Enforce the lawn/yard rules
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#22 May 23, 2013
Mark B wrote:
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As I stated, I understand that there are challenges. I don’t believe at this time the courts are willing to put people in lock up (at additional cost to taxpayers) when they are currently over filled and releasing more severe violators back to the general public. I know a plan can be put in place. We did it at the Hazelwood school district. The first public school district in the state mandating community service hours in order to graduate, regardless. The first step, is to assemble a committee (team) with well rounded expertise, knowledge and experience. Present this team with one singular charge. It seems to me,“getting the grass cut”, or “property exterior maintenance items corrected”, or “charging certain types of offenders a payment reimbursement option of community service” is a whole lot easier to plan for then how to put a man on the Moon. I realize these are two extremely different goals, but the fact still remains, everything needs to be considered, and an enforceable plan be put in place. A plan would require an assessment, accountability, management and a full review. This is achievable.
I say just leave the community service to those that are inclined to voluntarily do it and keep fining the code violators. If they don't show up to court, issue a warrant. If they don't pay their fine, put interest on it and when it adds up to enough put a lien against the property. If there is a hardship like old age, infirmity, leave it up to the judge to grant a mulligan and connect the homeowner with one of the volunteer groups.

Focus on the suspected drug houses and apartments and get a "tank" or two and park them around and take some video of the comings and goings. Pharma sales folks and their customers don't like having their pictures taken.
GAD

Saint Peters, MO

#23 May 23, 2013
As near as I can tell, you good people in FloMo are spinning your wheels. That wonderful city of about ten years past, and many decades beyond that, has gone away and will never return. It started to hit the skids immediately after Jim Eagan died. He was Mister Florissant. He would never have stood for what is happening in this day. He made sure there was an unwritten rule that all the cops knew about, profiling traffic stops,and it kept the lid on. Even if you were a black resident of Flo,if you were driving on Flo streets in the dead of night,good chance you would get stopped,just to check you out,so what. I knew many a white guy who also got stopped as well,so what,it kept any potential bad guys on their toes. Eagan made it a daily routine of driving the city streets just about every day of the week. If he saw any violation he was immediately on his radio to the appropriate dept. The cops,the health dept,the street dept and he had them respond right then,not tomorrow or next week,but now. That's why during his era Florissant was to die for,that's why we had fifty thou plus in population, and of that number, forty nine thou nine hundred and ninety nine were decent caring law abiding citizens who loved their city,that is something you'll never see again. It's a damn shame it happened, but once on the road down hill it cant be stopped if you don't have any brakes,and it seems your govt has no brakes,or balls either. Take care all. Later.
Gee

Florissant, MO

#24 May 24, 2013
Looks like the whimper and whine club is working overtime!
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#25 May 24, 2013
GAD wrote:
As near as I can tell, you good people in FloMo are spinning your wheels. That wonderful city of about ten years past, and many decades beyond that, has gone away and will never return. It started to hit the skids immediately after Jim Eagan died. He was Mister Florissant. He would never have stood for what is happening in this day. He made sure there was an unwritten rule that all the cops knew about, profiling traffic stops,and it kept the lid on. Even if you were a black resident of Flo,if you were driving on Flo streets in the dead of night,good chance you would get stopped,just to check you out,so what. I knew many a white guy who also got stopped as well,so what,it kept any potential bad guys on their toes. Eagan made it a daily routine of driving the city streets just about every day of the week. If he saw any violation he was immediately on his radio to the appropriate dept. The cops,the health dept,the street dept and he had them respond right then,not tomorrow or next week,but now. That's why during his era Florissant was to die for,that's why we had fifty thou plus in population, and of that number, forty nine thou nine hundred and ninety nine were decent caring law abiding citizens who loved their city,that is something you'll never see again. It's a damn shame it happened, but once on the road down hill it cant be stopped if you don't have any brakes,and it seems your govt has no brakes,or balls either. Take care all. Later.
been here when eagan was mayor and what you are saying is so very true.
Pale Irishman

