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Feb 24, 2013
 

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Governments, all governments, local, conty, state, federal, school districts, fire districts, agencies, are addicted to spending.
Non of them know how to quit spending or how to cut a budget.

They are not good stewards our money. They fear the truth.

How sad, what a monster we have allowed to happen.

Where does it end?
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Feb 24, 2013
 
Where does it end wrote:
Governments, all governments, local, conty, state, federal, school districts, fire districts, agencies, are addicted to spending.
Non of them know how to quit spending or how to cut a budget.
They are not good stewards our money. They fear the truth.
How sad, what a monster we have allowed to happen.
Where does it end?
We're already getting a sneak preview of where it will end -- it's called Greece.

An important quote of Thomas Jefferson, especially alarming given the stated goals of the current administration to redistribute wealth: "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
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Feb 24, 2013
 
Marcus Welby wrote:
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We're already getting a sneak preview of where it will end -- it's called Greece.
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Or Detroit, or Compton,... or Dellwood, or Cool Valley, or St Ann ... or St Louis public Schools, or Riverview Gardens School District, or Wellston School District, or Normandy School District, or Normandy Fire Dept.... oops Northeast Fire PD ... or Northwoods, or Flordell Hills, or country Club Hills ... but hopefully not Charlac, because they are so concerned about public safety on our highways, or at least 50 feet of them.
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Those congressional cowards are trying to scare us into believing that the Sequester cuts are the end of civilization. The amount to less than 2% of the current spending levels. That amount to about $20 for every $1000 of spending. About the same amount they just raised your Social Security withdrawal.

At what point to we make them pay, and vote them out of office. They are cowards.
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Just to clarify -- the so-called cuts attributable to the sequester are not cuts to current spending levels. They are cuts in the proposed increase in government spending.

If the government plans on increasing its budget for next year by $500 billion and are then forced to increase it by only $450 billion, the liars in Washington and in the press are calling it a $50 billion cut. It's still a $450 billion increase.
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Feb 24, 2013
 
Marcus Welby wrote:
Just to clarify -- the so-called cuts attributable to the sequester are not cuts to current spending levels. They are cuts in the proposed increase in government spending.
If the government plans on increasing its budget for next year by $500 billion and are then forced to increase it by only $450 billion, the liars in Washington and in the press are calling it a $50 billion cut. It's still a $450 billion increase.
Good to hear from you again MW. I recall you are a reader. FYI--A good book on this topic is "The Corruption Chronicles" by Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch. As the title indicates, it is an annotated chronicle going back to Bill Jeff and Hil Clinton, of the crap that is going on in the beltway--it lists W's and Tricky Dicky's foibles also, as well as the Big O's, so its kinda non-partisan-ish.

Highly recommended for all high school civics classes,... oh wait they don't have those any more.
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Feb 25, 2013
 
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Good to hear from you again MW. I recall you are a reader. FYI--A good book on this topic is "The Corruption Chronicles" by Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch. As the title indicates, it is an annotated chronicle going back to Bill Jeff and Hil Clinton, of the crap that is going on in the beltway--it lists W's and Tricky Dicky's foibles also, as well as the Big O's, so its kinda non-partisan-ish.
Highly recommended for all high school civics classes,... oh wait they don't have those any more.
Thanks.

I was taking a bit of a leave-of-absence because most of the threads had devolved into racial gutter-sniping which didn't offer any substance to the conversation.

I read and enjoyed Fitton's book as soon as it was released. If you're looking for some other interesting titles you might try "The Blueprint" by Ken Blackwell or "The American Ideology" by Brian Vanyo. One other is from four years ago titled "Comeback America" by David Walker who was the former Comptroller General of the U.S. Amazon offers descriptions of all of these as well as readers' reviews if you want to get the gist of each book before purchasing.
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Feb 25, 2013
 
Where does it end wrote:
Governments, all governments, local, conty, state, federal, school districts, fire districts, agencies, are addicted to spending.
Non of them know how to quit spending or how to cut a budget.
They are not good stewards our money. They fear the truth.
How sad, what a monster we have allowed to happen.
Where does it end?
It ends at the polls when we replace every one of them. It's easy to understand how these jerks do what they do,especially if they're an incumbent. In the second term they become so damn enamored with themselves because the people re-elected them,so the people must be happy with how they are destroying our country. Vote them out and maybe things will improve.
need a taxpayer march

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Feb 25, 2013
 
We need a million person taxpayer march on Washington DC.

