Overland Officer Charged in Man's Death

Overland Officer Charged in Man's Death

There are 85 comments on the Fox2Now story from Mar 30, 2010, titled Overland Officer Charged in Man's Death. In it, Fox2Now reports that:

There are now charges against a 34-year-old Overland police officer. Prosecutors say he pushed a man down the stairs of his home.

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observer

Saint Louis, MO

#66 Apr 16, 2010
human too wrote:
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If the policeman did not intend for Kenny to die. Why did he push him down 12 steps and then close the back door and all 3 officers leave the scene? when he came back Overland took the video tape and erase it all?
WHY?
Because they are evil
America

Saint Louis, MO

#67 Jul 19, 2010
Wondering wrote:
What I want to know is why the sgt. That hid the video tape & denied knowing anything about the call even tho he was on duty at the time isn't suspended w/the rest? Could it be because his father in law & wife work there too? Favortism anyone?
Yes, Favortism 100%
Video Taped

Saint Louis, MO

#68 Jul 26, 2010
It was all video taped and it was lost at Overland Police station and ended up BLANK after they admitted it all!!!

Time will tell.

FYI... Everyone has a troubled life!
Life

Saint Louis, MO

#69 Jul 30, 2010
A man had a car accident and killed one person (A real accident) He got 30yrs to life in jail.

Will all 3 Police get the same?
For murder.

They are hiding everything they can right now.
JMH

United States

#70 Jul 30, 2010
The Overland cop got off with only 5 years probation and the loss of his job. He didn't even have to appear to his first court date, I know I was following it and was going to be there. He made the deal before his first court appearance. A terrible injustice but I knew this was going to happen by the way Robert McCulloch was talking on the news almost on behalf of the police officers involved. I live in Overland and they are nothing but a rogue police department. I hope the family wins a lawsuit against them for the life they have cost this family.
JMH

United States

#71 Jul 31, 2010
CoppersEx1236 wrote:
JMH ~ Thank you for your kind words; they're appreciated more than you know. Yes, he was the Prosecutor in charge, but believe it or not it was a FEMALE Prosecuting Attorney who refused to prosecute my attempted rape case. Can you believe another WOMAN did me that way? Talk about injustice!
And I'm sorry for what happened to your children; the Police are supposed to use restraint when dealing with kids and not Taser them -- unless there's absolutely no other way to resolve the situation. I don't know how old your children are, but if they were under 18 when it happened, you've got a right to file a complaint.
Anytime you need to file a complaint against someone at the Police Department, call the Missouri State Highway Patrol. They're the ones who investigate the other Police Departments when cops and departments go sideways.
And remember this, anytime the cops are at your house, you have the RIGHT to ask for a Supervisor to come to the scene -- don't hesitate to ask for one if you feel things shifting on you. Understand me? Take care, my friend.
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Thank you for even caring enough to offer your advice, I did try to call the Missouri Highway Patrol, they directed me to the FBI, who in turn got back with me and said there was nothing they could do. The problem with requesting a supervisor that night they came in my house was one, A supervisor was one of them at my house and was part of the whole incident and two, I wasn't at my residence to request one because they were stalling me at the police station, knowing I was up there bonding my husband out. They had arrested my husband to get him out of the way so they could come back to the house and bust my doors down and beat my kids. I'm telling you this whole police department is as rogue as it gets. We are in the process of seeking legal advice. I personally would like to sell my house and move and never look back.
CoppersEx1236

Old Monroe, MO

#72 Jul 31, 2010
JMH wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you for even caring enough to offer your advice, I did try to call the Missouri Highway Patrol, they directed me to the FBI, who in turn got back with me and said there was nothing they could do. The problem with requesting a supervisor that night they came in my house was one, A supervisor was one of them at my house and was part of the whole incident and two, I wasn't at my residence to request one because they were stalling me at the police station, knowing I was up there bonding my husband out. They had arrested my husband to get him out of the way so they could come back to the house and bust my doors down and beat my kids. I'm telling you this whole police department is as rogue as it gets. We are in the process of seeking legal advice. I personally would like to sell my house and move and never look back.
I wish I could offer you some kind of explanation for what happened to you and your family, but I can't. I wish there was some plausible reason why things went down the way they did that night, but there isn't one. Some cops and departments just consistently get it all wrong. When things go THAT sideways on you, sometimes the best you can hope for is to live through it, and be around to fight another day.

As much as Overland has grown, and as much business as it's attracted in the past several years, the Overland PD THINKS they're of the same caliber as some of the wealthier jurisdictions in the metro area. Sadly, they're wrong again. Overland is nothing more than a part of North County that still believes in doing things the hard way ~ and in "sending messages" to the community by making "examples" of people when they can. The old fashioned "North County Butt-Whoopin" is alive and well in North County, and that includes Overland.

