And the National Anthem... that shouldn't surprise anyone if that percentage is correct. They did an experiment on one of the news shows (Dateline maybe?) where a reporter caught senators and reps and other politicos on the steps of Congress and asked them to sing the Star Spangled Banner or at least say the words. Most of them got some of it, a few all of it and even fewer none at all. Just look at all the celebs who try to sing it and totally screw up. I don't see that as being earth shaking.

The issue of teaching gun safety, guess I wouldn't have a problem as long as there's no actual firing of weapons and it wasn't a mandatory course. Not everyone wants to own a gun a lot of people don't even want to be around them or have their kids around them. That to me is a private choice that only the parents should make, much like religion, sex education, etc. Forcing kids or anyone to take a course in firearms would be the same as not allowing someone to have one.
Pale Dago

O Fallon, MO

#26 Feb 20, 2013


A thought on the gun ban law



A person steals guns,(WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

shoots and kills his own mother (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

transports these guns loaded (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

brings guns onto school property (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

breaks into the school (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

discharges the weapons within city limits (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

murders 26 people (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),

and commits suicide (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW).



And there are people in this country that somehow think passing ANOTHER LAW banning guns would protect us from someone like this.



If you haven't noticed, people like this are not concerned about breaking laws - they only care about fulfilling their own twisted agenda.



The only people that a gun ban law would impact are the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, which will only serve to cripple the ability to protect ourselves.



If you agree with this, please send it along. If not, read it again and see if it does not make a wee bit of sense.



Pretty much sums it up

Since: Nov 12

Des Moines, IA

#27 Feb 20, 2013
hardhead wrote:
<quoted text>the reason the u.s. is so far behind in education is because of the black race. most blacks can't compose a simple sentence and have no basic educational skills what so ever. look whats happen to all the school districts when the blacks move in. i agree with you, i will teach my kids about religion,sex,guns and rock and roll.but some basic education in the schools is a good idea. i see nothing wrong with having a shooting class in the schools. no different than football or baseball.
This is just too funny! Someone how writes this berating the composition skills of an entire race. You sir, are simply an idiot.
Gun Safety

United States

#28 Feb 20, 2013
We Teach about Drug Safety in School, DARE, the proper use and handling of guns and how and who to report to, seem very prudent.
A little correction

Florissant, MO

#29 Feb 25, 2013
Pale Dago wrote:
A thought on the gun ban law
A person steals guns,(WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
shoots and kills his own mother (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
transports these guns loaded (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
brings guns onto school property (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
breaks into the school (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
discharges the weapons within city limits (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
murders 26 people (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
and commits suicide (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW).
And there are people in this country that somehow think passing ANOTHER LAW banning guns would protect us from someone like this.
If you haven't noticed, people like this are not concerned about breaking laws - they only care about fulfilling their own twisted agenda.
The only people that a gun ban law would impact are the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, which will only serve to cripple the ability to protect ourselves.
If you agree with this, please send it along. If not, read it again and see if it does not make a wee bit of sense.
Pretty much sums it up
The fellow who did the shooting in Sandyhook did not steal the weapon he used. It belonged to his own mother he had access to them and they had been legally purchased.
improve mental health

United States

#30 Feb 25, 2013
A little correction wrote:
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The fellow who did the shooting in Sandyhook did not steal the weapon he used. It belonged to his own mother he had access to them and they had been legally purchased.
we need to get serious about helping those with mental health issues.
True

Florissant, MO

#31 Feb 25, 2013
A little correction wrote:
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The fellow who did the shooting in Sandyhook did not steal the weapon he used. It belonged to his own mother he had access to them and they had been legally purchased.
His mother was an avid collector as were several other family members, uncles and such. One of his aunts did an interview with CNN and stated that Adam Lanzer used to go target practicing with his mother and had been around guns and used them his entire life.
Even though he did have some serious emotional and mental issues apparently none of his family took that into consideration.

Here's another fact or two...out of the 142 weapons used over 75% were legally purchased and licensed by the owners, not stolen. 68 of those weapons were semi-automatic and 35 were assault weapons. There's only one verified case of a mass shooter using a "stolen" weapon but even that came from a grandfather's gun collection that the shooter broke into. In all the shooting incidents (except for the 11-year-old Jonesboro boy) the shooters had knowledge of weapons and/or extensive experience with them.