Seriously.
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Feb 25, 2013
 
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Thanks.
I was taking a bit of a leave-of-absence because most of the threads had devolved into racial gutter-sniping which didn't offer any substance to the conversation.
I read and enjoyed Fitton's book as soon as it was released. If you're looking for some other interesting titles you might try "The Blueprint" by Ken Blackwell or "The American Ideology" by Brian Vanyo. One other is from four years ago titled "Comeback America" by David Walker who was the former Comptroller General of the U.S. Amazon offers descriptions of all of these as well as readers' reviews if you want to get the gist of each book before purchasing.
Thanks. Agreed re the sniping, but I'm happy that people can speak freely. I work in the city and interact with a fair number of African Americans in my job and let me tell you, their community really muzzles any dissent in the ranks. Tow the party line or else. Even most of the reverends that have to console the mammas when they bury their kids tow the line.

A FLOMO black couple that I know are completely exasperated but don't say a word amongst their co-racials. They moved to FLOMO to escape the city schools and now their new schools are worse than the old ones. In the city they could have sent the kids to one of the academies. Now they are stuck in an underwater mortgage with their kids going to school with the very thugs they sought to escape.
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Feb 25, 2013
 
Only in america, do we spend 5x more, per capita, to incarcerate someone in prison, than we do on a child to educate them.
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Feb 25, 2013
 
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Only in america, do we spend 5x more, per capita, to incarcerate someone in prison, than we do on a child to educate them.
Our Constitution never had anything in it to nationally provide for education. That task was supposed to reside at the state and local level. Since the Department of Education was launched in Jimmy Carter's administration, per pupil spending on students in this country has increased by a factor of 4, allowing for inflation, but test scores and dropout rates have not improved at all. And, Laura Bush's "No Child Left Behind" has had no appreciable effect. So I don't think that throwing more money at education is the answer. Maybe someone can explain where I'm going wrong.
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Feb 26, 2013
 
Where does it end wrote:
Governments, all governments, local, conty, state, federal, school districts, fire districts, agencies, are addicted to spending.
Non of them know how to quit spending or how to cut a budget.
They are not good stewards our money. They fear the truth.
How sad, what a monster we have allowed to happen.
Where does it end?
Exactly, you get the government you deserve. I wish more citizens (residents) would realize this fact. Government does not encourage citizen participation. I can speak on this topic that your comment suggested. Thank you for your comment!
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Feb 26, 2013
 
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We're already getting a sneak preview of where it will end -- it's called Greece.
An important quote of Thomas Jefferson, especially alarming given the stated goals of the current administration to redistribute wealth: "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Marcus, I am pleased to read you quote from Thomas Jefferson. The truth is that most citizen let things happen and depend on the government. I submiited a comment today. I wish I could ask the citizen to begin making a difference in YOUR government. Thank you for your comment. John
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Feb 26, 2013
 