Wentzville, MO

#26 May 24, 2013
GAD wrote:
As near as I can tell, you good people in FloMo are spinning your wheels. That wonderful city of about ten years past, and many decades beyond that, has gone away and will never return. It started to hit the skids immediately after Jim Eagan died. He was Mister Florissant. He would never have stood for what is happening in this day. He made sure there was an unwritten rule that all the cops knew about, profiling traffic stops,and it kept the lid on. Even if you were a black resident of Flo,if you were driving on Flo streets in the dead of night,good chance you would get stopped,just to check you out,so what. I knew many a white guy who also got stopped as well,so what,it kept any potential bad guys on their toes. Eagan made it a daily routine of driving the city streets just about every day of the week. If he saw any violation he was immediately on his radio to the appropriate dept. The cops,the health dept,the street dept and he had them respond right then,not tomorrow or next week,but now. That's why during his era Florissant was to die for,that's why we had fifty thou plus in population, and of that number, forty nine thou nine hundred and ninety nine were decent caring law abiding citizens who loved their city,that is something you'll never see again. It's a damn shame it happened, but once on the road down hill it cant be stopped if you don't have any brakes,and it seems your govt has no brakes,or balls either. Take care all. Later.
Me and many of my neighbors probably bailed about the same time you did GAD. Saw the writing on the wall when Jim died and got the most I could have hoped for when we sold. Damn shame whats happened to that place. Reminds me a little of Spanish Lake as it was on the skids. Just a shame really.
imsure

Florissant, MO

#27 May 24, 2013
Pale Irishman wrote:
<quoted text>Me and many of my neighbors probably bailed about the same time you did GAD. Saw the writing on the wall when Jim died and got the most I could have hoped for when we sold. Damn shame whats happened to that place. Reminds me a little of Spanish Lake as it was on the skids. Just a shame really.
Boy you are so smart. I sure wish I was more like you. Such a smart man. So sorry the city lost such a good man. Now if you feel better [email protected] would you please move to the Wantsville forum pigass licker..
Pale Irishman

Wentzville, MO

#28 May 24, 2013
imsure wrote:
<quoted text>Boy you are so smart. I sure wish I was more like you. Such a smart man. So sorry the city lost such a good man. Now if you feel better [email protected] would you please move to the Wantsville forum pigass licker..
I may be "[email protected]" and a "pigass licker" in your words. However, I won't lower myself or resort to name calling just to draw you into a realistic discussion about declining areas within St. Louis County. It's obvious that you've become bitter and discontented about your situation. That too, is a real shame. So thanks for the name calling. It reveals much about your level of condescension and just how thin skinned you are.
CSM1

Saint Peters, MO

#29 May 25, 2013
It appears that there are still so many folks out and about who refuse to recognize a problem that is eating their lunch. Maybe if we turn our backs it will just go away,and god forbid anyone should point out the problem in an attempt to enlighten or advise,for this only serves to ruffle their feathers. No one is saying it's the residents fault that the low life's have moved in and are hell bent on destruction,physical and other wise. I suppose you who are taking offense just can't see the trees. It's the same when you bring up a discussion with a dyed in the wool Democrat about their president, and how he too is bringing destruction of a massive scale to our country. They don't want to hear about their guy in spite of the fact you only bring up the obvious. You point out the fact that he has the most corupt administration ever,ego big as all outdoors,has no clue how to administer the business of state,tell them he is nothing more than a closet Hitler and they get all bent. It's simply that they realize they made a colossal mistake and just can't bring themselves to admit it. It's the same with what is going on in north county. The residents realize that they let the nose in a few years back, and now have the whole damn camel in the tent,and it's too late to get it out. They realize they screwed the moose a while back when they should have been taking action to either stop the fall or get the hell out of Dodge. No one is saying you're bad people,only pointing to the obvious in light of the fact you don't seem to want to recognize it. The people on this Topix thing are just trying to turn the light on as to what is going down in their town, and let you know,it ain't getting better. I'm sure all the residents can see whats going on,and truth be known,many are right now devising a plan to get out. I wish you luck,and hang on to those happy memories of what once was.
Who Dat

Saint Louis, MO

#30 May 25, 2013
Currently the health department is cutting about 140 lawns of homes that are empty. They do what they can but there is only a few guys to cut grass.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#31 May 25, 2013
Who Dat wrote:
Currently the health department is cutting about 140 lawns of homes that are empty. They do what they can but there is only a few guys to cut grass.
i assume the banks own these homes, let them pay someone to cut the grass. after all they are the ones who made the bad loans to people who shouldn't have got the loans in the first place. that's why the city is in the shape it is. hold the banks accountable , and if they don't pay put a lean on the property and sell.
Dr Phil

Florissant, MO

#33 May 27, 2013
CSM1 wrote:
The residents realize that they let the nose in a few years back, and now have the whole damn camel in the tent,and it's too late to get it out. They realize they screwed the moose a while back when they should have been taking action to either stop the fall or get the hell out of Dodge.
what is this fixation republicans have with beastiality?
Dr Joyce

Wentzville, MO

#34 May 27, 2013
Dr Phil wrote:
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what is this fixation republicans have with beastiality?
seems almost as perplexing as the affinity that democraps have for raping and pillaging the life savings of our children and grandchildren.
City workers

Florissant, MO

#35 May 28, 2013
hardhead wrote:
<quoted text> i assume the banks own these homes, let them pay someone to cut the grass. after all they are the ones who made the bad loans to people who shouldn't have got the loans in the first place. that's why the city is in the shape it is. hold the banks accountable , and if they don't pay put a lean on the property and sell.
cut the grass at those kind of homes and the banks/loan companies reimburse the city for expenses and pay overtime for the employees.
I know this for a fact because I work for a bank that pays for that sort of thing, in Florissant and other communities. So the city isn't out any money and the employees earn extra money that hopefully helps them out a little.

