hardhead

Florissant, MO

#1 May 24, 2013
2 black males break into truck at crest bowl last night at 8:00 p.m., cops get behind them to linbergh make right to n. waterford, down to parker to south on hallsferry ,make left behind central city to east bound on 270 and gone. never even tried to stop them just followed them out of the city. WTF are we just letting them get away nowdays. i stand behind our police dept., but i don't get this. the owner of the truck was standing in the parking lot of crest bowl waiting for the police to return, wonder what they told him? we let them go? they looked like nice boys? WHAT? i think i lost alittle faith in our police dept. last night. this was no chase at all, just followed at a distance.
Try Learning

Florissant, MO

#2 May 24, 2013
hardhead wrote:
2 black males break into truck at crest bowl last night at 8:00 p.m., cops get behind them to linbergh make right to n. waterford, down to parker to south on hallsferry ,make left behind central city to east bound on 270 and gone. never even tried to stop them just followed them out of the city. WTF are we just letting them get away nowdays. i stand behind our police dept., but i don't get this. the owner of the truck was standing in the parking lot of crest bowl waiting for the police to return, wonder what they told him? we let them go? they looked like nice boys? WHAT? i think i lost alittle faith in our police dept. last night. this was no chase at all, just followed at a distance.
the current law concerning when any police department can "chase" a fleeing suspect,before you start pointing fingers and making ridiculous assumptions.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#3 May 24, 2013
Try Learning wrote:
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the current law concerning when any police department can "chase" a fleeing suspect,before you start pointing fingers and making ridiculous assumptions.
don't know what you are talking about. they didn't chase anyone, didn't even try to stop them. how is this protecting anyones property? i can see calling off a high speed chase, do to public safety, but you can't just let the thugs take everyone's property. not pointing fingers at anyone, but our police dept. has always been known to run these thugs down.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#4 May 24, 2013
maybe some other police dept. down the road got them?
Could be

Florissant, MO

#5 May 24, 2013
hardhead wrote:
maybe some other police dept. down the road got them?
Because of all the traffic accidents that have happened where innocent people have been injured and killed, police pursuits are now very limited.

Police are only allowed to give chase if the suspects have shown they are armed and/or considered dangerous to the public as a whole.
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#6 May 24, 2013
I have to agree with our nemesis Could Be, restraint was the proper policy here.

Were these fools apprehended?
awwyee

Saint Louis, MO

#7 May 24, 2013
shi dawg, thanks 4 da info. me n my bros is gon take a nice lil vacation up dey in flo town now we no dem popo's dont wanna chase me n my tribe wen we b stealin yall cars
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#8 May 24, 2013
even though the above post is spam, the thugs know if they run, the police stop chasing. maybe we should just start shooting and they'll get the hint.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#9 May 24, 2013
Could be wrote:
<quoted text>
Because of all the traffic accidents that have happened where innocent people have been injured and killed, police pursuits are now very limited.
Police are only allowed to give chase if the suspects have shown they are armed and/or considered dangerous to the public as a whole.
still they could have at least tried to stop them, they think they just got a free ride on florissant residents.
Maybe Imsure

Garden City, MI

#10 May 24, 2013
hardhead wrote:
2 black males break into truck at crest bowl last night at 8:00 p.m., cops get behind them to linbergh make right to n. waterford, down to parker to south on hallsferry ,make left behind central city to east bound on 270 and gone. never even tried to stop them just followed them out of the city. WTF are we just letting them get away nowdays. i stand behind our police dept., but i don't get this. the owner of the truck was standing in the parking lot of crest bowl waiting for the police to return, wonder what they told him? we let them go? they looked like nice boys? WHAT? i think i lost alittle faith in our police dept. last night. this was no chase at all, just followed at a distance.
I didn't think anyone was more full of crap then the rev. But you win on this whopper.!
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#11 May 25, 2013
Maybe Imsure wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't think anyone was more full of crap then the rev. But you win on this whopper.!
your an idiot to think this shit don't go on. i listened to this going down. word for word,if you are a nonbeliever stop at crest bowl and inquire what happened.
justthefacts

Saint Louis, MO

#12 May 25, 2013
This is true. Very rarely will the police leave the city limits to go after a stolen vehicle. I have heard it take place on my scanner. Whoever is on watch command makes the decision and the police turn around and they alert county or whatever city they may be going through.

The first time I heard this happen I was quite shocked to say the least. If the crooks know all they have to do is go 100 down hallsferry to get out of florissant then they will keep doing it.

Its shameful.
Really

Florissant, MO

#13 May 28, 2013
hardhead wrote:
even though the above post is spam, the thugs know if they run, the police stop chasing. maybe we should just start shooting and they'll get the hint.
just start shooting? What about people in other cars or walking in the area? What about people sitting on their porches or in their yard or sometimes even inside?

I realize you jump for joy whenever a black person regardless of whether it is a child or a totally innocent person is injured or killed, but what about white people? You think a misfired bullet knows the difference? From what I have read about police and bad guy shoot outs there are often innocent people hurt or killed. The same thing with police pursuits. But then I guess all you care about is whether a black guy(s) gets caught, to heck with anyone who gets in the way.