Where does it end wrote:
Those congressional cowards are trying to scare us into believing that the Sequester cuts are the end of civilization. The amount to less than 2% of the current spending levels. That amount to about $20 for every $1000 of spending. About the same amount they just raised your Social Security withdrawal.
At what point to we make them pay, and vote them out of office. They are cowards.
Elmmurst, Il: Many years ago I attended a class offered by Univ of Missouri throught he political science department. The topic was called " The Ultimate Hurt Theory". The Professor spoke on how to get citizens to react by using tactics to scare the community or "hurt" the community. If the City, State or Federal government does not get "this" then there will be cuts to POLICE SERVICES; STREET LIGHTING; AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS; FBI; OR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT! Is this real, in some cases "yes" but as stewards elected into office, I have not heard of those stedards (elected officials) willing to cut their salaries or benefits. Us vs them is not what makes the UNITED STATES! When our Missouri governor stated that 163 jobs will be cut, in my opinion was awful but Governor Nixon did NOT say " I will cut the electorate salaries to save those 163 families from a terrible life change. How many of the elcted officials would be willing to serve US with NO pay? John
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We need a million person taxpayer march on Washington DC.
Seriously.
Elmhurst, Never going to happen. Last night at the Florissant City council meeting only a handful of people attend. I hope the broadcast of the Council meetings has more viewers than attendees. If you get a chance go to the City of Florissant site and watch the meeting. John
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Feb 26, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Thanks. Agreed re the sniping, but I'm happy that people can speak freely. I work in the city and interact with a fair number of African Americans in my job and let me tell you, their community really muzzles any dissent in the ranks. Tow the party line or else. Even most of the reverends that have to console the mammas when they bury their kids tow the line.
A FLOMO black couple that I know are completely exasperated but don't say a word amongst their co-racials. They moved to FLOMO to escape the city schools and now their new schools are worse than the old ones. In the city they could have sent the kids to one of the academies. Now they are stuck in an underwater mortgage with their kids going to school with the very thugs they sought to escape.
most of the blacks that came here from north city should have never gotten mortgage's to begin with.where did the thugs come from, they bought them with them. they are the reason our property values are down.bussing and sec. 8 housing are ruining this city,but who use's these? the north city blacks,nothing good will ever come out of north city. been in florissant long enough to see what the problem really is.never gonna see a change until all the blacks lose their homes and leave, then we will be left with a bunch of empty houses with no copper and the tax payers will end up paying to clean up their mess.
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Feb 26, 2013
 
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Exactly, you get the government you deserve. I wish more citizens (residents) would realize this fact. Government does not encourage citizen participation. I can speak on this topic that your comment suggested. Thank you for your comment!
Thanks John, you get it. I wish we could motivate and activate more people. They all have their heads buried in the lies, deceit and entitlements, they are afraid.
We need to put fear aside and take back what is ours, but, it takes people, voters, and concerned activists to fight this evil that is bringing this country down. This stripping of our liberties is choking us out.
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Feb 26, 2013
 
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Marcus, I am pleased to read you quote from Thomas Jefferson. The truth is that most citizen let things happen and depend on the government. I submiited a comment today. I wish I could ask the citizen to begin making a difference in YOUR government. Thank you for your comment. John
I'm an independent (leaning toward the libertarians and the constitutionalists) so I don't have a lot of praise for the democratic party or the republican party. I realize that both parties share the blame for the economic mess we're in but I ask all of you die-hard democrats to consider what's happened to your party. John Kennedy's inauguration speech famously told the people to ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country. Now look at how the progressives (including Ted Kennedy) have hijacked your party and are trying to make us a socialist entitlement society where we demand that the government does everything for us from cradle to grave.
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I'm an independent (leaning toward the libertarians and the constitutionalists) so I don't have a lot of praise for the democratic party or the republican party. I realize that both parties share the blame for the economic mess we're in but I ask all of you die-hard democrats to consider what's happened to your party. John Kennedy's inauguration speech famously told the people to ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country. Now look at how the progressives (including Ted Kennedy) have hijacked your party and are trying to make us a socialist entitlement society where we demand that the government does everything for us from cradle to grave.
But given the present level of public debt and annual deficits, how do they think that they can finance this socialist utopia?

I understand that presently the gov't is increasing the money supply, which is somewhat okay during deflationary times as was the last few years, but what's their trick going to be going forward? There's not enough potentially collectable tax cash out there to cover what is in the works.

I know that Obama's job 1 was to get healthcare for the base, but does anyone actually think that the scheme to pay for it will work? Employers are already countering with 29s which are legions of previously 40 hour per week folks who will be cut to 29 hours, and now will have to pay their own premiums or face penalties, is that what they wanted? Is the base going to be happy with 29 hr per week jobs and mandatory health care premiums paid from their pocket?

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