FYI, not all the empty homes were foreclosed on, some are due to the owner dying and the house being in probate. Some are due to a senior being placed in a nursing facility and there is no one legally able to take action for the property and other legitimate reasons.

No one can control the weather and that has had a big affect on getting things done for all of us.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#36 May 28, 2013
so the city is in the lawn cutting business? that great that the city employees can make some extra money, but there is way to many homes with people living in them with junk piled up all around. trash, firewood piled directly on the ground, junk car parts laying around. these kinds of things draw rats and that has been a big problem in the city as of late. what about all the over grown trees, planting them treees between the side walks and the street was really a stupid idea.
The Central Scrutinizer

Saint Louis, MO

#37 May 28, 2013
City workers wrote:
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FYI, not all the empty homes were foreclosed on, some are due to the owner dying and the house being in probate. Some are due to a senior being placed in a nursing facility and there is no one legally able to take action for the property and other legitimate reasons.
No one can control the weather and that has had a big affect on getting things done for all of us.
I also know for a fact that a good percentage of properties that are habitual violators do NOT keep up with their home maintenance because..........they are LAZY BUMS. this is something the city used to take very serious and were pretty effective at making people comply. Now it seems like the under the current regime they are as lazy as the bums in said houses.

It's not the weather - oh, unless the wet weather makes it too hard for city inspectors to get out of their vehicle and do a proper inspection.
Maybe people

Florissant, MO

#38 May 28, 2013
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
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I also know for a fact that a good percentage of properties that are habitual violators do NOT keep up with their home maintenance because..........they are LAZY BUMS. this is something the city used to take very serious and were pretty effective at making people comply. Now it seems like the under the current regime they are as lazy as the bums in said houses.
It's not the weather - oh, unless the wet weather makes it too hard for city inspectors to get out of their vehicle and do a proper inspection.
should learn the way the law works when it comes to the topic being discussed before they start criticizing.Florissant lost a lawsuit several years ago that would have kept apartments and houses from being bought by HUD and other agencies so they could qualify for being subsidized.

Once that happened, any problems with those properties could not be handled the same manner the city did before the lawsuit was lost. Now the city has to give at least three notices before it can take action against the property owner (not always the person living in the house). Florissant cannot just tell someone to clean up their property if that property is owned by HUD or has been bought with HUD money. It's much more complicated than that, everything has to go through all the various courts involved in the process...city, county, state, federal. At any level the lawsuit (which is what is needed) can be dismissed, delayed, moved on to a different jurisdiction, etc.

That takes a lot of time and a lot of taxpayer's money.
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#39 May 28, 2013
That takes a lot of time and a lot of taxpayer's money.

Solution: figure out those costs and add them to the fines.
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#40 May 28, 2013
GAD wrote:
As near as I can tell, you good people in FloMo are spinning your wheels. That wonderful city of about ten years past, and many decades beyond that, has gone away and will never return.
I disagree. Its got location. Eventually, it will be rejuvenated. Everything is cyclical. Just look at areas of the city like Soulard and the Central West End.

This will take time, probably 25 years. Termites move on once the juicy wood is gone. Then new sprouts fill pop up and things will get better.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#41 May 28, 2013
have the city start cleaning up these properties and put a lean on said property.
Maybe people

Florissant, MO

#42 May 28, 2013
TTU wrote:
That takes a lot of time and a lot of taxpayer's money.
Solution: figure out those costs and add them to the fines.
In reality it takes years and the property sits vacant because it is under the jurisdiction of whatever court the lawsuit is filed in. Almost every civil circuit court in MO. has a backlog of two years or more relating to such cases.

Our bank has been trying to get property released in Flo and other communities for over five years so it can be rehabbed and sold. In HUD and other such situations it can drag on and on and on. That even applies to eviction of the people living in the house. It takes at least a year for regular foreclosures and an average of four years for any public financed housing.

So when you see property such as described, you can't always blame city government for not having it taken care of. If it falls under federal guidelines it becomes a legal quagmire that costs taxpayers thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands) of dollars and years and years to settle.

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