So, my question is, how do you know that the kid you are teaching how to handle guns and maybe use them is not emotionally or mentally unstable? The pre-teen and teen years are some of the most stressful times kids go through. That is why the teen suicide rate is so high. I would not be in favor of such a class. My nephew a kid who was intelligent and a just a regular teen took Driver's Ed passed the course with high marks and still crashed his car injuring the passengers and killing himself.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/m...
only in america

United States

#32 Feb 25, 2013
Only in america, do we spend 5x more per capita, on an incarcerated prisoner, than we do on a childs education. Maybe our values are upside down.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#33 Feb 25, 2013
only in america wrote:
Only in america, do we spend 5x more per capita, on an incarcerated prisoner, than we do on a childs education. Maybe our values are upside down.
We also spend many times more public cash paying greens fees of, caring for, and medicating our "greatest generation" than is spend on medical care for our youth, whom their mothers kill at a rate of 1 out of 3-4 through abortion.

Ever think about that? For every 3 or 4 live people you see, there is a dead one killed by his or her would be mother. When you go into a classroom with 20 kids, just think that if it weren't for abortion, there would be 25 or 28 kids in that room. Just look at the empty desks and swings on the playground and think about that.

Maybe we do have a values problem. At least the incarcerated ones are there because of acts they committed with their own free will. That is the natural consequence of their conduct.
No point in denying it

Florissant, MO

#34 Feb 25, 2013
only in america wrote:
Only in america, do we spend 5x more per capita, on an incarcerated prisoner, than we do on a childs education. Maybe our values are upside down.
I really don't think more money is the answer. The fact is we live in a very violent society and have for several decades. No matter how many courses get taught in gun safety or driver training or whatever it might be it will not bring about any major changes in the situation.

And unfortunately such things as mass shootings, violent crime, etc. make certain segments of society a lot of money. For instance, the people who could be out of a job if things ever drastically changed. Law enforcement, ER personnel, EMTs, TV and Movie people, game makers, and of course the criminals themselves (sarcasm intended there); an almost inexhaustible list of companies and personnel who make money off of violence of all types. I'm not saying games, movies, TV shows, etc. are the direct reason for violence but they do "glorify" it in a not so subtle way. The hero cop, the rich drug dealer, etc. and don't forget that guy (don't know if the show is still on) who used to mete out justice of his own. My nephew and his friends taped everyone of those shows and bought every DVD they could find. They want to be just like...what's his name.

Look around at the stuff available to anyone who wants to see it, TV, movies, and especially the Internet. Not too hard to figure out why things are the way they are. Even this forum is an example...filled with racial slurs, threats, hatred in all forms. Yep, you reap what you sow...that's for darn sure.
Why

O Fallon, MO

#35 Feb 26, 2013
A little correction wrote:
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The fellow who did the shooting in Sandyhook did not steal the weapon he used. It belonged to his own mother he had access to them and they had been legally purchased.
I'm pretty sure his mother did not give permission to use her weapons in a muder. In my opinion, the guns were taken against his mothers will.
Why

O Fallon, MO

#36 Feb 26, 2013
Archery is taught in the schools, Their are knives used in the cooking lessons. Why not Firearm education?. The most important part of firearm education, is Saftey and Respect. How could that be bad?
Pale Dago

O Fallon, MO

#37 Feb 27, 2013
Why wrote:
Archery is taught in the schools, Their are knives used in the cooking lessons. Why not Firearm education?. The most important part of firearm education, is Saftey and Respect. How could that be bad?
Hey! Who told you that you could come on this thread with a perfectly rational and intelligent question?
hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#38 Feb 27, 2013
Why wrote:
Archery is taught in the schools, Their are knives used in the cooking lessons. Why not Firearm education?. The most important part of firearm education, is Saftey and Respect. How could that be bad?
now this makes sense.
Well DUH

Florissant, MO

#39 Feb 27, 2013
Why wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty sure his mother did not give permission to use her weapons in a muder. In my opinion, the guns were taken against his mothers will.
no one said his mother gave him permission he just took them from his own house. That is not stealing as he had access to them anyway and had used them before. If she didn't want him to be able to use them she would have them secured. How hard is that at to figure out.

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