The law now only allows the police to give chase if there is a victim who has been injured, if shots have been fired or if a weapon was displayed. The changes came about after that state trooper who was texting on his phone and going over 100mph hit and killed the two sisters (I should point out the girls were white and so was the cop, or you will start doing the happy dance.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#14 May 28, 2013
they are not going to hit anything but blacks down hallsferry and 270. you can't just let these black bastards take your stuff and not do anything. every time you see one of these pieces of shit walking down the street you know they are up to no good. what are we gonna do, just let them break into our homes and steal our cars,i say fukum and shoot the thugs if they are in your house or screwing with you automobile. my .02 cents,wether you like it or not.
JJD

Florissant, MO

#15 May 29, 2013
Really wrote:
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just start shooting? What about people in other cars or walking in the area? What about people sitting on their porches or in their yard or sometimes even inside?
I realize you jump for joy whenever a black person regardless of whether it is a child or a totally innocent person is injured or killed, but what about white people? You think a misfired bullet knows the difference? From what I have read about police and bad guy shoot outs there are often innocent people hurt or killed. The same thing with police pursuits. But then I guess all you care about is whether a black guy(s) gets caught, to heck with anyone who gets in the way.
The law now only allows the police to give chase if there is a victim who has been injured, if shots have been fired or if a weapon was displayed. The changes came about after that state trooper who was texting on his phone and going over 100mph hit and killed the two sisters (I should point out the girls were white and so was the cop, or you will start doing the happy dance.
That's exactly what irresponsible people do. They think they can solve problems by creating more. You think any of the yahoos that brag about their guns and how they are going to use them are an asset to the community? Not hardly! Their kind are the ones that end up shooting a neighbor kid who happened to walk through their yard at night.

Police shouldn't chase someone and risk innocent lives just because the suspects stole something. They will always get caught sooner or later and creating a situation where some helpless person(s) can get injured or killed is just plain stupid!
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#16 May 29, 2013
JJD wrote:
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That's exactly what irresponsible people do. They think they can solve problems by creating more. You think any of the yahoos that brag about their guns and how they are going to use them are an asset to the community? Not hardly! Their kind are the ones that end up shooting a neighbor kid who happened to walk through their yard at night.
Police shouldn't chase someone and risk innocent lives just because the suspects stole something. They will always get caught sooner or later and creating a situation where some helpless person(s) can get injured or killed is just plain stupid!
I agree with you on the police chase rules.

I have not heard of anyone shooting a neighborhood kid just cutting through a yard. Seems like if that is occurring it would be all over the media.

Pretty much all of the CCW folks that I know are assets to their community, quietly going about their business but alert to potential threats and ready and trained to respond (I am not talking about folks who just take the minimum 10 hr course).

I took my CCW training in Kirkwood after the city hall shooting there and met a lot of folks in class and follow up training that take CCW very seriously and IMHO definitely make that community vastly safer by their presence, whether it be in the home or out in the community. I can envision no situation where they would shoot some innocent kid in the yard.
Maybe he or she

Florissant, MO

#17 May 29, 2013
TTU wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you on the police chase rules.
I have not heard of anyone shooting a neighborhood kid just cutting through a yard. Seems like if that is occurring it would be all over the media.
Pretty much all of the CCW folks that I know are assets to their community, quietly going about their business but alert to potential threats and ready and trained to respond (I am not talking about folks who just take the minimum 10 hr course).
I took my CCW training in Kirkwood after the city hall shooting there and met a lot of folks in class and follow up training that take CCW very seriously and IMHO definitely make that community vastly safer by their presence, whether it be in the home or out in the community. I can envision no situation where they would shoot some innocent kid in the yard.
is thinking about that kid who got shot dead when he was trick or treating a few years ago. The homeowner who did it had been having problems with teens making noise late at night and leaving trash around and I guess he just lost it.

As I recall it, it was a friend of the family who was really too old to trick or treat but he was just playing a joke on the guy's daughter. Or maybe that one a couple of months ago where the guy shot his 16 year old neighbor who was sneaking out of the house to go to a party and accidently tripped the alarm on the guy's car.

Most gun owners are responsible, I think, but it only takes one numbnuts to take an innocent life.

But the topic was about cops chasing and shooting and people do get hurt in wrecks and whatever. Not so long ago a 90 year old woman was killed inside her apartment when the cops exchanged gunfire with a fleeing suspect. Wasn't here, up in Conn or some place like that, so it does happen. And like someone else said, those two sisters killed by the state trooper who was going 100 + to a call about robbers fleeing a gas station.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#18 May 29, 2013
Maybe he or she wrote:
<quoted text>
is thinking about that kid who got shot dead when he was trick or treating a few years ago. The homeowner who did it had been having problems with teens making noise late at night and leaving trash around and I guess he just lost it.
As I recall it, it was a friend of the family who was really too old to trick or treat but he was just playing a joke on the guy's daughter. Or maybe that one a couple of months ago where the guy shot his 16 year old neighbor who was sneaking out of the house to go to a party and accidently tripped the alarm on the guy's car.
Most gun owners are responsible, I think, but it only takes one numbnuts to take an innocent life.
But the topic was about cops chasing and shooting and people do get hurt in wrecks and whatever. Not so long ago a 90 year old woman was killed inside her apartment when the cops exchanged gunfire with a fleeing suspect. Wasn't here, up in Conn or some place like that, so it does happen. And like someone else said, those two sisters killed by the state trooper who was going 100 + to a call about robbers fleeing a gas station.
I had not heard of any of these incidents. If true they are tragic.

That said, let's put those cases in perspective. Perhaps there are 10 similar cases in a given year, nationwide. In contrast, I would guess that there are at least 10 acts of serious violence, that is, armed robbery, assault, etc., in just FLOMO and adjacent communities PER WEEK. Just look in the St Louis Post-Dispatch any day of the week. look at the St Louis County crime map. Perps claiming to reside in and around FLOMO are frequently caught and charged with some violent act. This has not always been true. It is a relatively recent trend and seemingly is increasing.

While an armed populace is not ideal, given the attacks that are now common place and the residency of the attackers, if it deters or reduces the number of attacks, and make folks feel safer, then IMHO its probably a good trade off.

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