They WANT to be seen as a nice, affluent Department, set up to stroke the wealthy in their community. They've got a long way to go before getting anywhere near that appearance. For one thing, they'll have to stop populating the department with North County THUGS. Right now, it's a little like hiring Mob enforcers to baby-sit for you, then being surprised when the kiddies wind up missing. Some things are just a little too predictable.

Good luck with your lawsuit ~ I'd like to see someone give the Overland PD a little taste of religion about their behavior. With any luck, that someone will be you.

CoppersEx1236
To CoppersEx1236

Saint Louis, MO

#73 Aug 1, 2010
If they did it to you. You WOULD HAVE A TOTAL DIFFERANT ATTITUDET!!! You are giving Police the right to enter a house without a warrent and kill and leave without calling for help. THATS MURDER!

This sounds like we are Russia or China or a middle east country!

Bottom line. If it was your house and family involved you wouldnt be on here defending the police involved!

You must be a police officer. Are you John Doe I or II?
To CoppersEx1236

Saint Louis, MO

#74 Aug 1, 2010
That was a mistake. it wan not ment to CoppersEx1236.
It was ment to everyone defending the 3 Overland Police. NOT ALL OF OVERLAND POLICE.

Mistake.
Scene

Saint Louis, MO

#75 Aug 5, 2010
If the victim did that macho male thing of pushing the Officer's shoulder in the middle of a very heated argument and then just out of instinct, the Officer pushed back.
Why would a (VCR) Video tape of it all go missing in Overland Police Station for 3 day's and then end up blank. Anyone can remove a (VCR)tape in a video tape and replace it with a blank one.

Its all being covered up right now as we speak. Its amazing. A Police Man can kill and walk away with no problem's. A Police Officer is hi as a Judge or a Government Official. Hell, they are the law!
This is a fact. Just wait and see. Keep your eye on this.
DecisionsDecisions wrote:
I was wondering who all was at the scene where this poor man was pushed and fell down the stairs? I wasn't there, were you? How do you know what happened? Perhaps the victim did that macho male thing of pushing the Officer's shoulder in the middle of a very heated argument and then just out of instinct, the Officer pushed back. Maybe, maybe not.*I* don't know. That's for our peers in a jury to decide.
It all sounds like MANY poor decisions were made all the way through, including by the victim. HOWEVER, once the "accident" occurred, help should have been given. That's the real disappointing aspect of this situation. But again, we don't know what really happened and why all these decisions were made. I can only pray that both the victim's and Officer's families are guided and comforted through this tragedy.
Screen shot

Saint Louis, MO

#76 Aug 16, 2010
All these comments have been screen shot and saved.

Keep your eyes on all of this.
FACT

Saint Louis, MO

#77 Aug 16, 2010
Sorry buddy,.(By the way, it was only three steps)
WRONG!!! It was 14 steps!!! THATS A FACT!!

Observer, You need to get your Troubled lifes FACTS RIGHT!!!
FACT

Saint Louis, MO

#78 Aug 16, 2010
observer wrote:
I knew Kenny. Troubled life, troubled death. But I hope the family wins in court because difficult as Kenny could be, the police in this situation were worse. I hope the officer is charged and convicted with involuntary manslaughter.(If he wasn't a cop, he'd be charged with murder - so he's getting off easy. But I believe the fact that he was doing his job and dealing with a difficult person is a mitigating circumstance. I also believe Kenny bears responsibility for having created the situation.) However, proof of police guilt/liability in this case is that they LEFT THE SCENE with him lying there. So wrong. I'm sure they didn't intend to kill him - but their actions resulted in his injury and they didn't call for help. Unforgivable and very revealing. They probably did erase the tape, though I have no way of knowing this for sure. Too bad Joe didn't look at it (or make a copy) before he innocently handed it over to the police.(By the way, it was only three steps, not a "flight of stairs" - but his injury was devastating and resulted in his death none the less.) Sincere condolences to Kenny's family, who loved their imperfect brother/uncle.
Sorry buddy,.(By the way, it was only three steps)
WRONG!!! It was 14 steps!!! THATS A FACT!!
Kennys Troubled life was he was 100% Disabeled. Not just a observer as you are. I understand you are behind kenneth but, you are ripping on him as wall. Who on this earth do you know who is perfict? Thats what I thought.
What happened to Kenneth I wish on no one! Be safe everyone.

Observer, You need to get your Troubled lifes FACTS RIGHT!!!
Observer

Saint Louis, MO

#80 Aug 17, 2010
FACT wrote:
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Sorry buddy,.(By the way, it was only three steps)
WRONG!!! It was 14 steps!!! THATS A FACT!!
Kennys Troubled life was he was 100% Disabeled. Not just a observer as you are. I understand you are behind kenneth but, you are ripping on him as wall. Who on this earth do you know who is perfict? Thats what I thought.
What happened to Kenneth I wish on no one! Be safe everyone.
Observer, You need to get your Troubled lifes FACTS RIGHT!!!
Of course no one deserves what happened to Kenny and I don't believe I ever said that. We are all imperfect. On the other hand sometimes the life we lead puts us into situations that are more likely to have bad outcomes - and Ihave to say that I am not surprised that Kenny didn't die in his sleep at age 80.

About the steps - I wrote that post back in March or April before the news articles clarified which steps and how many.(The photo accompanying the articles showed the outside of the building with three steps) I asked for more information about that and other things in my postings and I finally saw in print that it was an interior, much longer staircase.(But even if it was only three steps, a head injury can cause death and the the policeman was wrong and I would love to see him serve time - if only for leaving the scene and lying about everything.) Obviously more steps means more culpability because the chance of serious injury is so much greater.

I'm not sure in what way Kenny was 100% disabled - I knew him long
enough to know he had "issues" but what they were was never clear -suffice it to say they made him very difficult to deal with. But I'm not going to share my experiences in this venue after his death for the sake of winning an "argument".
Better Observer

Saint Louis, MO

#81 Aug 21, 2010
Sounds to me like you are John Doe I or II

Well if you not sure in what way Kenny was 100% disabled. There is no way you knew him long
enough to know he had "issues"!
FYI... This is not a argument.

When this is all said and done I will tell you who I am. THAT'S A FACT!!!

I do not wish what Kenny went through to anyone. Not even the So they say, Police officer who did it or to the John Doe I or II -- all 3 left the scene.

Be safe everyone.
Observer

Saint Louis, MO

#82 Aug 22, 2010
Better Observer wrote:
Sounds to me like you are John Doe I or II
Well if you not sure in what way Kenny was 100% disabled. There is no way you knew him long
enough to know he had "issues"!
FYI... This is not a argument.
When this is all said and done I will tell you who I am. THAT'S A FACT!!!
I do not wish what Kenny went through to anyone. Not even the So they say, Police officer who did it or to the John Doe I or II -- all 3 left the scene.
Be safe everyone.
For the sake of clarity, all of my comments have been under the name "Observer".(I am not John Doe I or II.) I am glad this is not an argument - from the tone of your earlier reply I thought it might be. Also, I do not plan to reveal my identity.

I knew Kenny for 20 years - during that time he had no diagnosable illness, physical or mental, unless it was "doesn't play well with others." I use the term "issues" to cover a myriad of things I don't want to say about who has died - and which don't pertain to or excuse the circumstances of his death.

I am truly sorry about what happened to Kenny. It was totally inexcusable and very sad. In general I hold the police in very low opinion, and this event only confirmed that opinion. However, I am sure there are good ones out there - and I'm not sure who we would call in an emergency if we had no police.

Unfortunately, we are all safer if we keep our interactions with the police to a minimum - though I realize that is not always an option.
Fact

Saint Louis, MO

#83 Sep 27, 2010
Observer wrote:
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For the sake of clarity, all of my comments have been under the name "Observer".(I am not John Doe I or II.) I am glad this is not an argument - from the tone of your earlier reply I thought it might be. Also, I do not plan to reveal my identity.
I knew Kenny for 20 years - during that time he had no diagnosable illness, physical or mental, unless it was "doesn't play well with others." I use the term "issues" to cover a myriad of things I don't want to say about who has died - and which don't pertain to or excuse the circumstances of his death.
I am truly sorry about what happened to Kenny. It was totally inexcusable and very sad. In general I hold the police in very low opinion, and this event only confirmed that opinion. However, I am sure there are good ones out there - and I'm not sure who we would call in an emergency if we had no police.
Unfortunately, we are all safer if we keep our interactions with the police to a minimum - though I realize that is not always an option.
If you do not plan to reveal your identity, That alone describes who and what you are.
The end.
CoppersEx1236

O Fallon, MO

#84 Sep 28, 2010
Fact wrote:
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If you do not plan to reveal your identity, That alone describes who and what you are.
The end.
That's almost the most childish argument I've seen in a while ~ and you top it off by stating "The end" ~ as if you alone control the discussions here.

Sadly, you're arguing about who knew Kenny better, and Kenny's gone; he can't come here to defend himself against what's being said ~ by anybody. You're really putting on a pathetic display for someone who claims to be Kenny's friend.

Try to remember - and this is directed at everyone - that a man died here at the hands of the Police. Hopefully ~ though I'm not going to hold my breath for it ~ the truth will eventually come out and there may yet be some justice handed down in this case.

Have a little respect for the dead, and for each other - would you? This whole situation is already bad enough without spewing hatred at each other.

CoppersEx1236
Fact

Saint Louis, MO

#85 May 25, 2011
I was there. I am Kenny's Brother!
Fact

Saint Louis, MO

#86 May 25, 2011
Yes I do forgive The Officer that did it. I have to. It is what I believe. I DO NOT forgive the system. If I did not have video cameras up They (Overland) would have blamed me.

Everything the NEWS has said is wrong about all of this, Damn they cant even get his age right!

The cameras I have up now can not ever be erased!

Fact Hamilton

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